B.J. Penn v. Renzo Gracie? Why?

[WHYHELLO]

when did BJ fight a HW? I know Silva fought Mark Hunt (HW) and did well. Penn has only been fighting in Rumble at the Rock. I think his last opponent was Rodrigo Gracie. Did I miss one? Who did he fight?Â

he fought Ryoto Machida. a very good up and coming star.

[War]

WhyHello, I didn't know that. Good lookin' out. Renzo is tough. Even when he loses, he gives a great performance. The only time he didn't is when he got KOed by Dan Henderson shooting in. It happens. Renzo has to be the most active of the Gracie fighters. He has also produced some very good MMA fighters. He and BJ will be an entertaining fight. Whoever controls the stand up will win. The fight will definitely be decided on the feet. In my mind, BJ has the edge right now and Renzo is the underdog. If Renzo comes back for a W, it will be a great accomplishment.

Red Devil, BJ did get his blue and purple from Ralph, but I don't think he's a traitor. He just switched schools. The first American to win gold at the Black Belt level at the BJJ World Champs is not too shabby. The rivalry is good hype though. Renzo is great at talkin trash!

Royce is in great shape and is much better than he was in the early UFCs. He would give any current A level fighter a great fight. When he's motivated, he's still one of the top fighters. However, $$$ are dictating his career now.

[PunchDrunkHighOn_?]

I really love how people on this forum love to tell me "you need to do this and that". I've seen plenty of Royce Gracie and Tito Ortiz. My decision is what it is. Tito Ortiz is a one dimensional fighter, ground and pound. But that crap dont work against a real Ju-Jitsu expert.

And I only brought up Kimo and Severn cuz they were both much bigger and stronger then Royce, yet he made them tap. I know Kimo was garbage.

Tito is one dimensional you used him as an example not me
If Titos style doesn't work against Jui Jitsui how come Frank Shamrock could'nt get him in a submission or is Frank Shamrock not a good submission fighter

I don't think Tito even makes the top 10 at 205 anymore

Are any Gracies competing in the PRIDE GPs
If not why these are the best tournaments in MMA

[BABABOOEY]

Are u with me, or against me? I'm not crazy about Tito Ortiz. I said Royce woulda tapped him out in 2-3 minutes.

[Hulk]

I really love how people on this forum love to tell me "you need to do this and that". I've seen plenty of Royce Gracie and Tito Ortiz. My decision is what it is. Tito Ortiz is a one dimensional fighter, ground and pound. But that crap dont work against a real Ju-Jitsu expert.

And I only brought up Kimo and Severn cuz they were both much bigger and stronger then Royce, yet he made them tap. I know Kimo was garbage.

I would not call him garbage, but he did get KO'd damn quick by an old Shamrock who gets ass kicked all the time these days. Really, I think Royce could have submitted Ortiz, but not in 2 mins. More like after about 2 rounds. And IMO the "New and improved" UFC and its fighters suck compared to the old school ones. I used to love to see strictly Kung Fu, or boxing guys take on wrestlers and submission artists and what not. It was also cool to see 190 lb guys go against 250+ guys. It was all very exciting, and the fights did not get stopped in a heartbeat like they do now. I mean one good punch and the fight is IMMMEDIATELY stopped. The old UFC kicked ass. The new UFC has its moments but can be pretty tame and boring. All the fighters style's are just a jumbled mess of a bunch of styles. It works but no fighters style stands out since they are basically all the same. Liddell makes fights interesting though with his KO power. And I love to H@te Frank Mir. I hope Andre KO's him soon.

[SalTheButcher]

If anyone cares, I watch a fair share of MMA, not nearly as much as boxing but enuff. Anyway anyone interested in witnessing the absolute worst ass kicking in MMA History....check out the WEC(World Extreme Cagefighting) HW championship fight between Doug "Rhino" Marshall and James "sandman" Irving. It was brutal. Marshall got kneed, kicked in the thigh, punched repeatedly, taken down, kneed some more, punched somemore and finally after about a round and a half, KO'd big time. Unbelieable ass kicking. Just Brutal. WORST EVER!!!!!!

SILVA RAMPAGE 1 and 2 are both pretty brutal

[WHYHELLO]

any gracie would get stomped by a top 10 fighter in thei weight class now and days IMO most fighters now are more well rounded and they know a lot of submission defense. dont get me wrong the gracies are very good BJJers but they are not well rounded enough

[Silver]

Renzo is great and will beat B.J. on his feet then on the ground.

[PunchDrunkHighOn_?]

Are u with me, or against me? I'm not crazy about Tito Ortiz. I said Royce woulda tapped him out in 2-3 minutes.

I'm not sure to be honest
I don't rate Ortiz at all I think his style is about as entertaining as Hopkins is in boxing
Tito is not as skilled though however as an athlete he is phenominal you have to appreciate his strength and stamina he is a talented wrestler and that makes him extremely difficult to submit at 205 I think it is very hard to imagine him being submitted especially in 2 rounds

I think Jui Jitsui is less effective these days because the more well rounded fighters know how to defend submissions.

My favourite MMA fighters are Chuck Liddell, Wanderlei Silva, CroCop, Arlovksi, Terrell, Yves Edwards, Shogun Rua and Rampage Jackson.
With the exception of Rampage and Crocop these are well rounded fighters that you did'nt see in the early UFCs

The early UFCs were funny but the skill level didn't compare to what we see today

PRIDE kicks UFCs ass anyway watch the middleweight GPs

[Hulk]

I like Pride because it is cheaper and similiar to the old UFC in that ANYTHING can happen. I mean I have seen them throw a luchadore "Pro" wrestler in there with a top Heavy Weight Puncher and it was funny. Oh and you guys should check out the WEC its tight. If you have the HDNET channel check it out, its FREE! Olof Rocks!

[PunchDrunkHighOn_?]

I like Pride because it is cheaper and similiar to the old UFC in that ANYTHING can happen. I mean I have seen them throw a luchadore "Pro" wrestler in there with a top Heavy Weight Puncher and it was funny. Oh and you guys should check out the WEC its tight. If you have the HDNET channel check it out, its FREE! Olof Rocks!

Some of the match making in PRIDE is crazy but they have tournaments which kick ass
they also allow soccer kicks (AKA stamping on peoples faces)

PRIDE have better fighters than the UFC on the hole but they also feed their best fighters alot of Japanese bums to beat on

MAKE SURE YOU WATCH PRIDE FINAL CONFLICT AUGUST 28th

[Hulk]

I like Pride because it is cheaper and similiar to the old UFC in that ANYTHING can happen. I mean I have seen them throw a luchadore "Pro" wrestler in there with a top Heavy Weight Puncher and it was funny. Oh and you guys should check out the WEC its tight. If you have the HDNET channel check it out, its FREE! Olof Rocks!

Some of the match making in PRIDE is crazy but they have tournaments which kick ass
they also allow soccer kicks (AKA stamping on peoples faces)

PRIDE have better fighters than the UFC on the hole but they also feed their best fighters alot of Japanese bums to beat on

MAKE SURE YOU WATCH PRIDE FINAL CONFLICT AUGUST 28th

Who will be fighting then? Isn't that just the conclusion to the MW tournament? And I forgot his name but who is that big russian with all the grim reaper tattoos, he kicks ass and is quite a monster.

[PunchDrunkHighOn_?]

I like Pride because it is cheaper and similiar to the old UFC in that ANYTHING can happen. I mean I have seen them throw a luchadore "Pro" wrestler in there with a top Heavy Weight Puncher and it was funny. Oh and you guys should check out the WEC its tight. If you have the HDNET channel check it out, its FREE! Olof Rocks!

Some of the match making in PRIDE is crazy but they have tournaments which kick ass
they also allow soccer kicks (AKA stamping on peoples faces)

PRIDE have better fighters than the UFC on the hole but they also feed their best fighters alot of Japanese bums to beat on

MAKE SURE YOU WATCH PRIDE FINAL CONFLICT AUGUST 28th

Who will be fighting then? Isn't that just the conclusion to the MW tournament? And I forgot his name but who is that big russian with all the grim reaper tattoos, he kicks ass and is quite a monster.

What do you mean JUST the conclusion to the MW tourney
This is the biggest MMA event EVER

Silva
Overeem
Shogun
Arona

and a small matter of CroCop v Fedor
this is the shiz

[Hulk]

I like pride in all but I am more familiar with the UFC fighters. I mean the only name I recognized outta all that was Vanderlay Silva. Do you think Silva could beat Chuck Liddel?

[PunchDrunkHighOn_?]

I like pride in all but I am more familiar with the UFC fighters. I mean the only name I recognized outta all that was Vanderlay Silva. Do you think Silva could beat Chuck Liddel?

I think Silva is the better fighter BUT I think Liddell would knock him out! styles make fights
A hard hitting counter puncher with a great chin and takedown defence can beat Silva

although Chuck can be inconsistent It would be an awesome fight only way it happens is if Liddell moves to PRIDE