Manny Pacquiao Is Unbelievable.

[ICB]

A few years ago it would of been considered, a joke that Manny Pacquiao could dominate top Welterweights. And thats exactly what he's done i mean since the JMM fight, he's only lost like 1 round. Even though Manny Pacquiao did defeat two of my favorite fighters MAB, JMM.

Manny Pacquiao has really grown on me, since he become a more skillful boxer. I actually find him more exciting as the skillful boxer he is now. Rather than the all out slugger he was.

And im just glad im in this era to appreciate him first hand, sure SRR was amazing. But there's limited footage of him and he comes from a totally different era. Not to mention black/white fights, i find it hard to really get into black/white fights.

But now we have an amazing fighter to really appreciate first hand, who will be talked about forever and forever. And im going to enjoy every last little bit of it.

[Kev]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

[Majesty]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

[josef4334]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

i guess that depends on what fashion he beats both in. if he beats mosley and pac on their style of fights then there will be no arguement. but if hes there one punch and move all night,then.. well i dont know how that would cement his legacy.

[DaxxKahn]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I agree Pacquiao is top, but with all the credentials he gets lately it makes me wonder..

what if Floyd beats Shane and then beats him? will Floyd's resume be crazy too? Or will it be Floyd picking on smaller fighters?

I just want your opinion on where you think they'll be ranked given if they beat each other, like you gave your opinion how Pacquiao will look if he beats Floyd. How will Floyd look if he beats Shane and Pacquiao?

It would be hard to say Floyd is picking on smaller fighters because Manny has been in with the bigger guys and look what he has done.....I mean Clottey yes is slow but he is a big strong ww who has a great chin and good punching power who has never up until Sat been in a one sided bout...

Now if Manny had never been above LW and Floyd fought him as a WW then it would be a bit unfair because Manny would be in with a guy who is used to big men..

If that makes sense

[Hunter]

If Floyd beats Manny I dont think he will receive as much credit for two reasons:

1 - Floyd has tarnished his legacy already by not fighting the best or who the fans/writers think are the best fighters at a given weight class. I dont know how many times I have read articles or heard on forums that Floyd is afraid to fight Mosley (at lower weights), margarito, cotto etc. You have never heard about Pac being afraid to fight anyone. I mean the guy fought JMM, Morales, and Barerra it seemed one after another......

2 - Pacquaio doesnt have a careful style, he is a brawler. He wants to mix it up. Floyd is very careful at times and can stink the joint out. If Floyd has someone hurt he will sometimes back off to play it safe, manny wont. Fans love pac's style and he gets extra credit for this.

Whether these points are true or not is irrelevant, but they are the reason Floyd doesnt get the respect he thinks he deserves.

[djcione]

Off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 fighters, in divisions Pac has fought, that were MUCH better: I have limited this list to just fighters I have seen live or on tape which eliminates older all time greats such as Leonard, Greb, Gans, Walker, Ross, Attell,etc. and any fighter middleweight or above. There are also others like Arguello, Whitaker, Chavez, Ortiz who I feel were better, but don't rank as high as these 10.

Sugar Ray Robinson
Aaron Pryor
Sugar Ray Leonard
Thomas Hearns
Roberto Duran
Joe Brown
Sandy Saddler
Willie Pep
Henry Armstrong
Eder Jofre



Let's not forget that all of those who say that Floyd has ducked some tough fighters, Manny has ducked a few also like:Shane, Cassamayor, Campbell and Guzman.

[Caine3078]

If Floyd beats Manny I dont think he will receive as much credit for two reasons:

1 - Floyd has tarnished his legacy already by not fighting the best or who the fans/writers think are the best fighters at a given weight class. I dont know how many times I have read articles or heard on forums that Floyd is afraid to fight Mosley (at lower weights), margarito, cotto etc. You have never heard about Pac being afraid to fight anyone. I mean the guy fought JMM, Morales, and Barerra it seemed one after another......

2 - Pacquaio doesnt have a careful style, he is a brawler. He wants to mix it up. Floyd is very careful at times and can stink the joint out. If Floyd has someone hurt he will sometimes back off to play it safe, manny wont. Fans love pac's style and he gets extra credit for this.

Whether these points are true or not is irrelevant, but they are the reason Floyd doesnt get the respect he thinks he deserves.

I don't know where you read an article saying Floyd was afraid of fighting Mosley at lower weights. Floyd was the first to try to get a fight with Mosley in 2003 I believe and Mosley declined the fight. I don't know if Shane was afraid of Floyd or just didn't want the fight.

[blegit]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I can see Pac pass Ray Leonard's accomplishments but Henry Armstrong was the 126, 135, and 147 champion simultaneously. And this was before the alphabet soup. Armstrong also fought for the middleweight title to a draw. So in effect Armstrong was the best featherweight, the best lightweight, the best welterweight, and tied for the best middleweight at the same time. Armstrong was something never before or since seen and very much overlooked and undercredited when it comes to history.

[JazMerkin]

Yeah I love the Pacman, to me he's in the top 3 of all time now behind Robinson and Ali.

I don't know how the likes of Ray Leonard and Henry Armstrong can match up to what he has done.

He is beating the best opposition out there, in a weight division far above his natural, and he's destroying them in completely one sided fights.

If he does beat Floyd his resume would be crazy.

I'm curious Bilbo, have you ever seen Hank Armstrong in action?

It works both ways, there are people who overrate the older fighters having never seen their fights, but I think when you start placing a fighter on an ATG list before their career is over you're usually wrong.

You need the perspective of them being retired & looking at their whole body of work. I do think Pacquiao would be Top 20 definitely if he retired right now, but it's hard to actually assess till he's finished. Case in point, all those people declaring Roy Jones the best fighter ever or Mike Tyson the best HW ever.

I do find it funny how many people hate on Pac or PBF & they'll be the same people complaining in 20 years at some new fighters about how they don't make 'em like they did back in the noughties.

[gstarsgstarry]

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

[skel1983]

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

Pac has a great chance v Mayweather, I think he can win it.

[generalbulldog]

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

A little bit of an exaggeration here isn't it? Although I would slightly favor Floyd because of his slick defensive abilities and adaptation skills, I don't know about the "he wouldn't stand a chance" statement in regards to Pacquiao. Maybe an Matthew Hatton wouldn't stand a chance, but really to make that kind of statement for a fighter that is 1 of the best p4p is funny.

[ICB]

What was Clottey doing for most of the fight he just stood there guard up waiting for the bell easy fight for Manny but he cant be called the best until he fights Floyd and he would'nt stand a chance no wonder he thought of every excuse going in order for it not to go ahead

Joshua Clottey pretty much always fights that way, too me as i've always said. He has the tools to be an elite fighter, but he lacks vital things.

Like being able to go through the gears, and knowing when to turn it up. Which is what cost him in 2 of his losses, and also being able to concentrate for the full 12 rounds. Which he clearly can't do, he seems to shut off and go into a defensive shell.

I personally think when he threw, he looked ok vs Manny Pacquiao. But then again it was one punch at a time. And you certainly can't beat someone like Manny Pacquiao that way, who's an offensive machine.

[Caine3078]

To me Clottey fought to survive and not to win. If he would have let his hand go he could have done some damage but he looked too afraid to get hit. When he did throw he did damage. Haven't seen Pac's face busted up like that in awhile and this was by someone who only threw like 20 punches per round. You get someone who can take advantage of Pac's over-aggression with speed and accurate counter-punching like Floyd, Pac's gonna have a long night.