Hopkins and RJJ go at it on podcast!!

[blegit]

I used to side with BHop on this but now after actually hearing the conversation between the two instead reading quotes its clear that BHop knows even RJJ at this point doesn't bode well with his style. Saying Dawson or Adamek would be a better fight is useless to counter with because BHop said he would take the RJJ fight if he can get 60% but BHop doesn't want the fight if 60% goes to the winner. He is either very uncertain of himself and/or he just wants to avoid the fight by way of overpricing.

[Fenster]

That was worth the listen

Hopkins made himself look like a complete mug. He was on that show to promote Diaz-Powderpuff yet ended up putting the phone down before fully plugging it and his time was up.

Hopkins just showed LEGACY means fuck-all compared to money. If he really wanted to avenge the loss to Jones why not make the fight? The way Hopkins carries on anyone would think he has the win over Jones.

[Fenster]

[I]"He's having the best time he's ever had in his life at 44 yrs old, cause when we were in our primes Bernard couldn't eat because I was there, so now its his time to eat so let him eat, I'm not trying to stop him from eating, leave him alone, let him enjoy himself. He wants to enjoy that, he wants to live off legacies, i don't care about a legacy. Long as I beat him I'm cool so I don't worry 'bout it. People can say Bernard is p4p the best ever long as when they look at your legacy it will have an "L" by my name"

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You can't beat that.

[Mar]

...have a tournament with all these old fighters let them fight it out and them make them all retire. Hopkins is a guy who out of his last six has lost three, while jones is beating up on omar freakin shieka and others not much better and neither can beat calzaghe. This retarded argument is about 10 years too late. I'd like to see both go away, and take holyfield and james toney with you. Anything other than either of them saying they want to fight dawson is just blah blah blah...

[Gandalf]

That was worth the listen

Hopkins made himself look like a complete mug. He was on that show to promote Diaz-Powderpuff yet ended up putting the phone down before fully plugging it and his time was up.

Hopkins just showed LEGACY means fuck-all compared to money. If he really wanted to avenge the loss to Jones why not make the fight? The way Hopkins carries on anyone would think he has the win over Jones.

Too right.

Hopkins looked like a prize prat. Jones is obviously in boxing because he likes it, Hopkins is an old git doing it for pay days. Take the fight BHop, after all if you win you have 60%.

But then again, he isn't so sure of himself at all is he now?

[OumaFan]

Pfft, beating Roy at this point wouldn't do anything for his legacy anyway. Nobody would act like they were really even, like Bernard's win now would be equivalent to Roy's win, and rightfully so, it wouldn't be a big deal.

Beating Adamek for example would do more legacy wise.

And Miles, seriously? Jones is in it for the money. That's exactly why he wants Bernard.

[Fenster]

That was worth the listen

Hopkins made himself look like a complete mug. He was on that show to promote Diaz-Powderpuff yet ended up putting the phone down before fully plugging it and his time was up.

Hopkins just showed LEGACY means fuck-all compared to money. If he really wanted to avenge the loss to Jones why not make the fight? The way Hopkins carries on anyone would think he has the win over Jones.

Too right.

Hopkins looked like a prize prat. Jones is obviously in boxing because he likes it, Hopkins is an old git doing it for pay days. Take the fight BHop, after all if you win you have 60%.

But then again, he isn't so sure of himself at all is he now?

I don't think Hopkins is scared to face Roy again.

I honestly think he would see getting paid MORE than him a bigger victory than actually winning the fight.

[Fenster]

Pfft, beating Roy at this point wouldn't do anything for his legacy anyway. Nobody would act like they were really even, like Bernard's win now would be equivalent to Roy's win, and rightfully so, it wouldn't be a big deal.

Beating Adamek for example would do more legacy wise.

And Miles, seriously? Jones is in it for the money. That's exactly why he wants Bernard.

Yeah but it would be great if Roy beat him again, i'd be able to read people saying Roy beat Hopkins when he was too green and too old but would have never beat him in his prime

[OumaFan]

Its more of a lose-lose for Bernard than it is Roy. Bernard has more options than Roy in general, and the outcome of a second Roy fight could do more to make Bernard look bad than it does good. A loss to a shot Roy, his second loss to Roy would look bad. A win, meh, its a shot Roy and it doesn't make them equal since Roy had the more important win. If Bernard could truly get revenge over Roy it might be different, assuming he cares about that which he probably does, but that's not really the case here.

Bernard is a smart guy, unless this comes out to be clearly more money than he would make somewhere else he'll probably look elsewhere.

Would people really rather see this than Bernard-Adamek, or Bernard-Dawson? Not that I think he'll fight Dawson but you never know.

[Gandalf]

Its more of a lose-lose for Bernard than it is Roy. Bernard has more options than Roy in general, and the outcome of a second Roy fight could do more to make Bernard look bad than it does good. A loss to a shot Roy, his second loss to Roy would look bad. A win, meh, its a shot Roy and it doesn't make them equal since Roy had the more important win. If Bernard could truly get revenge over Roy it might be different, assuming he cares about that which he probably does, but that's not really the case here.

Bernard is a smart guy, unless this comes out to be clearly more money than he would make somewhere else he'll probably look elsewhere.

Would people really rather see this than Bernard-Adamek, or Bernard-Dawson? Not that I think he'll fight Dawson but you never know.

I don't really see the Hopkins options you see, nor see them as winning options.

Adamak would likely bloody Hopkins for the first time proper and Dawson would or should outwork him.

They are not big money fights for anyone.

Jones Hopkins would actually generate some interest and a little bit of money. And I dont see Hopkins having his own way at all. Hopkins isn't all that at all. Especially at 45. Pretty sad seeing him go on this long really. The whole legend thing is not for me at all, especially having such issues with Taylor and calling out everyone over 170 when they should be at 160.

[Fenster]

Surely a legacy looks better if you beat the guys that beat you?

Roy has been in HBO PPVs with Calzaghe and Tito over the past few years. Dawson and Adamek can't be half as big a name to that audience?

Dawson can't get recognised in his own street and Hopkins/Golden Boy thought Adamek was worth about $250,000 when they started negotiations, right?

[OumaFan]

Money yeah sadly enough it probably would be the biggest money fight, by how much I guess is the question.

Legacy no I just don't buy that. Yes it helps your legacy when you beat a guy you lost to but these are different circumstances, when Roy's got in with an elite or eliteish guy in the last 4 or 5 years he's gotten mauled. Bernard would be the object of ridicule if he lost this. Adamek is the man at Cruiserweight and weight jumps always help. Dawson's one of the best young fighters in the sport. Those are certainly bigger wins than Roy now, either guy would handle Roy for what its worth.

[Fenster]

Money yeah sadly enough it probably would be the biggest money fight, by how much I guess is the question.

Legacy no I just don't buy that. Yes it helps your legacy when you beat a guy you lost to but these are different circumstances, when Roy's got in with an elite or eliteish guy in the last 4 or 5 years he's gotten mauled. Bernard would be the object of ridicule if he lost this. Adamek is the man at Cruiserweight and weight jumps always help. Dawson's one of the best young fighters in the sport. Those are certainly bigger wins than Roy now, either guy would handle Roy for what its worth.

From a hardcore boxing fans perspective they would be more significant wins, but i'm surprised from a fighters view he wouldn't want to reverse a defeat.

Even if Hopkins is considered the best P4P in history he still has a loss to Jones (like Roy said).

Lets be real though - Hopkins doesn't really give a shit about legacy, he's looking for the biggest (winnable) money fights. I'm sure he would fight Jones if he could get a guarantee on his wonga.

[OumaFan]

I totally disagree that he "doesn't give a shit about his legacy", but I think we've had this debate before and I don't want to get too much into it again, I agree money comes first but I find it hard to believe that a guy like Hopkins doesn't care about his legacy at all.

I'm sure most guys would like to erase their losses but I suspect Hopkins knows Roy is a bit of a lose-lose fight for him. Outside of the money of course. If its just a lot more money he'll probably take it. I can't see the demand being that great though.

[Fenster]

I totally disagree that he "doesn't give a shit about his legacy", but I think we've had this debate before and I don't want to get too much into it again, I agree money comes first but I find it hard to believe that a guy like Hopkins doesn't care about his legacy at all.

I'm sure most guys would like to erase their losses but I suspect Hopkins knows Roy is a bit of a lose-lose fight for him. Outside of the money of course. If its just a lot more money he'll probably take it. I can't see the demand being that great though.

Of course he cares about his legacy, but not at the expense of earning money (like all/most fighters).

He just told Roy in that radio interview he will fight him before christmas if he accepts 40%.

So what happened to these great legacy fights against Dawson and Adamek? That legacy shit was soon booted out the door.