Anybody think Pac has lost 5 fights and JMM has only lost 1??

[Pugilistic]

I felt Pacquiao won the first fight and Marquez won the second fight.

[OumaFan]

Taeth's trying to be racist Its good to have goals.

He wasn't even referring to you as far as I know, he was talking about GeneralBulldog's thread about how European fighters are overrated.

[The Fightfan]

This is an arguement I always get into with my brother besides Mike Tyson being the greatest before Don King. I say Maquez won both fight's,making Pac look like an amatuer by throwing and missing a ton of punches. It seems all Pacquiao fans point to the knockdowns ok well what about the rounds were Pac couldn't land more than 10 punches in a round. Anyway I always thought it was funny that the judges from the first fight thought Marquez won the second fight and vice versa. Just amusing that's all. MARQUEZ all the way.

[Julius Rain]

Probably the majority believe JMM won both fights with Pac and the majority think JMM was robbed against Chris John, so the would make their records as follows:

Pac 48-5-1

JMM 53 -1 (+ 1 DQ)

Actually it should be

Pac 53 - 1 if only pac knew when to move up division when his having a hard time making weight.

If pac started out with roach his whole career he could of been undefeated 54 - 0 bitches!

[Kel]

Probably the majority believe JMM won both fights with Pac and the majority think JMM was robbed against Chris John, so the would make their records as follows:

Pac 48-5-1

JMM 53 -1 (+ 1 DQ)

Actually it should be

Pac 53 - 1 if only pac knew when to move up division when his having a hard time making weight.

If pac started out with roach his whole career he could of been undefeated 54 - 0 bitches!

Saddoboxer has hacked this account!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Probably the majority believe JMM won both fights with Pac and the majority think JMM was robbed against Chris John, so the would make their records as follows:

Pac 48-5-1

JMM 53 -1 (+ 1 DQ)

Actually it should be

Pac 53 - 1 if only pac knew when to move up division when his having a hard time making weight.

If pac started out with roach his whole career he could of been undefeated 54 - 0 bitches!

and if shit paid bills you'd be set, cause you're talkin loads of it buddy

[Julius Rain]

ok seriously have you guys ever wonder what if freddy roach was with pac his whole career.

JMM and other great fighters have been with their respected trainiers their whole career. Pac just began with roach during his first wars with the marco,jmm,eric. Just a thought....

[XaduBoxer]

Probably the majority believe JMM won both fights with Pac and the majority think JMM was robbed against Chris John, so the would make their records as follows:

Pac 48-5-1

JMM 53 -1 (+ 1 DQ)

Actually it should be

Pac 53 - 1 if only pac knew when to move up division when his having a hard time making weight.

If pac started out with roach his whole career he could of been undefeated 54 - 0 bitches!

Saddoboxer has hacked this account!

Me, hacker??

I already posted this on page 1 of this thread:

Converting 3 official losses to wins is a bit of a stretch eventhough those fights were close fights... I'm aware of this issue since I've read JMM claiming all his losses were robberies...

What this thing will tell us is, JMM most likely will lose a decision in a close fight... JMM's style is not judge friendly... Judges will not favor his counterpunching style against the one with more aggressive style of boxing... Better for JMM to really dominate or KO his opponent just like what he had done lately... With that said, I predict JMM will NOT win via decision over PBF (even if the 2 has similar styles, PBF just the more accurate counterpuncher)... He needs to KO/TKO the bigger PBF in order to get a victory...
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[Kel]

Actually it should be

Pac 53 - 1 if only pac knew when to move up division when his having a hard time making weight.

If pac started out with roach his whole career he could of been undefeated 54 - 0 bitches!

Saddoboxer has hacked this account!

Me, hacker??

I already posted this on page 1 of this thread:

Converting 3 official losses to wins is a bit of a stretch eventhough those fights were close fights... I'm aware of this issue since I've read JMM claiming all his losses were robberies...

What this thing will tell us is, JMM most likely will lose a decision in a close fight... JMM's style is not judge friendly... Judges will not favor his counterpunching style against the one with more aggressive style of boxing... Better for JMM to really dominate or KO his opponent just like what he had done lately... With that said, I predict JMM will NOT win via decision over PBF (even if the 2 has similar styles, PBF just the more accurate counterpuncher)... He needs to KO/TKO the bigger PBF in order to get a victory...
.

Saddoboxer has hijacked this account!

[ElTerribleMorales]

ok seriously have you guys ever wonder what if freddy roach was with pac his whole career.

JMM and other great fighters have been with their respected trainiers their whole career. Pac just began with roach during his first wars with the marco,jmm,eric. Just a thought....

and here's the answer, people would have never been shocked by the drastic change in his fighting style and been so thrown off by it finding it so hard to adapt, they'd already know what to expect unlike now that he just keeps adding more to his game, so honestly i doubt he would of been undefeated by any means

[Taeth]

This is an arguement I always get into with my brother besides Mike Tyson being the greatest before Don King. I say Maquez won both fight's,making Pac look like an amatuer by throwing and missing a ton of punches. It seems all Pacquiao fans point to the knockdowns ok well what about the rounds were Pac couldn't land more than 10 punches in a round. Anyway I always thought it was funny that the judges from the first fight thought Marquez won the second fight and vice versa. Just amusing that's all. MARQUEZ all the way.

First fight definitely, second fight they landed pretty much evenly, and though Marquez was a little bit better with technique and timing, Pacquiao evened it up with his physical gifts. I don't think anyone would argue that either guy could not win on any given night, I just say that in that fight that happened Pacquiao clearly won more fights.

[Taeth]

- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez

I remember when JC Chavez faced Whitaker. Even Mexican newspapers, sports channels, sports magazines, etc. In Mexico and in the USA questioned JC Chavez draw. I would never imagine Filipino press or boxing enthusiasts questioning Pac.
I'll say that the KO on the 2nd fight helped Pac a lot to get a decision even if JMM won most rounds. The KO can cause a big impact in anybody's eyes.

im certainly not Spanish/Mexican

I don't understand why we latins/hispanics are called "Spanish" many times, is it because of the language we speak that people get confused with us being Spaniards or something? It would be like people calling Australians and Americans, English, or calling all Asians, Chinese. Don't you think?

Because half of the people in latin america have spanish decent, if you look back to Spain coming over, only a very slight part of the mexican people are still fully Aztec or Mayan. I didn't mean for this to be a racist thing, I just saw prodominantly spanish people toute Marquez won, I guess I was wrong.

ICB, which rounds did you give to Marquez exactly?

[Violent Demise]

Not even close to the majority think Marquez won both fights, I have only seen spanish/mexicans who think Marquez won the second fight, they still can't give a logical round by round reason why they believe he won the second fight, they say what rounds, but when I go through the rounds punch by punch they have no answer for the truth.

All these people had JMM winning i'd say more people think JMM won there 2nd fight, than more people think Manny Pacquiao won the 2nd fight. And by the way i had JMM winning both Manny Pacquiao fights and the Chris John fight with ease, and im certainly not Spanish/Mexican.


Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez

• Pacquiao wins the vacant Ring Magazine jr. lightweight world title. Ring Magazine awarded the belt to Pacquiao but did not believe he won the fight.

Are these valid? Like is this from a real article? Either way anybody, who had Marquez up by more than one point is clearly delusional because thats the only way I give people the slightest reasoning for having him up in the fight, there is no way he was up two or three rounds when the knockdown is taken into consideration. Once again, what rounds did they give to Marquez? I guarantee if I sat down a watched the fight through with anyone I could convince them that two rounds people always seem to give Marquez (1 and 11) clearly didn't belong to him.

What it shows is it just ain't hispanics that had him winning

[ElTerribleMorales]

- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez

I remember when JC Chavez faced Whitaker. Even Mexican newspapers, sports channels, sports magazines, etc. In Mexico and in the USA questioned JC Chavez draw. I would never imagine Filipino press or boxing enthusiasts questioning Pac.
I'll say that the KO on the 2nd fight helped Pac a lot to get a decision even if JMM won most rounds. The KO can cause a big impact in anybody's eyes.

im certainly not Spanish/Mexican

I don't understand why we latins/hispanics are called "Spanish" many times, is it because of the language we speak that people get confused with us being Spaniards or something? It would be like people calling Australians and Americans, English, or calling all Asians, Chinese. Don't you think?

Because half of the people in latin america have spanish decent, if you look back to Spain coming over, only a very slight part of the mexican people are still fully Aztec or Mayan. I didn't mean for this to be a racist thing, I just saw prodominantly spanish people toute Marquez won, I guess I was wrong.

ICB, which rounds did you give to Marquez exactly?

yup gotta go with Taeth on this one, i get what he's trying to say on the bold bit is that most of the population in what are now latin american countries are spanish influenced due to the conquistador's and such, Puerto Rico in specific derives mainly of 3 cultures, Taino, African, and Spanish, and Mexico can't forget that most of the original Aztec or Mayan people were whiped out by illness, mainly the small pox, same as the Taino's here in PR, and well like in pretty much every country in the world, there is no such thing as a PURE race, but yea i disagree with the mainly latinos believing Marquez won bit, that's like saying mainly only Filipino's believe that Pacquiao won, i think there is a good mix of nationalities that believe Marquez won

[Violent Demise]

Mayweather is black. Brian Kenny is white. Both had Marquez winning