AL Bernstein - Team Mayweather's....

[Dench]

who is manny to demand $10million from PBF for each pound over weight?

Cuts both ways doesn't it.

Floyd came in over weight against a legitimate lightweight on a 144lbs-fight. He shed 600,000USD to own Marquez's lone remaining advantage. Do you think Floyd will respect the weight limit of 147 vs Pacman? Well, theres a better chance of Tiger Woods becoming Pope than Floyd stepping up at 147 on weigh in.

[brucelee]

Here's an unbiased article also about this boxing mess.

Filipino Pride: The Main Reason Pacquiao Refuses Random Testing | Bleacher Report


Honestly, I'm so frustrated that I won't be able to see this once in a lifetime fight and I was blaming Manny for it but then that article once again reminded me that I am a Filipino.

As a Filipino, I can't blame Pac for that PRIDE which caused this fight to be called off. I know what that pride can do.

As a Filipino, I know that a Filipino's pride is more powerful than money and Mayweather should not have evoked that pride from Manny.

[cnote111]

@Bruce - Bout time you came to your senses... "Integrity" will always outweigh "Money"

Anyone can look at all my previous posts and i say more than once "Money" is not excuse for anything... The "American Way" is not always the right way...

[miron_lang]

@Bruce - Bout time you came to your senses... "Integrity" will always outweigh "Money"

Anyone can look at all my previous posts and i say more than once "Money" is not excuse for anything... The "American Way" is not always the right way...

Non Pinoys wont understand it.

But heck if its me I'll take the test i need the money. but its not me and Pac has Millions in dollars in revenues.


It's like offering Bill Gates 5B to do something he don't like doing. And Bill Gates is likely to take the money.

[Kirkland Laing]

So he didn't take the test because of pride now? It's not needle fear, superstition, or it makes him feel weak to give nine mils of blood anymore?

If he'd wanted to show the world he was clean and ram the steroid allegation down everybody's throats all he had to do was take the test. It wouldn't even have got much media coverage if he'd just agreed. His detractors, Mayweathers, Malinaggi etc. would have heard he was taking them and shut up, changed the subject. It actually would have been a massive psychological victory for Manny. But instead he did what every guilty steroid cheat in the past has done. His advisors would have told him that and that the best thing he could do was to take the test and if he refused he'd be forever smeared and unable to clear his name but he didn't. His actions are those of a guilty man.

[killersheep]

So he didn't take the test because of pride now? It's not needle fear, superstition, or it makes him feel weak to give nine mils of blood anymore?

If he'd wanted to show the world he was clean and ram the steroid allegation down everybody's throats all he had to do was take the test. It wouldn't even have got much media coverage if he'd just agreed. His detractors, Mayweathers, Malinaggi etc. would have heard he was taking them and shut up, changed the subject. It actually would have been a massive psychological victory for Manny. But instead he did what every guilty steroid cheat in the past has done. His advisors would have told him that and that the best thing he could do was to take the test and if he refused he'd be forever smeared and unable to clear his name but he didn't. His actions are those of a guilty man.

You are not a pinoy so you can't understand.

[Majesty]

@Bruce - Bout time you came to your senses... "Integrity" will always outweigh "Money"

Anyone can look at all my previous posts and i say more than once "Money" is not excuse for anything... The "American Way" is not always the right way...

Non Pinoys wont understand it.

But heck if its me I'll take the test i need the money. but its not me and Pac has Millions in dollars in revenues.


It's like offering Bill Gates 5B to do something he don't like doing. And Bill Gates is likely to take the money.

You must realize that just because someone's a millionaire doesn't mean the stop liking making money lol. Millionaires are always trying to become richer, they don't just stop because they're already rich.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

The Pacquiao/Mayweather debacle was caused by a clash of EGOS. One boxer wants to impose a new requirement & the other does not want to be imposed upon. Floyd did not request for the Olympic-style testing but demanded it. If he was after a level playing field, he should have agreed to have the fight in Dallas where xylocaine use is banned. This will give more credibility to his demand. Manny has the right to refuse the demand but by doing so, he should have known that it will put him under suspicion. But the pathetic & lame excuses that his team came up with were unbelievable. Although these are just my opinion, I believe that all will agree that both of them are at fault for not having the fight happen.
But can someone here please tell me who brought the negotiations about the blood testing out in the public. The fight may have been salvaged had they kept it private. Once it was brought out to the public, neither fighter would want to be upped by the other.

[miron_lang]

You are not a pinoy so you can't understand.

Im not saying its a good thing in this case. Pac should have taken the tests IMO. All im saying is i understand why he didnt. Different cultures different views.

[miron_lang]

@Bruce - Bout time you came to your senses... "Integrity" will always outweigh "Money"

Anyone can look at all my previous posts and i say more than once "Money" is not excuse for anything... The "American Way" is not always the right way...

Non Pinoys wont understand it.

But heck if its me I'll take the test i need the money. but its not me and Pac has Millions in dollars in revenues.


It's like offering Bill Gates 5B to do something he don't like doing. And Bill Gates is likely to take the money.

You must realize that just because someone's a millionaire doesn't mean the stop liking making money lol. Millionaires are always trying to become richer, they don't just stop because they're already rich.

I agree. But millionares wont do shit if they dont like the idea.

[brucelee]

Non Pinoys wont understand it.

But heck if its me I'll take the test i need the money. but its not me and Pac has Millions in dollars in revenues.


It's like offering Bill Gates 5B to do something he don't like doing. And Bill Gates is likely to take the money.

You must realize that just because someone's a millionaire doesn't mean the stop liking making money lol. Millionaires are always trying to become richer, they don't just stop because they're already rich.

I agree. But millionares wont do shit if they dont like the idea.

I agree. I won't do shit if I don't like the idea.

[CFH]

The Pacquiao/Mayweather debacle was caused by a clash of EGOS. One boxer wants to impose a new requirement & the other does not want to be imposed upon. Floyd did not request for the Olympic-style testing but demanded it. If he was after a level playing field, he should have agreed to have the fight in Dallas where xylocaine use is banned. This will give more credibility to his demand. Manny has the right to refuse the demand but by doing so, he should have known that it will put him under suspicion. But the pathetic & lame excuses that his team came up with were unbelievable. Although these are just my opinion, I believe that all will agree that both of them are at fault for not having the fight happen.
But can someone here please tell me who brought the negotiations about the blood testing out in the public. The fight may have been salvaged had they kept it private. Once it was brought out to the public, neither fighter would want to be upped by the other.

Good post. Welcome to the forum.

[Kirkland Laing]

The Pacquiao/Mayweather debacle was caused by a clash of EGOS. One boxer wants to impose a new requirement & the other does not want to be imposed upon. Floyd did not request for the Olympic-style testing but demanded it. If he was after a level playing field, he should have agreed to have the fight in Dallas where xylocaine use is banned. This will give more credibility to his demand. Manny has the right to refuse the demand but by doing so, he should have known that it will put him under suspicion. But the pathetic & lame excuses that his team came up with were unbelievable. Although these are just my opinion, I believe that all will agree that both of them are at fault for not having the fight happen.
But can someone here please tell me who brought the negotiations about the blood testing out in the public. The fight may have been salvaged had they kept it private. Once it was brought out to the public, neither fighter would want to be upped by the other.

If Floyd DEMANDED random testing then Manny DEMANDED ten million a pound fines and eight ounce gloves. If Manny had wanted to out-ego Floyd he could have just accepted the testing instantly and it would have shown Floyd he was in for what Cotto got. Yet he refused and handed Floyd a psychological victory. The blood testing thing was public knowledge a couple of days after Manny beat Cotto, I can remember reading it on boxing scene news thingy.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

The Pacquiao/Mayweather debacle was caused by a clash of EGOS. One boxer wants to impose a new requirement & the other does not want to be imposed upon. Floyd did not request for the Olympic-style testing but demanded it. If he was after a level playing field, he should have agreed to have the fight in Dallas where xylocaine use is banned. This will give more credibility to his demand. Manny has the right to refuse the demand but by doing so, he should have known that it will put him under suspicion. But the pathetic & lame excuses that his team came up with were unbelievable. Although these are just my opinion, I believe that all will agree that both of them are at fault for not having the fight happen.
But can someone here please tell me who brought the negotiations about the blood testing out in the public. The fight may have been salvaged had they kept it private. Once it was brought out to the public, neither fighter would want to be upped by the other.

If Floyd DEMANDED random testing then Manny DEMANDED ten million a pound fines and eight ounce gloves. If Manny had wanted to out-ego Floyd he could have just accepted the testing instantly and it would have shown Floyd he was in for what Cotto got. Yet he refused and handed Floyd a psychological victory. The blood testing thing was public knowledge a couple of days after Manny beat Cotto, I can remember reading it on boxing scene news thingy.

Now, you are making me defend Manny.
Floyd came in beyond the 144 lbs agreed weight limit in his fight with Marquez. He was at 146 lbs so he should have no problem staying within the 147 lbs limit with Manny. This reminds me of Corrales-Castillo II where Castillo came in overweight. They went on with the fight, Corrales loss & his team learned their lesson whereby his promoter vowed that there would not be another fight if Castillo again goes beyond the limit. Guess what, he is again overweight hence there was no third fight (BTW, Castillo's promoter is Bob Arum). Team Pacquiao learned that lesson hence the insertion of that fine in the contract (or would we rather have them put in a clause of No Fight if any of them goes above the limit). If Floyd had no intention of going beyond the weight limit, then I don't think five, ten or twenty million fine would be an issue.
I did not believe the report that Floyd was asking for a 10 oz gloves. Are you implying that it was a fact? Floyd can dictate the terms in his fight with Marquez & they fought using the 8 oz gloves. Why would he then request for a 10 oz gloves with Manny?
You said that Manny handed Floyd a psychological victory by refusing the blood test. Maybe so but I don't think everyone will agree with this. First of all, Manny agreed to some blood test which is already beyond what is required under the Nevada Boxing Commission, they just did not agree to the dates that they are to be taken. I have gone through different boxing forums before I decided to join here. What I have noticed in the Pacquiao website (I assume that almost all of them are Philippinos) is that majority of the posters there are backing up Manny for standing his ground. Who would he rather appease then, his countymen or the American & British boxing fans? In fact, a number of the American newspapers find fault in Mayweather.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

The Pacquiao/Mayweather debacle was caused by a clash of EGOS. One boxer wants to impose a new requirement & the other does not want to be imposed upon. Floyd did not request for the Olympic-style testing but demanded it. If he was after a level playing field, he should have agreed to have the fight in Dallas where xylocaine use is banned. This will give more credibility to his demand. Manny has the right to refuse the demand but by doing so, he should have known that it will put him under suspicion. But the pathetic & lame excuses that his team came up with were unbelievable. Although these are just my opinion, I believe that all will agree that both of them are at fault for not having the fight happen.
But can someone here please tell me who brought the negotiations about the blood testing out in the public. The fight may have been salvaged had they kept it private. Once it was brought out to the public, neither fighter would want to be upped by the other.

If Floyd DEMANDED random testing then Manny DEMANDED ten million a pound fines and eight ounce gloves. If Manny had wanted to out-ego Floyd he could have just accepted the testing instantly and it would have shown Floyd he was in for what Cotto got. Yet he refused and handed Floyd a psychological victory. The blood testing thing was public knowledge a couple of days after Manny beat Cotto, I can remember reading it on boxing scene news thingy.

Now, you are making me defend Manny.
Floyd came in beyond the 144 lbs agreed weight limit in his fight with Marquez. He was at 146 lbs so he should have no problem staying within the 147 lbs limit with Manny. This reminds me of Corrales-Castillo II where Castillo came in overweight. They went on with the fight, Corrales loss & his team learned their lesson whereby his promoter vowed that there would not be another fight if Castillo again goes beyond the limit. Guess what, he is again overweight hence there was no third fight (BTW, Castillo's promoter is Bob Arum). Team Pacquiao learned that lesson hence the insertion of that fine in the contract (or would we rather have them put in a clause of No Fight if any of them goes above the limit). If Floyd had no intention of going beyond the weight limit, then I don't think five, ten or twenty million fine would be an issue.
I did not believe the report that Floyd was asking for a 10 oz gloves. Are you implying that it was a fact? Floyd can dictate the terms in his fight with Marquez & they fought using the 8 oz gloves. Why would he then request for a 10 oz gloves with Manny?
You said that Manny handed Floyd a psychological victory by refusing the blood test. Maybe so but I don't think everyone will agree with this. First of all, Manny agreed to some blood test which is already beyond what is required under the Nevada Boxing Commission, they just did not agree to the dates that they are to be taken. I have gone through different boxing forums before I decided to join here. What I have noticed in the Pacquiao website (I assume that almost all of them are Philippinos) is that majority of the posters there are backing up Manny for standing his ground. Who would he rather appease then, his countymen or the American & British boxing fans? In fact, a number of the American newspapers find fault in Mayweather.

I mean American media, not newpapers.
And thanks CFH for welcoming me.