Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez

[brucelee]

I am a JMM fan and I'm hoping that JMM would be able to really counter Mayweather the way he had countered Pac.

I'm currently watching the fights of Mayweather right now especially his fights with Hatton and DLH. Against DLH, Mayweather seems to have a problem with DLH's jabs. Weight drained or not, those jabs didn't bother Pac at all.

If JMM was able to counter Pac really well, then against PBF, he has a chance of countering PBF. Pac has an unorthodox style (aside from being too fast). I guess this is the reason why BArrera, Morales, HAtton and DLH ultimately could not handle Pac. But this could not be said with JMM. JMM was able to counter Pac despite his unorthodox style. I'm wondering now if PBF's shoulder roll and defense would be effective against a great counter puncher.

Against HAtton, Mayweather seems to have a problem with HAtton's aggressiveness. Hatton was really doing well against PBF. ASide from the late TKo, I really believe HAtton was doing well against Mayweather despite the fact that he was also not moving his head. Mayweather, hardly took advantage of it. Hatton was doing the same thing against pac. He was also not moving his head and he was bullying Pac but it proved to be fatal for him.

LAstly, Pac knocked down JMM many times but he simply could not end him. If pac is too fast(against Diaz, Morales, BArrera), too strong (against HAtton) and accurate (against DLH) but still was ineffective against JMM, I wonder how MAyweather would handle JMM.

My forecast for this fight: SPLIT decision that could go to JMM's favor.

[Gandalf]

It's an interesting fight and I'm looking forward to it. I know it's boring to harp on about weight, but I do wonder how Marquez is going to carry almost 10 more pounds more weight. He seemed pretty filled out at 135 as it was.

I hope for a Marquez win, but my mind says Mayweather. I'm often wrong though and I hope I am again.

[Pavlik]

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

[Taeth]

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Mayweather didn't lose a round to Hatton. I don't guess I was watching the same fight! Comparing Hatton to Marquez is like comparing fatty meat to USDA prime cut. Marquez is better than Hatton on all fronts, counter punching, speed, chin ect....

[Kel]

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

Castillo connected with body shots in the first fight no?

[JonnyFolds]

pbf's lucky that he is the bigger man. ability they're about equal, power i'd say marquez, speed pbf. i can see jmm winning with effective aggression with pbf backpedaling all night.

I agree! Yes Floyd is the bigger man and he is faster but I think JMM will give him serious problems. After watching so many of Mayweather's fights I see him pulling back to the ropes using his philidelphia shell. So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly. Hatton had the aggression right but he was head hunting all night. Mayweather is good at ducking and diving evading those headshots. This is where I believe the difference will be with JMM. I see JMM going to that exposed body much more than all the others and when the body shots connect its gonna open up Floyd's chin.

Castillo who might be as good of a body puncher as Cotto, was not able to get to Mayweather with body shots, but I agree its the only way to land effectively on Mayweather, however, I really doubt he will be running from Marquez, I think we expect a more Mayweather-G.Hernandez type performance on Mayweather's part. I certainly expect more combinations and offensive artillery.

Castillo was all over PBF in their first fight. And YES he landed to the body often and hard. He out threw and outlanded him.

Mayweather will not bring the offense. He has not been a combination puncher since before the Gatti fight. He likes to slow the boxing down to an almost standstill. It's what make PBF fights so boring, and winnable for "the cash cow."

Definitely right about Floyd having some opponents who just abandoned their game plan after stepping through the ropes.

[Rocky Balboa]

So many of Mayweathers opponets have fought him stupidly.

save that comment for Pacquiao

[Pugilistic]

Mayweather is faster and more accurate.

Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory.

[Taeth]

I think if they were equal size, which they almost are, I would say Mayweather's speed would play a larger factor, IMO Marquez being smaller is only an advantage for him because he will proportionally faster.

Also IMO Oscar's jab didn't trouble Mayweather that much, he really wasn't able to land it effectively all night, and Mayweather countered it plenty of times and landed his own jab more, and even though Marquez is a superior boxer to Oscar, he will never have a jab like Oscar's, not as hard(even p4p) not as long, not as accurate.

Marquez was able to counter Pacquiao because Pacquiao is out of position a lot, and MArquez is an extremely aggressive counter puncher, also he used a lot of footwork that really bothered Pacquiao, he really messed with Manny's distance which is of the greatest importance for Pacquiao to get off punches effectively.

I don't think Marquez will be weighing 10 more pounds than he ever has, he usually comes in slighly over 140, which is what Mayweather weighed when he fought at 135. I think their weights will be relatively similar, their size won't be drastically different. I am guessing Mayweather will weigh only as much more than Marquez as Pacquiao did in their second fight.

How did Mayweather hardly take advantage of Hatton's lack of head movement? How many flush right hands did he land? Or check left hooks? Hatton did alright, but he wasn't able to land anything, Mayweather defended against what he threw and countered off the ropes well. Obviously Manny beat Hatton faster, but Mayweather beat Hatton without losing a round as well. Regardless the most important fact of Mayweather vs Marquez and Pacquiao vs Marquez is that Mayweather gets off faster than Pacquiao, their speed might be even, and Pacquiao might be faster once he gets his punches going in combinations, but Mayweather gets off faster which means he can land a jab or right hand faster than Pacquiao can land anything, it might not be as hard, but it will get there faster, and Mayweather doesn't have to get out of position to deliver with that sort of speed whereas Pacquiao needs to sacrific balance to throw his punches which is what Marquez could capitalize on.

[CutMeMick]

Faster: easily PBF
Accuracy: JMM

[JT Rock]

Faster: easily PBF
Accuracy: JMM

Curious what compubox says

[Bigdog1981]

Mayweather is faster,and more accuurate imo. I am not a Mayweather fan but think he is a step above JMM. I predict a late stoppage or very clear points win, JMM is'nt getting any younger and is smaller.Only way i see a JMM win is if Floyd shows up with ring rust.(But will be gunning for JMM but just dont see it).

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Okay 1st things 1st, Floyd never fought at 126

Secondly, this fight is a crock of shit. Im so disappointed that this fight is happening anywhere north of 140.

Some people have speculated about Marquez' power...?
Well I agree that there could be some marginal increase in his power since his 126/30 days but to be fair, Marquez has HAD to lay on the steak in his last couple of Wars. He's been forced to dig deep and bring on the KO'S. To me, that's a glaring testament to a subtle decline, if anything.

If i'm honest, Iv'e never been to good with assuming how a fighter will look at a new weight. I got it horribly wrong With Floyd at 154 and Pac at 147... Even Williams at 168. But with Marquez, im pretty sure there will be absolutely NO increases (let a lone advantages) in speed and power.

The scary thing about this fight, is that with Marquez' biggest asset being accuracy. How bad is he going to look against Floyd's unearthly timing and reflexes.

JT rock is spot on is assuming that Floyd holds all the advantages.

For me this fight does nothing for Boxing, or the P4P ratings.