Pacquiao and drugs

[hitmanhatton]

And it seems people are forgetting how he cheated against Marquez by coming overweight and refusing to be weigh in during the fight.

It was clear that Marquez could hardly hurt Gayweather. I amost cried for marquez that time coz I know he was being cheated. He was like hitting a brick wall while gayweather increasingly gained confidence coz he knows marquez could not hurt him.

And gayweather has the courage to claim that he's the best in boxing history.

He's clearly afraid of big punchers so he's trying his best to avoid Pac.

The steroid thing is just his diversionary technique to avoid the fight. FACT.

How is it a diversionary technique? It's only a diversionary technique if Manny is in fact on PEDs because then Manny won't wanna be tested and won't fight. Mayweather has the courage to prove that he's completely clean and Manny does not apparently. This isn't the 80s, people wanna know more than ever if their favorite athletes are clean. Fact of the matter is that BOTH guys could be on PEDs and we wouldn't know it because the NSAC commission urine testing is a complete joke and anybody that fails it doesn't really know PEDs. The difference is that Mayweather knows how big a deal PED use is in America because he's here all the time, so he's willing to take the tests. Manny is not. Let me ask you a question man, do you care if Manny is REALLY clean or not? There is no good urine tests for HGH and EPO is out of your system in days. This talking about taking blood 30 days before the fight that Manny's team suggested is even a bigger indicator that something is up. To someone that doesn't know shit about PEDs, you'd say "well he's agreed to give blood" but if you do know even the smallest info about PEDs then you'd know that 30 days is NOTHING for someone that understands PEDs. An experienced PEDs user would pass a 30 day pre fight and post fight urine and blood test 99% percent of the time. Plus, some of the other new age PEDs can't even be tested by urine. So really you don't know if Manny is clean. It's the RANDOM blood tests that catch guys. I don't know if Mayweather is clean either but he's willing to take the tests. Manny is not. Do you care if Manny is actually clean? Or don't you?

Do you wanna know Juan Manuel Lopez is actually clean? Or don't you? Why don't you ask that question to yourself first since Juanma is scheduled to fight about 2 months earlier before the proposed Pac-May fight? Why wont you voice your concern there first? Juanma has unbelievable stamina, chin, and power. fighting 122, 126, and 130 lbs in 1 year. He could be hiding something too.

ermmm no

he has fought at 122 only so far and is set to make his debut at 126 in january ..... dont just try and make up facts

[albsur2006]

And it seems people are forgetting how he cheated against Marquez by coming overweight and refusing to be weigh in during the fight.

It was clear that Marquez could hardly hurt Gayweather. I amost cried for marquez that time coz I know he was being cheated. He was like hitting a brick wall while gayweather increasingly gained confidence coz he knows marquez could not hurt him.

And gayweather has the courage to claim that he's the best in boxing history.

He's clearly afraid of big punchers so he's trying his best to avoid Pac.

The steroid thing is just his diversionary technique to avoid the fight. FACT.

How is it a diversionary technique? It's only a diversionary technique if Manny is in fact on PEDs because then Manny won't wanna be tested and won't fight. Mayweather has the courage to prove that he's completely clean and Manny does not apparently. This isn't the 80s, people wanna know more than ever if their favorite athletes are clean. Fact of the matter is that BOTH guys could be on PEDs and we wouldn't know it because the NSAC commission urine testing is a complete joke and anybody that fails it doesn't really know PEDs. The difference is that Mayweather knows how big a deal PED use is in America because he's here all the time, so he's willing to take the tests. Manny is not. Let me ask you a question man, do you care if Manny is REALLY clean or not? There is no good urine tests for HGH and EPO is out of your system in days. This talking about taking blood 30 days before the fight that Manny's team suggested is even a bigger indicator that something is up. To someone that doesn't know shit about PEDs, you'd say "well he's agreed to give blood" but if you do know even the smallest info about PEDs then you'd know that 30 days is NOTHING for someone that understands PEDs. An experienced PEDs user would pass a 30 day pre fight and post fight urine and blood test 99% percent of the time. Plus, some of the other new age PEDs can't even be tested by urine. So really you don't know if Manny is clean. It's the RANDOM blood tests that catch guys. I don't know if Mayweather is clean either but he's willing to take the tests. Manny is not. Do you care if Manny is actually clean? Or don't you?

Do you wanna know Juan Manuel Lopez is actually clean? Or don't you? Why don't you ask that question to yourself first since Juanma is scheduled to fight about 2 months earlier before the proposed Pac-May fight? Why wont you voice your concern there first? Juanma has unbelievable stamina, chin, and power. fighting 122, 126, and 130 lbs in 1 year. He could be hiding something too.

Yeah, I'd love to know if ALL my favorite fighters are TRULY clean but the opportunity hasn't arisen for some of the them. I've always known the NSAC testing system is a joke but for my favorite fighters I just assume that they are clean. But in this case, my favorite fighter Mayweather is proving that he is clean, while one of my other favorite's Pacquiao is not. If you're asking me would I rather see them fight without the USADA testing then see them not fight at all. I'll tell you that I'd rather see the fight and hope that both guys are clean. But the fact that Manny does not wanna take the test is a huge red flag. You can bring up whatever other boxers and what not but that's not important really. Juanma's opponent could ask for USADA testing but he don't care. In this case with so much on the line, so much legacy on the line, Mayweather wants to prove he's clean and know that he's facing a clean guy in the ring. Why in the hell would ANY boxing fan be against that? Maybe this would have set a GOOD precedent and other big fights would start to have it. The point of the matter is that if Zab Judah tests positive for PEDs, really I don't care that much because of his impact on the sport, if Floyd or Manny tests positive, that's just a MUCH bigger deal. That would be like Lebron James, Peyton Manning, Tiger Woods, testing positive in their respective sports. Nobody really cares about Juanma right now because he's not the face of the sport. Floyd and Manny are. It's a completely different stage and a completely different set of responsibilities. These guys have to understand that the public has the right to say anything they want and they can prove the public wrong or not. Floyd is willing too. Manny is not.

[ElTerribleMorales]

And it seems people are forgetting how he cheated against Marquez by coming overweight and refusing to be weigh in during the fight.

It was clear that Marquez could hardly hurt Gayweather. I amost cried for marquez that time coz I know he was being cheated. He was like hitting a brick wall while gayweather increasingly gained confidence coz he knows marquez could not hurt him.

And gayweather has the courage to claim that he's the best in boxing history.

He's clearly afraid of big punchers so he's trying his best to avoid Pac.

The steroid thing is just his diversionary technique to avoid the fight. FACT.

How is it a diversionary technique? It's only a diversionary technique if Manny is in fact on PEDs because then Manny won't wanna be tested and won't fight. Mayweather has the courage to prove that he's completely clean and Manny does not apparently. This isn't the 80s, people wanna know more than ever if their favorite athletes are clean. Fact of the matter is that BOTH guys could be on PEDs and we wouldn't know it because the NSAC commission urine testing is a complete joke and anybody that fails it doesn't really know PEDs. The difference is that Mayweather knows how big a deal PED use is in America because he's here all the time, so he's willing to take the tests. Manny is not. Let me ask you a question man, do you care if Manny is REALLY clean or not? There is no good urine tests for HGH and EPO is out of your system in days. This talking about taking blood 30 days before the fight that Manny's team suggested is even a bigger indicator that something is up. To someone that doesn't know shit about PEDs, you'd say "well he's agreed to give blood" but if you do know even the smallest info about PEDs then you'd know that 30 days is NOTHING for someone that understands PEDs. An experienced PEDs user would pass a 30 day pre fight and post fight urine and blood test 99% percent of the time. Plus, some of the other new age PEDs can't even be tested by urine. So really you don't know if Manny is clean. It's the RANDOM blood tests that catch guys. I don't know if Mayweather is clean either but he's willing to take the tests. Manny is not. Do you care if Manny is actually clean? Or don't you?

Do you wanna know Juan Manuel Lopez is actually clean? Or don't you? Why don't you ask that question to yourself first since Juanma is scheduled to fight about 2 months earlier before the proposed Pac-May fight? Why wont you voice your concern there first? Juanma has unbelievable stamina, chin, and power. fighting 122, 126, and 130 lbs in 1 year. He could be hiding something too.

Juanma has only fought in one weight class, his stamina was shit the last time out, and he was rocked plenty

he didn't fly up from 106 to 147, get rocked badly by the likes of Larios, Morales, Marquez, and others then be able to take flush shots by a natural welterweight

[JT Rock]

I'm sure Mayweather retired to avoid Cotto. He avoided Margarito, it's written in boxing history. There was the story that he also tried to avoid Mosley. To summarize my theory: gayweather is afraid of anyone who could take his 0 loss.

This kind of bullshit really ruins the property value around here

[Nameless]

PAcquiao wants no test with a window size of a week before the fight. Fact.

ONe week on a Ped's user is an eternity to get the stuff to be blown from your blood when you're a specialist of the matter (or have one to work for you). Fact.

No matter how much GBP are hypocrite or Top Rank shit ass dog, anybody who's un-guilty and SOO willing to fight PBF would accept that kind of test on a whim for a juicy 30-40 millions. Fact.

The fact that Pacman refused a normal test, try to diverse the attention to a lawsuit is a bit suspicious to even dead and blind man (even if it is, to this stage, ONLY suspicions). Fact.

[DC Amateur Boxing]

thank you bro. I'll be waiting for a reply that says this kind of testing has been done before.

For now, while no one can tell me about this testing being done on a pro fight, my belief stands true: Mayweather is AFRAID of Pac.

You may be right. No pro fight has had this testing, but no pro fight will make as much money as this fight either. Plus what athlete that doesn't have anything to hide would take this fight? Pac's excuse was just a bad one that shows it's complete bullshit. He's got tattoos and has take blood tests before!!! There's photos and video of both. He just f'ed up by letting Arum say he's scared of needles and with Freddie Roach saying that he would take any test they wanted. lol. Any idiot can see they are really in a bad spot and the only way out without tarnishing his name is to 1) take the tests 2) give up the HGH and EPO that he's been taking and 3) get his ass whooped by Mayweather. LMAO.

[pacQ]

MP should not go on with the FMjr fight and let floyd jr. out dry no $$$. floyd's reportedly having financial problems >
Opinion: Pacquiao-Mayweather Fight Will Happen In and Outside The Ring <. this plus the impending lawsuit will matter most.

[Nameless]

MP should not go on with the FMjr fight and let floyd jr. out dry no $$$. floyd's reportedly having financial problems >
Opinion: Pacquiao-Mayweather Fight Will Happen In and Outside The Ring <. this plus the impending lawsuit will matter most.

The lawsuit is against his father plus he should do the fight and prove he's not guilty.

[Gandalf]

It's a bit daft to say that Manny should not take the test and avoid the fight just in order to stop Mayweather making a big payday. Both of these fighters need each other to make this kind of cash. Just as it's true that Mayweather won't make $30m+ fighting Matthew Hatton, it is also apparent that Manny is not going to make $30m+ fighting Malignaggi or Bradley either.

Again, it's a weak argument and again skirts the simple fact that Manny will not allow himself to be randomly tested for drugs.

[pacQ]

MP should not go on with the FMjr fight and let floyd jr. out dry no $$$. floyd's reportedly having financial problems >
Opinion: Pacquiao-Mayweather Fight Will Happen In and Outside The Ring <. this plus the impending lawsuit will matter most.

The lawsuit is against his father plus he should do the fight and prove he's not guilty.

the accuser has the burden of proof!

innocent until proven guilty.

NOT TRIAL BY PUBLICITY.

one guy said its mayweather senior's opinion! harharhar its an accusation. so off to court you go!!!

[Snakey]

Timothy Bradley even said this test is crazy. LOL.

I personally don't know of any professional fighter who has done that kind of test during a championship fight.

This makes it crazier.


Gayweather must be very frightened of the Pacman.

History says that no professional boxer have ever performed that kind of test.

thank you bro. I'll be waiting for a reply that says this kind of testing has been done before.

For now, while no one can tell me about this testing being done on a pro fight, my belief stands true: Mayweather is AFRAID of Pac.

How can you even say mayweather is afraid of anything when your boy is afraid of a tiny needle?

[albsur2006]

MP should not go on with the FMjr fight and let floyd jr. out dry no $$$. floyd's reportedly having financial problems >
Opinion: Pacquiao-Mayweather Fight Will Happen In and Outside The Ring <. this plus the impending lawsuit will matter most.

The lawsuit is against his father plus he should do the fight and prove he's not guilty.

the accuser has the burden of proof!

innocent until proven guilty.

NOT TRIAL BY PUBLICITY.

one guy said its mayweather senior's opinion! harharhar its an accusation. so off to court you go!!!

So once again, you'd rather see Pacquiao take Mayweather to court (in case that no judge would give Manny a judgment on) instead of Manny taking a couple blood tests and being involved in the biggest fight in history? This is what I don't understand about some of you guys, if Manny is clean, WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF HE TAKES A COUPLE BLOOD TESTS?!?! Mayweather is taking them too. Pacquiao has given blood (not for PED testing) during training before, we have video proof of this. What is yall guy's beef with the additional testing? It'd be different if Pacquiao was the only one burdened with the extra testing but Mayweather himself has to take the testing too.

[Manju]

Pac fans need to get out of their bubble and realize their man is threading on some very very dangerous ground here and is unnecessarily tarnishing his reputation. When the general public and mainstream press start to weigh in, its very unlikely they'll blame the man who is asking for the stricter testing standards. Doping is a major global issue and most fans are simply disgusted by those (like the mlb player's union) who've enabled this cheating. Pac does not want to be an the same side as Nevada officials who have knowingly kept standards low. He's absolutely on the wrong side of history here.

There's simply no excuse for avoiding olympic style testing and Pac's ever shifting excuses (afraid of needles, disruption of his training schedule, mental weakness, and USADA bias) makes him sound like a guilty man to the unbiased observer, even though he's probably not. To make matters worse, PBF has dropped the USADA requirement, and he still won't agree to fight. Try explaining to the average person that an athlete should be allowed to avoid a standard drug test simply because he "feels" it weakens him. Doesn't pass the smell test and frankly the charges of USADA bias appear to be an excuse too.

On top of all that, PBF has agreed to a 50/50 split, the date Pac wanted, and the unusual weight (I didn't remember Leonard telling the bigger hearns there must be a lower welterweight limit) coupled with a 10million per pound fee. Plus, the defamation suit woin't help since the standard to defame a public figure in the US, where the first amendment is the critical principle, is so high he has virtually no chance of winning.

Pac is on the cusp of boxing greatness. If the fight doesn't materialize because he refused olympic-style testing, history will judge him a coward or worse.

[KKisser]

it's all about control. if pac gave in just like that they will be giving leverage to the mayweathers. they will eventually work around it where it would be by mutual agreement to do a different but still effective test and it would be random. just wait and see. in the meantime, forums and headlines are abuzz talking about this shit. lol

[brucelee]

History says that no professional boxer have ever performed that kind of test.

thank you bro. I'll be waiting for a reply that says this kind of testing has been done before.

For now, while no one can tell me about this testing being done on a pro fight, my belief stands true: Mayweather is AFRAID of Pac.

How can you even say mayweather is afraid of anything when your boy is afraid of a tiny needle?

LOL. Everybody's afraid of needles bro especially when it's used to get some blood.

Of course, VD is not afraid of needles especially when he's putting some shabu on it.lol