Fighters From Europe Are really overrated

[Britkid]

This has to be the funiest typo i have read....

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps wank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

it is a typo isnt it

Freudian slip I reckon

Yes; but sadly based on Anna rather than Sigmund!

[Britkid]

This has to be the funiest typo i have read....

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps wank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

it is a typo isnt it

Well.....

I am BritKid, and I have a confession!

[JonesJrMayweather]

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

Well by fanboy, I presume you mean a Fanatic, rather than its true meaning in boxing: Fan(cy); a financial backer (sponsor) of a fighter.

By definition a fanatic is going to overrate; that is a bit of a no-brainer.

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps yank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

You have picked some awful, awful examples:

Ricky Hatton was an underrated fighter, who upset an old excellent fighter in Kostya Tszyu. He then used his support to get him some big fights, and showed himself capable against all but the very best, Hatton was hardly overrated.

Nigel Benn was an exciting face first puncher, who got found out at 160lbs, only to reinvent himself as a smartish fighter at 168lbs, who used his experience to beat the streaking Gerald McClellan and give a prime Eubank hell in a fight perhaps he could of edged.

Naseem Hamed was an excellent fighter who fought and beat everything put in front of him, before getting a bit to cocky and losing Barrera. Unable to regain the fire that got him to the top, Naseem called it a day, disappointed, but hardly overrated, anyone who saw the Vazquez or Badillo fights, know Naseem was mighty fine at his best.

Sir 'enry was a British institution, I do not think even his biggest fans considers him great. But he was brave, had a mean left hook and always gave his best, and we like those qualities in Britain.

Lewis has shown himself the Heavyweight of the last 15 years. The fact that it is six years since he retired and we have yet to even find a fighter to have a legitimate claim to his Championship, shows to a point how good he was.

Calzaghe beat everything put on front of him, and now it seems is that determined to keep his '0' that he is now 47-0 having added his son to the record.

Michalczewski sucked so much, that for whatever reason, a near prime Roy Jones Jr choose not to fight him....

Schmeling unlike Buster probably holds the record for biggest upset in Heavyweight history when he beat Joe Louis. Add this to a two year reign as champ, a title lost on a debatable decision, and being involved in the most important fight in boxing history, and I would say Max was hardly overrated.

Bruno was a 80s version of Cooper, it is just the division is that bad today, there is a case that Bruno could of been a top fighter in this era, rather than just being a top ten contender that he was in the 80s.

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

[generalbulldog]

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

Well by fanboy, I presume you mean a Fanatic, rather than its true meaning in boxing: Fan(cy); a financial backer (sponsor) of a fighter.

By definition a fanatic is going to overrate; that is a bit of a no-brainer.

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps yank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

You have picked some awful, awful examples:

Ricky Hatton was an underrated fighter, who upset an old excellent fighter in Kostya Tszyu. He then used his support to get him some big fights, and showed himself capable against all but the very best, Hatton was hardly overrated.

Nigel Benn was an exciting face first puncher, who got found out at 160lbs, only to reinvent himself as a smartish fighter at 168lbs, who used his experience to beat the streaking Gerald McClellan and give a prime Eubank hell in a fight perhaps he could of edged.

Naseem Hamed was an excellent fighter who fought and beat everything put in front of him, before getting a bit to cocky and losing Barrera. Unable to regain the fire that got him to the top, Naseem called it a day, disappointed, but hardly overrated, anyone who saw the Vazquez or Badillo fights, know Naseem was mighty fine at his best.

Sir 'enry was a British institution, I do not think even his biggest fans considers him great. But he was brave, had a mean left hook and always gave his best, and we like those qualities in Britain.

Lewis has shown himself the Heavyweight of the last 15 years. The fact that it is six years since he retired and we have yet to even find a fighter to have a legitimate claim to his Championship, shows to a point how good he was.

Calzaghe beat everything put on front of him, and now it seems is that determined to keep his '0' that he is now 47-0 having added his son to the record.

Michalczewski sucked so much, that for whatever reason, a near prime Roy Jones Jr choose not to fight him....

Schmeling unlike Buster probably holds the record for biggest upset in Heavyweight history when he beat Joe Louis. Add this to a two year reign as champ, a title lost on a debatable decision, and being involved in the most important fight in boxing history, and I would say Max was hardly overrated.

Bruno was a 80s version of Cooper, it is just the division is that bad today, there is a case that Bruno could of been a top fighter in this era, rather than just being a top ten contender that he was in the 80s.

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

[Nameless]

Well by fanboy, I presume you mean a Fanatic, rather than its true meaning in boxing: Fan(cy); a financial backer (sponsor) of a fighter.

By definition a fanatic is going to overrate; that is a bit of a no-brainer.

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps yank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

You have picked some awful, awful examples:

Ricky Hatton was an underrated fighter, who upset an old excellent fighter in Kostya Tszyu. He then used his support to get him some big fights, and showed himself capable against all but the very best, Hatton was hardly overrated.

Nigel Benn was an exciting face first puncher, who got found out at 160lbs, only to reinvent himself as a smartish fighter at 168lbs, who used his experience to beat the streaking Gerald McClellan and give a prime Eubank hell in a fight perhaps he could of edged.

Naseem Hamed was an excellent fighter who fought and beat everything put in front of him, before getting a bit to cocky and losing Barrera. Unable to regain the fire that got him to the top, Naseem called it a day, disappointed, but hardly overrated, anyone who saw the Vazquez or Badillo fights, know Naseem was mighty fine at his best.

Sir 'enry was a British institution, I do not think even his biggest fans considers him great. But he was brave, had a mean left hook and always gave his best, and we like those qualities in Britain.

Lewis has shown himself the Heavyweight of the last 15 years. The fact that it is six years since he retired and we have yet to even find a fighter to have a legitimate claim to his Championship, shows to a point how good he was.

Calzaghe beat everything put on front of him, and now it seems is that determined to keep his '0' that he is now 47-0 having added his son to the record.

Michalczewski sucked so much, that for whatever reason, a near prime Roy Jones Jr choose not to fight him....

Schmeling unlike Buster probably holds the record for biggest upset in Heavyweight history when he beat Joe Louis. Add this to a two year reign as champ, a title lost on a debatable decision, and being involved in the most important fight in boxing history, and I would say Max was hardly overrated.

Bruno was a 80s version of Cooper, it is just the division is that bad today, there is a case that Bruno could of been a top fighter in this era, rather than just being a top ten contender that he was in the 80s.

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

Even considering Roy would have won, it absolutely doesn't mean that DM wasn't a very good overall fighter. Plus, all the other points britboys are mostly valid in my opinion, he gave good proof that a lot of the fighters you did mention as underrated in fact were not.

[generalbulldog]

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

Even considering Roy would have won, it absolutely doesn't mean that DM wasn't a very good overall fighter. Plus, all the other points britboys are mostly valid in my opinion, he gave good proof that a lot of the fighters you did mention as underrated in fact were not.

I'm not saying these fighters are not good, but compared to the hype they get compared to their level of accomplishments and opponents are a little bit unwarranted in my opinion.

For example, Prince Naseem was good just not an elite fighter in my eyes, and same thing with Hatton, but they get trumped up and hyped up a little bit no?

As for Joe Calzaghe, he beat a 43 year old Hopkins and a 39 year old Roy Jones, in my eyes those 2 are way past their primes physically and boxing wise. If this fight had taken place 10 years ago, then yeah it would be something to talk about.

[Fenster]

Well by fanboy, I presume you mean a Fanatic, rather than its true meaning in boxing: Fan(cy); a financial backer (sponsor) of a fighter.

By definition a fanatic is going to overrate; that is a bit of a no-brainer.

But now I am going to bite on your juicy worm, and perhaps yank you into the lake, because I will not be caught.....

You have picked some awful, awful examples:

Ricky Hatton was an underrated fighter, who upset an old excellent fighter in Kostya Tszyu. He then used his support to get him some big fights, and showed himself capable against all but the very best, Hatton was hardly overrated.

Nigel Benn was an exciting face first puncher, who got found out at 160lbs, only to reinvent himself as a smartish fighter at 168lbs, who used his experience to beat the streaking Gerald McClellan and give a prime Eubank hell in a fight perhaps he could of edged.

Naseem Hamed was an excellent fighter who fought and beat everything put in front of him, before getting a bit to cocky and losing Barrera. Unable to regain the fire that got him to the top, Naseem called it a day, disappointed, but hardly overrated, anyone who saw the Vazquez or Badillo fights, know Naseem was mighty fine at his best.

Sir 'enry was a British institution, I do not think even his biggest fans considers him great. But he was brave, had a mean left hook and always gave his best, and we like those qualities in Britain.

Lewis has shown himself the Heavyweight of the last 15 years. The fact that it is six years since he retired and we have yet to even find a fighter to have a legitimate claim to his Championship, shows to a point how good he was.

Calzaghe beat everything put on front of him, and now it seems is that determined to keep his '0' that he is now 47-0 having added his son to the record.

Michalczewski sucked so much, that for whatever reason, a near prime Roy Jones Jr choose not to fight him....

Schmeling unlike Buster probably holds the record for biggest upset in Heavyweight history when he beat Joe Louis. Add this to a two year reign as champ, a title lost on a debatable decision, and being involved in the most important fight in boxing history, and I would say Max was hardly overrated.

Bruno was a 80s version of Cooper, it is just the division is that bad today, there is a case that Bruno could of been a top fighter in this era, rather than just being a top ten contender that he was in the 80s.

Get it together man!!!! Dariuz sat ringside at the Jones vs Virgil hill fight, witnessed Roy stop a man that had never been stopped with body shot...then hopped his ass on a plane and never went back to the states.

DM was the most overrated of all the so called "european guys that roy ducked",... He would have been toyed with like Richard Hall. Eubank stood the best chance against prime roy, Benn and the rest would have gone to sleep at 160-168....

Eubank states in his own fucking book that its unlikely that he would have beat jones. Futhermore while he was still competing it was him that said if he didnt see way to beat jones that he wouldnt face him. They never fought so... go figure... Benn is probably the only one that really wanted to face face jones, but after he and gman beat the hell out of each other, he would have been torn to shreds by roy..so call that unfortunate timing...

I guess I'm not the only one that thinks DM ducked Roy. And I'm probably one of the few guys here that thinks if both had fought in their primes, Roy comes out on top.

You are. Just look at how many DM threads and fans this board has - Practically heaving with them. No-one talks much about Roy around here.

[BIG H]

Who's this Roy Jones guy

[armyash]

No offense to anyone here, but since this is a message board, I have to call it the way I see it. And after reading quite a few posts and threads here, Euro fighters get way overhyped by the media and by their fanboys.

A few on the list:
Rickey Hatton, Nigel Benn, Prince Naseem, Mighty Mike, Henry Cooper, Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Dariusz Michalczewski, Max Schmeling, Frank Bruno, etc.

A prime example would be everyone on this board was going on and on about how Hatton and some in the media was going to knock out Floyd then later Pacman in a few rounds. And that Floyd and Pacman were garbage fighters who cherry pick their fights and fought at home. But I guess fighting 90% of your fights against bums and in England or other places in Europe isn't right?

And then when these Euro fighters beat elite fighters that are shot or past their primes like Calzaghe against Hopkins, JOnes Jr. as if its a celebration. And Nigel Benn revered in England ducked a prime Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins and would only want to fight them in Wembley. lol

Now I know some people wants to root for one of their own, but come on and be realistic. Sorry to say this but most fighters from Europe are really overrated. Hatton, Prince Naseem, Lennox Lewis, Frank Bruno, etc. That Hatton and Pacman fight was plain garbage, Pacman and Floyd fought a club fighter that didnt' belong in the ring with them.

Wow! glad i seen this post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are bordering on foolish.

Everyone is wise after the event but as someone said if we knew the outcome before the fights had started what would be the point?

I have previously stated that JC is overrated in another thread but i am still a fan. I think he could have had a better career or carried on longer. Hopkins might have been 'past it' but he is still on top today.

I believe Hatton would have lost those 2 fights regardless but switching trainers at such a pivotal moment in his career was not the best move and his years of bad living between fights caught up with him.

Lennox Lewis overrated? just because he wasn't a devastating aggressive monster does not mean he was not great. He beat everyone he faced and his record reads like a who's who of the heavyweight division of his era.

There's a Nigel Benn interview after one of his fights (possibly Mcclellan) I watched it 2 days ago and he says he is prepared to face Jones but in the same sentence he says Jones is a different class. I don't believe for 1 second that Benn would duck anyone. When Jones was the man he refused to travel anywhere and had everything in his favour, now he is washed up he has gone abroad and lost because he has not many other options open to him. Do you believe Jones would have travelled far away from home in his prime to the other guys country with little support?

Naz was a love him or hate him guy. I loved him i loved the way he was so confident and he was a brutal finisher. He lost against MAB, no shame in that but he was not at his best by a mile. Another thing, for his comeback fight he fought Manuel Calvo and boxed his way to a wide decision (has been revealed since that he suffered from damaged hands most probably due to being such a hard hitter). Calvo was the European champ how many guys after suffering their first defeat would go straight back in to that level of fight.