Lyle's, Pick'em Hypothetical Fights

[ICB]

Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield:

Ken Norton had a tricky style and done well against boxers, Evander Holyfield may have his moments with his superior movement. But if Larry Holmes, Muhammad Ali, Jimmy Young, movement didn't trouble Ken Norton that much, then i can't see Evander Holyfield doing better.

Ken Norton has the power advantage and his style may of been, a bit too tricky for Evander Holyfield. But i can't really tell all i know is that it would of 100 percent, gone the distance.


Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe:

Simple maths here Riddick Bowe is 6'5, 81 inch reach, prime weight 230 pounds. Joe Frazier is 5'11, 73 inch reach, prime weight 205 pounds. Riddick Bowe is simply too big for Joe Frazier, Riddick Bowe by TKO round about the 8th.



Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210):

Honestly haven't seen that much of Jersey Joe Walcott, the fights i have seen of his he looks like a very skilled crafty fighter. But so is James Toney, it would probably be a chess match could go either way.

[El Kabong]

Good picks ICB, but may I remind you that Joe Frazier took a beating from the bigger man in Ali and still won his fair share of rounds. Also, Bowe did get rocked by a much lighter puncher in Evander Holyfield.

[Master]

Ken Norton - Evander Holyfield: Holyfield Pts.
Joe Fazier - Riddick Bowe: Bowe pts in an epic battle
Jersey Joe Walcott - James Toney (190-210): Jersey Joe too slick and experienced for Toney at this weight. He would not fall for the tricks of Toney as he invented most of them that Toney uses. Pts victory Walcott.

[El Kabong]

I've finally thought up some new fights

Vasiliy Jirov-Tomaz Adamek (cruiserweight) - I think Jirov was probably the best cruiserweight post-Holyfield and Adamek is coming closer to matching Jirov's domination with each passing fight. I think Jirov can hurt Adamek and end up winning the fight. Your thoughts?

Kelly Pavlik-Steve Collins (160) -Kelly has been in with several different types of fighters and he's been hurt by a guy like Jermain Taylor who has below average power and I think constant pressure applied by a guy like Steve Collins could burst Pavlik's pipes.

Joe Louis-Sonny Liston - An intriguing match between two of the most devistating power punchers the heavyweight division has ever seen. Louis was apt to get knocked down, but he was only stopped twice 1 gas out and 1 vicious KO at the hands of Rocky Marciano at the tail end of his career. Liston was easy to hit, but was very dangerous.

Felix Trinidad-Mike McCallum (154) - Both quality fighters who were excellent at what they did Tito with his power punching and McCallum with the work to the body. I am not sure how Trinidad would react to the body shots that Mac could dish out.

[Spicoli]

Nice ones Lyle.

Jirov/Adamek:Have to go with Jirov.Not a sharp straight right thats able to get to Adamek but just a rough and tumble fight.Both are far to willing to mix it up but Jirov cagey,mixes inside very well and that body work is an early investment.

Pavlik/Collins:Collins was a steady drip and as solid as they came.Way too much experience in deep fights for Kelly I believe.

Louis/Liston: Oh man this is just x rated.That jab would be hell on Louis early on and could see him being badly hurt.But in the end I think he finds a way and brings Liston some doubts with the late power surge for a win.

McCallum/Trinidad:Will not ever....eveeeeeeer bet against a primed Body snatcher at 154.Tito carried the weight well but McCallum would tie him in knots.Beard was very solid and could see him being countered repeatedly as he became more wide open for a McCallum TKO.

[OumaFan]

I'm gonna hijack and throw in a mythical fight I think could have been kind of awesome

Tommy Morrison vs Smokin Bert Cooper

[El Kabong]

Good in depth analysis Spicoli, I see those fights going much the same way.

Ouma, that's a tough one to call, Tommy could crack but could he handle Cooper's power

[johnmaff36]

Good in depth analysis Spicoli, I see those fights going much the same way.

Van, that's a tough one to call, Tommy could crack but could he handle Cooper's power

You have some great matches there Lyle but i cant help thinking in your haste to add more,you havent thought one through. Bruno v Ruddock? Bruno was handpicked every poor/mediocre/finished fighter out there until he got title fights,by which stage he HAD to fight someone with some kinda pedigree. God knows, the likes of poor jerry quarry must be spinning in his grave at the kinda guys who could call themselves world champion, like Bruno and Ruiz and half those eastern bloc champions. I remember as a kid, Bruno fought a guy called Jumbo Cummings whose claim to fame was a draw with a near 40yr old joe frazier, and he had Bruno in serious trouble in the first. that was only a few fights from Brunos 1st world title fight. Ruddock was in a different league to Bruno. 1st or maybe 2nd round knockout at the most with no count needed. No question. Keep up the good work my friend

[El Kabong]

Thanks for the compliments....but I DID think of Bruno vs Ruddock, it's on page 2 . Those two fighters in general peak my intrest in these hypothetical fights as they are the stereotypical big power no chin fighters so if you pair them either against a pure boxer or another big slugger then you still have no idea what would happen....for example either of them vs Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer, or Andrew Golota would be tough to call.

[HattonTheHammer]

Thanks for the compliments....but I DID think of Bruno vs Ruddock, it's on page 2 . Those two fighters in general peak my intrest in these hypothetical fights as they are the stereotypical big power no chin fighters so if you pair them either against a pure boxer or another big slugger then you still have no idea what would happen....for example either of them vs Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer, or Andrew Golota would be tough to call.

ruddock in his prime would of run rings around bruno as would of moorer.

Bruno relied solely on that big overhand right. As long as you were able to combat that with a gameplan 9/10 you would beat bruno

[El Kabong]

Ruddock didn't always stay in the best of shape either

[johnmaff36]

Thanks for the compliments....but I DID think of Bruno vs Ruddock, it's on page 2 . Those two fighters in general peak my intrest in these hypothetical fights as they are the stereotypical big power no chin fighters so if you pair them either against a pure boxer or another big slugger then you still have no idea what would happen....for example either of them vs Shannon Briggs, Michael Moorer, or Andrew Golota would be tough to call.

I know you thought of Bruno v Ruddock, thats why i replied. What i was getting at was expressing surprise at the suggestion that it would be a pick'em fight. In my mind its a no-brainer. Ruddock wouldnt break sweat knocking out Bruno

[El Kabong]

OH, well it was Ruddock's ability to underacheive in spots that really got me thinking. In all honesty Ruddock should have beaten Morrison and Mike Tyson, but he came up short vs both guys in 3 fights no less.

[Spicoli]

OH, well it was Ruddock's ability to underacheive in spots that really got me thinking. In all honesty Ruddock should have beaten Morrison and Mike Tyson, but he came up short vs both guys in 3 fights no less.

Thats just it.Save for wins over Dokes and Smith,Ruddock lost the big 'name' fights.And his record had more than enough padding.I dont think a win over Bruno would be a gimme at all.After the Dokes win he bought into being a one punch fighter,forgot the righthand,jab became more a probe and was all about 'whys everyone ducking me'.

[Master]

OH, well it was Ruddock's ability to underacheive in spots that really got me thinking. In all honesty Ruddock should have beaten Morrison and Mike Tyson, but he came up short vs both guys in 3 fights no less.

Thats just it.Save for wins over Dokes and Smith,Ruddock lost the big 'name' fights.And his record had more than enough padding.I dont think a win over Bruno would be a gimme at all.After the Dokes win he bought into being a one punch fighter,forgot the righthand,jab became more a probe and was all about 'whys everyone ducking me'.

I would have loved seeing Rudduck fight Holyfield that would have been good because Holyfield would be crazy enough to walk through that smash that Razzor had and beat him in an epic fight.