Do you think Pacquiao is a drugs cheat?

[generalbulldog]

The truth is no one knows except him and his camp. Hell it's possible floyd is using for all it's worth. But pac's actions sure look shady...

Well said. Any mofo in this sport could be using, but the spotlight is in Pac's corner now, and it doesn't look good.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

I would definitely hope not for the sake of the Filipino people and boxing but nothing would surprise me when millions of pounds are at stake. The arguments that have been made about Manny moving through the weights could be used against Floyd also, Snr seems to be very verbal about peds and roids, maybe he knows of other fighters using and cant believe that Manny can be on the same athletic level as his own son or maybe Floyd Jnr is on a new ped that's not on the olympic testing radar yet. It has been very interesting reading some of the links on this board regarding peds, there seems to be new drugs that are being developed all the time and the testers are always one step behind, with millions of pounds at stake for all the big fights you could not bet that all the fights would be olympic clean, who knows how many top boxers are using. Do I think Manny's a user, no I just think he is a freak of nature just like Jnr, both should be made to supply urine daily and blood every three days, until 7 days, out then just urine and blood straight after the fight, then we might have a clean fight, you gotta think though, these old great boxers from many years ago when there where no tests at all, could of been taking all sorts of stimulants.

It's pretty obvious The Flips know he's juicing. Which is why they all have banded together in an attempt to hide the truth.

Everything you say is verbal diarea!

[pacQ]

no

[JJson]

Well it matters not if all other fighters are using PEDs. All other fighters are not in this negotiation. This is about MP and PBF. If the consensus is that all other boxers as using roids as an enhancement, the more reason to upgrade the testing process in a mega fight that will focus full attention on the issue

The supporters of MP have no leg to stand upon. It is looney to criticize PBF for raising bar that he also has to hurdle. If MP will be weakened by the taking of blood close to the fight, then so too will PBF. Perhaps there should be a condition that any ranom testing must be of both fighters at the same time.

This issue has become like Hans Christian Anderson's tale about the Emperor and his invisible garments. MP is the Emperor, and his trainer and promoter represent the tailor who has adorned him with magnificent garments that they claim can only be seen by the most knowledgeable of Boxing fans. PBF, GBP and PM represent the little kid standing and pointing at the Emperor's nakedness, and shouting this out for all to hear.

[Kirkland Laing]

Anybody who followed baseball through the steriod scandals can see the same pattern here. The outraged denials pointing to the fact that they'd never tested positive previously. The claims that the improved performance-weight gain was just down to hard work in the gym. The existence of a "personal trainer" who appeared the same time that the performance started to improve. The retreat behind lawyers, the issuing of lawsuits. The ridiculous excuses when facts come out, scared of needles, weakened by losing a teaspoon of blood etc. I've seen this movie before.