Pacquiao "I don't need Mayweather"

[THE THIRD MAN]

It's true, Pacquiao does not need Mayweather. We all want to see it happen of course and it should when Mayweather beats Mosley. I don't think it will bother Pacman if it doesn't happen as his legacy is well assured.
Pacquiao has fought the best out there in recent years, from a rematch with Marquez (his toughest foe?) to De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto stopping all three of the latter. Now tell me honestly, if anyone here thought 3 years ago that Pacquiao would KO all 3 of those guys then we would have had you certified. Pac will fight the winner of Mayweather V Mosley, it's the only fight left for him.

[titleist905t]

I do not defend Manny a lot. Although I am fan, I criticize him as much any other person. But this article is ridiculous and misleading. The translation is stupid and far out of context. MMC did a better job translating the true meaning. But of course, when a person speaks in Filipino it is so different in context and substance when translated in English literally. This is why Manny has been dubbed a "humble" guy from which many Filipinos believe he is not because of the language barrier that we have and how we construct sentences.

In this case, I don't see Manny avoiding Floyd. I see him as I have always seen him. A man clouded by his arrogance and pride. Not because he is avoiding Floyd. Manny will not win the elections and he will continue boxing.

[blegit]

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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.

Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.

You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.

Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac. I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.

[generalbulldog]

I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.

Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.

You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.

Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac. I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.

And I am sticking by facts. These are hard facts.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...1396-vote.html

Like I said, you and half this forum picked Cotto by victory, now he's a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked? Do you know what cherry picking means? It means that he's selectively picked an easy opponent that he can win.

That's the poll right there isn't it? Now you're changing your tune? How come you didn't mention Cotto was a shot fighter and Pacquiao was cherry picking when you chose Cotto in that poll?

[mad_takamura]

i totally agree with Chino! mayweather jr. has bent over backwards for this fight to happen. it is pacquiao who doesn't seem to want this fight. and as far as someone saying pacquiao never ducked anybody? who the hell are they talking about? he's been ducking the best dangerous fighters on the planet ever since he beat barrera. first of all, he ducked joan guzman when guzman was still a super bantamweight. guzman even agreed to go up to pacquiao's weight class (super feather) but pacquiao kept his mouth shut. then when pacquiao got an absolute gift decision verses marquez and marquez wanted an immediate rematch, pacquiao ran from him and went up to lightweight. when marquez decided to go up to lightweight, what did pacquiao do, he went up in weight again. pacquiao knows he lost to marquez that's why he wanted no part in a third marquez fight. more recently, mosley wanted to fight pacquiao at 140 and pacquiao wouldn't even talk to him. instead, he went for the ultra conservative joshua clottey, who by the way, is an embarrassment to all the great ghana fighters who are truly warriors. and now, pacquiao never really wanted this fight with floyd jr. in the first place. he made those three demands thinking that mayweather jr. wasn't going to agree to them. then when floyd jr. made his lone demand, (blood testing) it was pacquiao's perfect moment to bail out of the fight. simple as that!

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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.

Even if he chooses to fight slick fighters like chris john or guzman, pac would easily beat them. I don't know why some posters think pac is avoiding guz. Guz lost to funeka. Funeka exposed guz so what do you think pac would do to him when they meet?

[mad_takamura]

I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.

Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.

You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.

Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac. I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.

Really? Does that mean you're a hypocrite?

[jolz]

this is Pride..but Pacquiao has a point..But on the other side, people are deprived of the fight that they want..

[Stale_hotdog]

This is an interesting point. I assume he speaks more confidently in his native tongue. He does seem like a very different person when interviewed by a Filipino person (his mannerisms since I don't understand the language). I've also learned from personal experience with other languages that a lot is lost in translation.

I do not defend Manny a lot. Although I am fan, I criticize him as much any other person. But this article is ridiculous and misleading. The translation is stupid and far out of context. MMC did a better job translating the true meaning. But of course, when a person speaks in Filipino it is so different in context and substance when translated in English literally. This is why Manny has been dubbed a "humble" guy from which many Filipinos believe he is not because of the language barrier that we have and how we construct sentences.

In this case, I don't see Manny avoiding Floyd. I see him as I have always seen him. A man clouded by his arrogance and pride. Not because he is avoiding Floyd. Manny will not win the elections and he will continue boxing.

[jolz]

Why claim that someone "cherrypicked" his opponents throughout his career?
When in fact, we all know that it is their PROMOTERS and MANAGERS who had the final say about their fighter's options for match-ups,,more often, a fighter is just notified that he will fight this guy on a short notice...

[ruthless rocco]

lets see....

Manny Pacquiao is currently the WBO World welterweight champion, Ring Magazine light welterweight champion, and is rated by Ring Magazine as the number 1 pound-for-pound boxer in the world. Pacquiao is also the former WBC World lightweight champion, WBC World super featherweight champion, IBF World super bantamweight champion, and WBC World flyweight champion. Furthermore, he is the former Ring Magazine featherweight and super featherweight champion.
Pacquiao is the first boxer in history to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions. In addition, he is the only boxer to win the lineal championship in four different weight classes.




Floyd Joy Mayweather, Jr. From July 18, 2005 through June 2, 2008 he was rated by The Ring magazine as the number-one pound for pound boxer in the world. Mayweather has won six world boxing championships in five different boxing weight classes; he is the former WBC welterweight champion, a title he vacated upon his retirement. He was named Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year in 1998 and 2007.
Mayweather is undefeated with 40 wins including 25 by knockout.



hey look at that... floyd's middle name is joy. thats so nice!

[Jody Lane]

Pac doesnt need mayweather and shouldnt have to deal with his rediculous demands

Don't put an "s" on the word "demand" when it comes to Mayweather. He only asked for an Olympic style blood test while Pac and his team demanded many things.

Demands is more accurate when discussing the various aspects of the anti-doping procedures.

If you look back on Pacs career he has never dodged anyone, he has never been afraid to lose

He only dodged having his blood tested Olympic style which Shane Mosley had Floyd Mayweather have already agreed to take equally for the upcoming fight.

He said anyone meaning fighters so don't take this out of context.

Floyd is the one that is broke and could benefit from the money this megafight would generate

I am pretty sure Floyd has generated more money than Pac. Has Pac made enough money in just one fight as Mayweather vs De La Hoya?

Floyd made a lot of money and blew most of it away. So it doesn't matter if he made more money than Manny at this day and time.

And to show that I am just not a Pac fan, I think Floyd will beat Pac when they fight. I think Floyd is just being a spoiled crybaby and this is why people dont give him respect

Like it has been said before. Look at Floyd's demand compared to all the demands Pac and his team asked for. Something journalists seem to ignore as well as Pac's suspicious excuses on not taking a blood test olympic style.

Don't remember Manny making any major demands on this fight other than Floyd to quit creating controversy based on opinion and not verifiable fact.

[blegit]

Put it this way. If Pacquiao had fought and defeated Mosley, the cry would be he fought an 38 year old Shane who was on his last legs and inactive. The new crying point would be he avoided Miguel Cotto a prime fighter.

You know it and I know it. Half to a majority of this forum picked Miguel Cotto to KO Pac, after the fight it was Cotto was a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked. Get the fukk outta here with that bullshit.

Its a shame you get too emotional over my statements about Pac. I'm not a nuthugger so I will state what is factual. You're making guesses about how people "would've" reacted if this or that "would've" happened. I stated facts. Those facts still remain. So does this question. Why did Roach state all these demands for Mosley, like he was really going to fight, if there was no intention to fight Mosley? Because they hoped Mosley would turn down the demands. They saw how damaged Cotto looked against Clottey and how dangerous Mosley looked against Margarito. Be real man, he cherrypicked. Mosley called their bluff. It happened. Don't excuse facts with bogus guessing.

And I am sticking by facts. These are hard facts.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...1396-vote.html

Like I said, you and half this forum picked Cotto by victory, now he's a shot fighter that Pacquiao cherry picked? Do you know what cherry picking means? It means that he's selectively picked an easy opponent that he can win.

That's the poll right there isn't it? Now you're changing your tune? How come you didn't mention Cotto was a shot fighter and Pacquiao was cherry picking when you chose Cotto in that poll?

Calm your emotions a little bit. I didn't say Cotto was a shot fighter. Freddie Roach is the one who insinuated this when they watched the Cotto/Clottey fight. And for the record, I said Cotto is damaged from the Margarito fight. Do you really think Cotto didn't lose anything from the Margarito battering (By the way, I voted Cotto because of the catchweight title on the line bullcrap and it was unknown how Pac could handle a real welter) Roach even said Cotto is not the same fighter since the Margarito fight. I'm sure you read that too. At least admit that you read Roach say that. And admit Cotto after Clottey looked a lot better of an option than Mosley after Margarito. They waited and got what they wanted. Cotto looked way more beatable than Mosley. Therefore, they chose Cotto over Mosley. A name as big but quite a bit of an easier road. Either was a good enough selection for me but thats still cherrypicking. It happens, boxing is a business, and most fighters do it. Don't excuse Pac. Its obvious to you but you're just focusing on Cotto instead of why they played that song with Mosley and then refused to dance with him. Mosley went on many interviews, even on ESPN, calling Pac out. Freddie Roach responded with demands Mosley "had" to refuse. The 65/35 split, the 143 catchweight, the weight penalty, etc. Mosley went to Roach's gym and accepted all of the demands. Freddie Roach tried to save face by calling Mosley desperate and then turned completely away from a Mosley fight. If they weren't going to fight him anyway why play the song? To give off the image as if they were willing. What kind of backlash would PBF had gotten from you if he did the exact same thing to Mosley?

[ono]

To be fair, all he does need is some Nolvadex.

[blegit]

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I'm not going to go as far to say or agree that Pac has been ducking fighters out of fear. But he has done his share of picking and choosing just as most fighters have in their careers. Pac doesn't pick fights with slick boxers and this is well known. He feasts on guys who are easy to find and have little chance to outbox him. And no matter what Pac apologists say...Pac absolutely avoided Mosley. Mosley agreed to everything Team Pac asked for. They even tried to shoo Mosley away with the "You have to make 143" catchweight. Mosley agreed, went to Roach's gym and still got denied. But I am not mad at any fighter picking and choosing every now and then. Its a hurt sport and business must still be maximized. Pac only does this every now and then so this is easily respectable to me. Just about every fighter has done this. Some just do it more than what can be overlooked.

Even if he chooses to fight slick fighters like chris john or guzman, pac would easily beat them. I don't know why some posters think pac is avoiding guz. Guz lost to funeka. Funeka exposed guz so what do you think pac would do to him when they meet?

And this may or may not be true. But remember styles make fights and not every style is an easy figure for greats like Pac. For instance, B level fighters Junior "Poison" Jones and Zahir Raheem are 3-1 against Hall of Fame greats Marcos Antonio Barerra and Erik Morales. And Raheem/Morales was a boxing lesson. They didn't figure out slick fighters very well. It would've have been nice to see how Pac would've done against Zahir Raheem, or any boxer who moves well, after Raheem just made easy work out of Morales but instead he chose to fight the loser of that fight in Morales. And lets not forget Paul Williams having trouble with movers as well, Quintana and Martinez.

[fan johnny]

this is the tagalog/filipino version of the interview, this is what actually came out of pacs mouth.

“Baka malay mo baka hindi na ako umabot doon [fight with Mayweather]. Baka mag-retiro na ako. Eh yung Mama [Dionisia Pacquiao] ko, nagmakaawa daw siya para lang ako huminto sa boxing so pag-uusapan namin,”

you have no idea if im still going to fight pbf, cause i might retire soon. my mom has been begging me to stop fighting and i and my family will talk about it.

“Kahit naman wala ‘yung eleksyon, walang pulitlika, depende na sa desisyon naming pamilya. Matagal na kasi ako, matagal na rin sa boxing. Marami na akong nabigay na karangalan sa ating bansa,”

its not about politics and the elections the decision to quit depends on my family. ive been in boxing for some quite time now, and ive already given many honor for our country.

“Syempre after kay Cotto nakiusap ako sa Mama ko, ‘Isang laban pa.' Pinagbigyan niya ako. Sa ngayon, paano pa ako makiusap ulit? Ano bang sabihin ko?”

after cotto, i begged my mom to let me fight one more time. she said yes, but now how will i ask again? what will i say now?

“Talagang mahirap na laban ‘yung nakaraan dahil si Clottey, grabe, puro depensa lang. Matibay din, ‘di naman siya nakikipagpalitan ng suntok masyado sa akin,”

it was a hard fight the last fight with clottey. all he did was to cover up, he is tough but he didnt traded punches with me.

‘Di naman siguro ako maghamon dahil sila naman ang may kailangan. Nakamit ko ang pangarap ko sa boxing ko without Floyd Mayweather in my boxing career so walang dapat kailangang i-hamon sa kaniya,”
“Ako naman open ako lumaban sa kaniya. Anytime ako puwedeng lumaban sa kahit sinong boksingero basta pareho ang timbang, magkaroon ng approval sa bawat promoter. Anytime, puwede ako lumaban basta gusto niya lumaban.”

i dont think i need to call him out cause they are the ones who needs this fight. i have achieved my dreams in boxing w/o pbf in my career. so i really dont need to call him out.

for me im open to fight him anytime i can fight any boxer as long as we are in the same weight. should have approvals from both promoters. anytime, i can fight as long as he wants too.

I'm not sure how you translated this but it's bad just reading just the first words. It does not portray the humility and respect of his presentation. He is apologetic.

Baka malay mo baka hindi na ako umabot doon the "mo" references "you" but the "Baka malay mo" references "You should know" that Maybe I, might not get there.

There is a big difference in translating words that show his respect for who he is addressing.