does this fight cement joe c's legacy?

[oakleyno1]

cant decide myself, but i certainly thought hopkins was on a decline, but to beat pavlik like that i was wrong, thoughts on if this fight has further put joe up in the p4p and legacy rankings

[kingfrnk]

no, he barley won a split decision. and many people think he still lost. just cause he won a very close decision against bhop and hopkins beat the crap outta pavlik doesnt mean it cements joes legacy at all. but bhop beating a young undefeated champion does more for his legacy which has already been accomplished.

[intoccabile]

Also. I saw hopkins get severely gassed after 6 against joe and stop punching entirely, i didn't see that tonight.

All tonight proved was that hopkins COULD have fought a much more active fight against joe than he did.
Now I'm questioning if he trained properly for the Joe fight. Hopkins tonight would have beaten Joe IMO.

[BIG H]

Calzaghe stopped Hopkins from fighting a 'more active' fight that's the difference

[intoccabile]

Please tell me you are being sarcastic?

[BIG H]

Please tell me you are being sarcastic?

Why's that?

You think having somebody throwing punches at the rate that Calzaghe was and with his general workrate, wouldn't affect Hopkins ability to be more offensive he was able to be in the Pavlick fight

Ah I know what happened. Calzaghe fought an Old Hopkins, but suddenly Hopkins has be rejuvenated in between fights and lost 5 years of his age

[The Shadow]

Also. I saw hopkins get severely gassed after 6 against joe and stop punching entirely, i didn't see that tonight.

All tonight proved was that hopkins COULD have fought a much more active fight against joe than he did.
Now I'm questioning if he trained properly for the Joe fight. Hopkins tonight would have beaten Joe IMO.

Yeah, absolutely no doubt about it.

[Gandalf]

Also. I saw hopkins get severely gassed after 6 against joe and stop punching entirely, i didn't see that tonight.

All tonight proved was that hopkins COULD have fought a much more active fight against joe than he did.
Now I'm questioning if he trained properly for the Joe fight. Hopkins tonight would have beaten Joe IMO.

Its nonsense to say that this version of BHop would have beaten Calzaghe. Pavlik was slow, flat and didnt throw anything. Of course BHop wasnt gassed in there. Pavlik had no output and struggled to even shoot of the jab. Pavlik didnt apply intelligent pressure, Calzaghe does. And Calzaghe is far slicker than Pavlik, faster, and an all round far superior boxer.

If Hopkins faces Calzaghe again, it will be a wider victory for Joe. Calzaghe has that style worked out now, and would just bring it to Hopkins earlier.

Hopkins fought a great fight, but to suggest that would have been enough to deter Calzaghe is fantasyland stuff. As far as Im concerned Calzaghe hismself had the off night against Hopkins, and still cantered home down the stretch.

I wouldnt mind seeing them at it again actually, now that Pavlik has fallen off the radar.

[Trainer Monkey]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

[thewhale]

Don´t think so, but I was surprised to see B´hop being the Ghostbuster

[Gandalf]

Miles,frankly your full of it,you can make a clear case Bernard won.Ive never complained about the decision, because work rate even without landing,which Joe rarely did,will get you the judges. But only one fighter got hurt in that fight,and it was Joe.
The only things that got hurt in that fight going Joes way was,Joes knuckles and Bernards biceps

I dont think a case can be made for Hopkins winning that. The knockdown kept it close enough, but Hopkins was completely outhustled from the 6th onwards. And Calzaghe was clearly working his way into it prior to that. Calzaghe got put down and got straight back up. The only thing hurt was Calzaghes pride having made the start he did.

Like I say, I wouldnt mind seeing a rematch because I think Calzaghe has the smarts to do it much more concisively.

[Markusdarkus]

no, he barley won a split decision. and many people think he still lost. just cause he won a very close decision against bhop and hopkins beat the crap outta pavlik doesnt mean it cements joes legacy at all. but bhop beating a young undefeated champion does more for his legacy which has already been accomplished.

Of course it doers you muppet!

Pavlik did not win one round and was exposed as a middling champion with power.

[ClubberLang]

cant decide myself, but i certainly thought hopkins was on a decline, but to beat pavlik like that i was wrong, thoughts on if this fight has further put joe up in the p4p and legacy rankings

I don't think so because I thought Hopkins deserved a clear 115-112 win against Calzaghe. Landed easily the more effective shots. I am tired of more activity wins. What the hell about defense? OK, a guy throws more punches; if you block or duck them, isn't that more a credit to you than the guy throwing punches? Why does activity trump defense these days? It's crap.

[Tysonbruno]

Hopkins didn't fight anything like when he fought Calzaghe he was much better last night and it wasn't a case of Pavlik making him look better than he was Hopkins owned this young mans ASS!. Calzaghe only won by SD12 and many thought Hopkins won when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he fought very flat and didn't seem nowhere near as motivated as he did for this had he turned up for Calzaghe as he did for Pavlik calzaghe would have had problems.

[Kev]

Hopkins didn't fight anything like when he fought Calzaghe he was much better last night and it wasn't a case of Pavlik making him look better than he was Hopkins owned this young mans ASS!. Calzaghe only won by SD12 and many thought Hopkins won when Hopkins fought Calzaghe he fought very flat and didn't seem nowhere near as motivated as he did for this had he turned up for Calzaghe as he did for Pavlik calzaghe would have had problems.

You can't tell me that Calzaghe didn't also fight a whole lot better than Pavlik did.

Pavlik barely landed a meaningful punch in the whole fight, Calzaghe clearly thre more and outlanded Hopkins down the stretch. It was a very close fight but Calzaghe did far better against Hopkins than Pavlik did and it was nothing to do with Hopkins being out of sorts against Calzaghe.

Calzaghe fought much better against Hopkins than Pavlik did.

Just look at the punch stats. Pavlik threw 463 punches and landed 108 against Hopkins, Calzaghe threw 707 landing 232 literally more than double.

I think that has a lot to do with why Hopkins did better against Kelly than Joe