The Revaluation of Manny Pacquiao

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

The fact remains "Pacquiao is not fighting because of a drug test", if this was because of defamation of character the negotiations for the fight would not have even had a chance to start because Mayweather Sr.'s statement was made after the Hatton fight.

Indeed.

I just can't be ripping guys off my P4P list due to allegations, though. I recognize this and I do, in fact, think he's hiding something... But with no proof, I need to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's not fair to be witch hunting and tossing people into rivers to see if they float without proof. Do I deep down think he's taking PEDs? At this point in time... Yes. But again, thinking and knowing are two separate things.

I'm right there with you man, I have not accused him of taking PEDs, but I think I have made my suspicions brought about by his reactions clear. I'm accusing him of backing out of a fight, choosing the courtroom instead of the ring.

Agreed. He's dropping points every day with me as this goes on... and by that I mean respect wise...

[arcanum26]

I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.

I'm telling you man, if you're disillusioned, think about how millions of filipino pac supporters are feeling right now. I mean now that manny and his camp are resorting to all kinds of bs just to... hell I don't even know what they hope to accomplish with the path they're taking now. everything's going downhill for them and the steps they're taking aren't helping them out a bit.

I'm still rooting for manny, no doubt about that. Hope he gets through all of this and the tests if they're ever made comes out negative for both of them. I'm not saying this because I want him to be an ATG or even the GOAT. Just thinking about all the poor sods back here in the philippines who's going to get shattered when they learn that their people's champ isn't what they thought he'd be. Sadly, that includes me..

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I also have become disillusioned with Pacquiao's bizare refusal to submit to random blood test.
Everyone just wants a fair fight.

I'm telling you man, if you're disillusioned, think about how millions of filipino pac supporters are feeling right now. I mean now that manny and his camp are resorting to all kinds of bs just to... hell I don't even know what they hope to accomplish with the path they're taking now. everything's going downhill for them and the steps they're taking aren't helping them out a bit.

I'm still rooting for manny, no doubt about that. Hope he gets through all of this and the tests if they're ever made comes out negative for both of them. I'm not saying this because I want him to be an ATG or even the GOAT. Just thinking about all the poor sods back here in the philippines who's going to get shattered when they learn that their people's champ isn't what they thought he'd be. Sadly, that includes me..

I agree with ya, man.

Interesting note-

I left my RING magazine on my desk at work today that I picked up last night. I don't know if you guys have it yet but the cover pictures Manny with a title "The Secret of Manny's Magic"

Someone, while I was away from my desk, put a sticky note right under the title that simply says, "PEDs".

Now, there's no one at my workplay that is more then a casual boxing fan. This is now hitting the mainstream and waves are being made.

I'm not happy about it one bit.

[boozeboxer]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

[Violent Demise]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

[boozeboxer]

The ignorance on this forum has no limits. I'll just chill and continue

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

[Violent Demise]

you respond with a picture of a man fishing?

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

Is it possible for one to actually dedicated themselves full time to school for an extended period of time and actually come out dumber than before? The old booze would of known I was fishing for flips

[josef4334]

The thread obviously went over your head. Looks like your time in school was spent more on the booze than anything else.

Obviously went over my head? It looks like the time I have been away you have spent driving a minivan and hating Pac playing gangster than anything else. I believe I have read and understood everything on this thread. I was just pointing out that if someone had responded to one of your posts with a gay ass picture of someone fishing, you would have responded negatively.

Is it possible for one to actually dedicated themselves full time to school for an extended period of time and actually come out dumber than before? The old booze would of known I was fishing for flips

at least he learned not to say "would of" and racist terms such as flips.

[amat]

Law school must rob you of the ability to grasp even the most obvious of sarcasm. Is that Booze or Bruce?

[Dizaster]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

[brucelee]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

[Gandalf]

I always been a massive Pacquiao fan. So it causes me great pain to see him pretty much expose himself as a fraud. Facts don't lie. And facts are he is refusing to take random tests. And he refusing to take them he's hiding something. He's hiding the fact that he's been taking performance enhancing drugs. Another fact. With that said, I can not in good conscious continue to rank Pacdruggie in my personal p4p ranking. I have to much respect for the sport of Boxing to do that. I've revised my rankings to the following

1.Floyd Mayweather
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Bernard Hopkins
4.Rafael Marquez
5.Shane Mosley
6.Juan Manuel Marquez
7.Hozumi Hasegawa
8.Israel Vazquez
9.Paul Williams
10.Celestino Caballero
11. Miguel Cotto

I had removed Cotto from my list originally. But since it's become pretty obvious he was beaten by a fighter taking illegal substances I decided to bring him back.

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

[brucelee]

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.

[brucelee]

With all the 'roids talk, you avoided being attacked for having Floyd number 1 in the first place...

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.

[generalbulldog]

Now that PACQUAIO has AGREED TO ALL KINDS OF TESTS, what will Gayweather do now?

So, VD being a big pacfan that you are, are you doing another evaluation on Pac. LOL

Mayweather is afraid of the PAC. FACT.

Since when has Manny agreed to Olympic style random blood testing?

I've watched it from a Philippine TV. Manny is saying that he will undergo any test.

So he says he will undergo the Olympic style drug testing? Is that correct?