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[El Kabong]

Actually Lyle, do you not believe that a person who willingly makes an effort not to smoke or do drugs and takes caer of their body deserves the same rates as someone who does not?? I certainly think this is unfair.

Would you like to point out where I said that?

I'll explain insurance to you, there are certain perils and hazzards in insuring anyone for anything. For example people who smoke and do drugs have a hard time finding affordable LIFE Insurance as well and Life Insurance is very well regulated and available for damn near everyone the only people really fully exempt from Life Insurance coverage are people over 100 years old because at that time you have outlived your life expectancy and should be well taken care of either by your family or by (I dread the thought) the government.

As for Health Insurance you should be able to find quotes even if you do smoke or do drugs....but your rates will be substantially higher it would be no different than insuring a driver who has had numerous wrecks or tickets or even a DUI....you cannot deny them, you can always cut off their coverage but you have to have good reasons ie they didn't pay their premium or are making the exact same claims over and over again and do nothing to keep it from occuring in the future.

But yes health insurance should be available to everyone and I am not so sure that everyone shouldn't HAVE to have it as it would help make rates go down because the majority of the burden of the unpaid bills wouldn't fall on the regular everyday paying consumer....some might but not ALL of them.

[boozeboxer]

Actually Lyle, do you not believe that a person who willingly makes an effort not to smoke or do drugs and takes caer of their body deserves the same rates as someone who does not?? I certainly think this is unfair.

Would you like to point out where I said that?

I'll explain insurance to you, there are certain perils and hazzards in insuring anyone for anything. For example people who smoke and do drugs have a hard time finding affordable LIFE Insurance as well and Life Insurance is very well regulated and available for damn near everyone the only people really fully exempt from Life Insurance coverage are people over 100 years old because at that time you have outlived your life expectancy and should be well taken care of either by your family or by (I dread the thought) the government.

As for Health Insurance you should be able to find quotes even if you do smoke or do drugs....but your rates will be substantially higher it would be no different than insuring a driver who has had numerous wrecks or tickets or even a DUI....you cannot deny them, you can always cut off their coverage but you have to have good reasons ie they didn't pay their premium or are making the exact same claims over and over again and do nothing to keep it from occuring in the future.

But yes health insurance should be available to everyone and I am not so sure that everyone shouldn't HAVE to have it as it would help make rates go down because the majority of the burden of the unpaid bills wouldn't fall on the regular everyday paying consumer....some might but not ALL of them.

While I did misconstue your first thread.... I will say that unaffordable insurance is insurance denied. I do agree something should be done very quickly as the prudent citizen is the one carrying the burden. CC lyle.

[boozeboxer]

Easy Jules I was just makign a statement about your post count.

and I don't appreciate being called Boozebitch.

then stop acting like one.....

Could you expand your argument a little?

[No Contest]

I only called you that because you completely got my post wrong and tried to insinuate that I was some kind of bigot. Then you foolishly tried to discredit me by saying that I'm actually Julius Rain, that was completely out of nowhere. Or am I completely off base? If so I apologize. If I'm right , then your still a bitch in my book.

[El Kabong]

While I did misconstue your first thread.... I will say that unaffordable insurance is insurance denied. I do agree something should be done very quickly as the prudent citizen is the one carrying the burden. CC lyle.

CC returned Boozeboxer

While there is "unaffordable" insurance there are also specialty firms which can provide lower costs for certain areas, ie there are specialty firms for car insurance and then there are specialty car insurance firms which sells to "high risk" insurees, to people who have loads of tickets, people convicted of DWI's, people who have had multiple accidents, etc.

Those businesses are able to provide relatively cheap insurance #1 because everyone needs car insurance and #2 by specifying the kind of insurance they sell then they specify the kind of customer they attract and they work out the numbers and are able to afford to offer such low rates to such "high risk" clinetel

[boozeboxer]

I only called you that because you completely got my post wrong and tried to insinuate that I was some kind of bigot. Then you foolishly tried to discredit me by saying that I'm actually Julius Rain, that was completely out of nowhere. Or am I completely off base? If so I apologize. If I'm right , then your still a bitch in my book.

No I did refer to you in the J.Rain's post. HOwever I assumed that you knew that I did not have the two of you mistaken and just posted in one quote for convience. CC man. live and let live.

[No Contest]

CC back, I am misunderstood alot around here, I should use the sarcasm emote, but that kind of takes the fun out of sarcasm.

[porkypara]

I never said America was perfect.....but yeah we are a great nation, don't think I'm being too patriotic I like other countries too but there's only one country I love, and that's America baby!


Health Care is easily fixable it's just a matter of doing it....just make it like car insurance.

1. No company should be able to DENY health insurance to anyone, you should get a quote anywhere

2. Make it cheaper

3. When in a business group if anything happens to kick you out of group coverage you/your family should be made an offer to be able to buy into the coverage and stay covered.

Yes big businesses have a lot of weight in Washington but they provide jobs and pay tons of taxes and if the government is into shutting down/handicapping various businesses then yeah the businesses will use lobbyists to get what they want.

Don't even start on guns in America, England banned guns and what happened to violant crime? It went up, bravo way to think that one out....it is a RIGHT of the American Citizen to own guns and for every crime committed by a gun wielding kid there are plenty of law obiding citizens that have a gun and don't kill anyone.

American cars are big because we don't have a good railroad system and our towns and cities aren't smushed together so you can walk or ride a bike everywhere.

I'm sure if you're poor and black and in England then everything is just peachy keen....poor people have it rough EVERYWHERE.


I would rather stay in American government housing than any other poverty stricken area of the world....at least I would have my guns with me there....and if someone breaks in I have the privilege to shoot and kill them.


Well I hope you get crushed by fat Americans......you know everything in Europe is tiny, how do you live with that? And no Air Conditioning what the FUNK is up with that?!?!


And yes the UN does want to control parts of America....the Law of the Sea Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol are ways they will try to influence and control America

You did not say it was perfect,you said it was the best.Nothing you have wrote has changed my mind.

To pick up on a few of your points.If its so easy to fix your health system,Why has it not been done?

I think Violent crime is more related to the rise of drugs rather than the banning of guns.Even before they were banned they had to be locked up in a safe/gun cabnate,so they were not exactly easy to get to if you were being robbed.

Of course poor people have it rough every where but in Britan they are treated the same especially in a national emergency.Not left to rot and die.


As for the UN...your have a laugh.The smallest states of the world have signed up to this but the big old US of A feels under threat.


The best thing about America is that people like your self can be treated like shit but still be happy about it and say "I am proud to be an America".

Your government and big business must be laughing there cocks off at you gullible fools.

[El Kabong]

Well there is a lot to change....and I am not sure how fast my plan would be able to impliment

If crime in America is bad now, then wouldn't banning guns and running the risk of increasing violent crime be a bad thing? Also it's in the fucking Bill of Rights!

The smallest countries sign up for anything the UN wants to do because they don't lose much AND they can use their newfound leverage to enact rules for the United States and that's exactly what the Kyoto meetings were about and the meetings just recently in like Bali or somewhere....these countries are not economically affected as much by the implimentations of these laws or standards

Hurricane Katrina was a tough situation it was poorly handled by EVERY level of government city, state, and federal. I think you must realize that the Federal Government while well funded and HUGE is very slow to mobilize because being a bureaucracy there is a ton of red tape to go through to get everyone ready to go much less at ground zero and helping people out. I am not amazed that Hurricane Katrina got so much press because of the "poor" and the "blacks".....the same motherfucking things happened in Miami, Florida when Hurricane Andrew hit, and the blizzards in Buffalo, and Hurricane Hugo in South Carolina but I guess their failures with the general public should be overlooked and we should give the poor people the best service because obviously they pay the most taxes and contribute so much to our society.

"Any time there is a natural disaster FEMA is trotted out as an example of how well government programs work. In reality, by using taxpayer dollars to provide disaster relief and subsidized insurance, FEMA itself encourages Americans to build in disaster-prone areas and makes the rest of us pick up the tab for those risk decisions. In a well-functioning private marketplace, individuals who chose to build houses in flood plains or hurricane zones would bear the cost of the increased risk through higher insurance premiums. FEMA's activities undermine that process. Americans should not be forced to pay the cost of rebuilding oceanfront summer homes. This $4 billion-a-year agency should be abolished" - James Bovard

I haven't been treated like shit, I have had many opportunities in this great country and I think it's insane for you to make that remark.

[porkypara]

Well there is a lot to change....and I am not sure how fast my plan would be able to impliment

If crime in America is bad now, then wouldn't banning guns and running the risk of increasing violent crime be a bad thing? Also it's in the fucking Bill of Rights!

The smallest countries sign up for anything the UN wants to do because they don't lose much AND they can use their newfound leverage to enact rules for the United States and that's exactly what the Kyoto meetings were about and the meetings just recently in like Bali or somewhere....these countries are not economically affected as much by the implimentations of these laws or standards

Hurricane Katrina was a tough situation it was poorly handled by EVERY level of government city, state, and federal. I think you must realize that the Federal Government while well funded and HUGE is very slow to mobilize because being a bureaucracy there is a ton of red tape to go through to get everyone ready to go much less at ground zero and helping people out. I am not amazed that Hurricane Katrina got so much press because of the "poor" and the "blacks".....the same motherfucking things happened in Miami, Florida when Hurricane Andrew hit, and the blizzards in Buffalo, and Hurricane Hugo in South Carolina but I guess their failures with the general public should be overlooked and we should give the poor people the best service because obviously they pay the most taxes and contribute so much to our society.

"Any time there is a natural disaster FEMA is trotted out as an example of how well government programs work. In reality, by using taxpayer dollars to provide disaster relief and subsidized insurance, FEMA itself encourages Americans to build in disaster-prone areas and makes the rest of us pick up the tab for those risk decisions. In a well-functioning private marketplace, individuals who chose to build houses in flood plains or hurricane zones would bear the cost of the increased risk through higher insurance premiums. FEMA's activities undermine that process. Americans should not be forced to pay the cost of rebuilding oceanfront summer homes. This $4 billion-a-year agency should be abolished" - James Bovard

I haven't been treated like shit, I have had many opportunities in this great country and I think it's insane for you to make that remark.

Dont you think its a bit of a sad reflection of where you live that you think you need guns that a lot of armys around the world would be jealous of to feel safe in your own home?

Is that an example of the best there is.I think not.

You got to bed with an M-16 surounded by land mines to feel safe.I just have a cup of hot chocolate to sort me out for the night.

But you get the point I am making.

[boozeboxer]

Kyoto is a fuckign scam just to get the United States on the hook. Then, they have the nerve not to make China and INdia accountable for pollution?? (I believe that is correct). That is insane.

[El Kabong]

No we don't NEED guns we have the right to own them, it doesn't mean we're forced to own guns, we have a choice to make about them, I am happy we are afforded that choice.....what choice do you have?


I live in a very safe city, you talk about America like it's the fucking Demilitarized Zone when not every city in America is like Detroit

[boozeboxer]

Everyone talks about Detroit like it is a bad day in Lebanon. However parts are quite nice.......like all cities I suppose. Some jsut have bigger bad parts....

[El Kabong]

I would rather stay in the worst parts of America than anywhere in England






At least I can have my gun in America

[boozeboxer]

Gotta disagree with you there mate. England I am sure has nice nice places. THe people seem really friendly. They have good domestic fights. There beer is good. Why not?