Vazquez - Marquez Fight Talk

[boozeboxer]

Vasquez / Marquez IV.

How is the whole damn forum not completely buzzing about this fight?

Screw ODLH. Screw Mayweather. Screw all these motherfuckers who leave some in the ring. Fuck MMA/Wrestling fag shit. This is where it begins and ends.


These two guys are such complete warriors and such a great matchup that it is just great!


I personally have Vasquez to take this bout but who really knows?

It is a complete travesty that these two guys aren't talked about in p4p rankings after these III EPIC fights. Why? Because they took some time off after three REAL FIGHTS? These guys threw more punches in three fights than David Haye has his whole career!

REAL MEN!

This will go down in history as one of the greatest series of fights ever.

I want to know who everyone has, and why.

[Kev]

I feel sorry for these two.

When they first fought both were in the top 5 p4p and it was such an eagerly antipicated fight.

A gruelling first encounter, followed by two spectacular rematches.

But in fighting only each other they lost contact with the rest of the boxing world and became irelevent.

It's almost like they no longer exist now how little they are spoken of these days.

It's especially bizarre in the case of Israel Vasquez. He avenged his loss against the, at that point top 3 p4p Rahpael Marquez and then beat him in again in arguably the best fight of last year, and now he's not even in anyone's top 20.

Had he knocked out Vic Darhinyan in 2007 and then done FUCK ALL however he's still be top 3 p4p.

That said, even I'm not into this fight. I don't care about it I guess because it has no relevance. For a fight to mean anything it has to be significant, for a world title, for the linear or Ring championship, for the right to be the known as number 1, or to be considered a contender for example.

These guys are just operating within a bubble, with no context, and so although I have no doubt the fight will be great, it's not really possible to look forward to it.

It's like having the greatest action sequence of the year with the best special effects, but it's not in a movie. It's the action sequence on its own. Without the plot, the dialogue and the narrative that builds to the action you will feel no emotional pull and therefore it's not memorable or as awesome as it could be.

I just hope that whoever wins, if they carry on gets back on with the business of fighting the best in the division, and then I can care about them again.

[Kev]

That said I want Israel to win this in emphatic style. Finish the job and look good in doing so. I'd love to see him move down and Donaire move up and meet halfway.

Then I'd like to see Vazquez take little Nonito to the cleaners.

[boozeboxer]

I feel sorry for these two.

When they first fought both were in the top 5 p4p and it was such an eagerly antipicated fight.

A gruelling first encounter, followed by two spectacular rematches.

But in fighting only each other they lost contact with the rest of the boxing world and became irelevent.

It's almost like they no longer exist now how little they are spoken of these days.

It's especially bizarre in the case of Israel Vasquez. He avenged his loss against the, at that point top 3 p4p Rahpael Marquez and then beat him in again in arguably the best fight of last year, and now he's not even in anyone's top 20.

Had he knocked out Vic Darhinyan in 2007 and then done FUCK ALL however he's still be top 3 p4p.

That said, even I'm not into this fight. I don't care about it I guess because it has no relevance. For a fight to mean anything it has to be significant, for a world title, for the linear or Ring championship, for the right to be the known as number 1, or to be considered a contender for example.

These guys are just operating within a bubble, with no context, and so although I have no doubt the fight will be great, it's not really possible to look forward to it.

It's like having the greatest action sequence of the year with the best special effects, but it's not in a movie. It's the action sequence on its own. Without the plot, the dialogue and the narrative that builds to the action you will feel no emotional pull and therefore it's not memorable or as awesome as it could be.

I just hope that whoever wins, if they carry on gets back on with the business of fighting the best in the division, and then I can care about them again.

I disagree. Fighting a very top notch fighter three times does not make the pair irrelevant. This isn't Gatti/Ward, these guys are both top fighters! These two don't need spoon fed HBO prodigy fights, these guys are in the trenches. IF they had fought each other once, or twice and then both blew out a tomato can, they shouldn't be rated higher or be more "relevant." I don't need to see some mismatch or paper belt to know that Vazquez and Marquez are premier fighters. So they could have unified a belt or two? Who gives a fuck! One organization has 4 belts per weight and will manufacture more if they can get some boot.

So is Victor Ortiz more relevant because he fought an ancient Nate Campbell? Instead of fighting some great fighter three times?? Come on. That is insane.

[CFH]

I'm actually pretty indifferent to this fight, relatively speaking. I think it's almost certain to be a great fight, though I wouldn't be surprised to see it end early with all the damage they've done to each other, but honestly I would rather see both guys in against someone else. They've already fought an amazing trilogy, what else is left to prove? I pretty much agree with what Bilbo wrote. It'll be a good fight and an interesting one, but it doesn't have much relevance or drama. We already know how they match up again each other and there's no tie-breaker value to this fight like there was in the 3rd one.

I think Marquez wins this one for whatever that is worth. I think Vazquez came out of the trilogy worse for wear, despite winning two of the fights, and Marquez looked better than him in the one fight between their last match.

[Gandalf]

I see both sides to the argument. There is no doubt that they will put on a great show, but how many times do they need to do it? We have already seen how the styles gel and Vazquez has shown himself to be the marginally more resiliant of the two. I think Vazquez will win again as he is younger and has his previous two wins to draw from. Marquez only really won the first one because Vazquez was having nose problems, Vazquez has the mental edge and in a gruelling fight I think that will be the difference. I too think they would be better off fighting others at this stage in their careers. They should have moved on but didn't and that is probably why the fight isn't getting as much coverage. No doubts it will be fun though, it just feels a little unneccesary.

[blegit]

I think its a lot of "enough is enough." These guys killed each other 3 times. There are more fighters out there. I don't think a 4th fight is necessary and it seems like most others don't either. Especially when you consider that after each fight they have only become more damaged goods. We don't need 4. You can only get excited so many times about the same 2 fighters brawling each other out. Did a lot of people really scream for Corrales/Castillo 4? They ruined each other. Enough is enough. I will watch the fight though and I do think Vasquez should still be highly touted in the rankings. But we don't need a fourth one of these.

[amat]

Honestly they have made more of an impression in their 18 months and 3 fights then pretty much anyone in the history of boxing has. There isn't a red blooded man on this planet that can't enjoy their fights. 3 of the best fights of all time on their own, and then together they make an unreal trilogy with 0 down moments.

Now they have taken some time off, they're rested, now it's time to do it again! Fuck yeah these are amazing fights I'll never grow tired of these two. Anyone not hyped about this is nuts.

[PRIDE OF BOSTON]

I feel sorry for these two.

When they first fought both were in the top 5 p4p and it was such an eagerly antipicated fight.

A gruelling first encounter, followed by two spectacular rematches.

But in fighting only each other they lost contact with the rest of the boxing world and became irelevent.

It's almost like they no longer exist now how little they are spoken of these days.

It's especially bizarre in the case of Israel Vasquez. He avenged his loss against the, at that point top 3 p4p Rahpael Marquez and then beat him in again in arguably the best fight of last year, and now he's not even in anyone's top 20.

Had he knocked out Vic Darhinyan in 2007 and then done FUCK ALL however he's still be top 3 p4p.

That said, even I'm not into this fight. I don't care about it I guess because it has no relevance. For a fight to mean anything it has to be significant, for a world title, for the linear or Ring championship, for the right to be the known as number 1, or to be considered a contender for example.

These guys are just operating within a bubble, with no context, and so although I have no doubt the fight will be great, it's not really possible to look forward to it.

It's like having the greatest action sequence of the year with the best special effects, but it's not in a movie. It's the action sequence on its own. Without the plot, the dialogue and the narrative that builds to the action you will feel no emotional pull and therefore it's not memorable or as awesome as it could be.

I just hope that whoever wins, if they carry on gets back on with the business of fighting the best in the division, and then I can care about them again.

You know, it's rather true... They've become detatched... Like they're outside on the rim of the sport doing their own thing... I didn't see Izy's last fight but I read it was rather workman like until he hurt Priolo in the 9th.

Either way, I wouldn't feel to bad for them. They're making alot of money off of each other... Though I don't think they needed to make this fight cuz they've fought eachother enough and taken enough punishment in their fights, I'm anticipating another firefight!!

[JonnyFolds]

You know, when I think about these fighters and their fight now.. I can barely remember what weight class they were. This guys matched up way too well. I wouldn't even know who to throw them in the ring with these days, I mean no one with a promising young fighter would want to throw their guy in the ring with these two cagey, future Hall of Famers. Let them keep fighting until all that dust settles.

These guys are like the defference between watching Pride fights and UFC... Pride is just all out war... But a "good" boxing match is better than "the best" MMA. Don't get me wrong or anything!!

[BoxingGorilla]

I agree with Bilbo when he spoke about feeling sorry for the two fighters. Talk about a career stall.

I remember saying they shouldn't fight again after the first was over. Someone with great research skills might be able to find the thread.

Vasquez got my vote but who the hell knows? I see the fight ending quickly because the previous beatings will cause one of them to realize it's not worth it just to fight a fifth time. Or it goes the distance becasue they are tired of slowly killing each other and ease up on the gas.

[toe2toe]

im really suspecting something wrong with those eyes. vazquez undergone several eye surgeries after the rafa 3rd fight.

[ICB]

Vasquez / Marquez IV.

How is the whole damn forum not completely buzzing about this fight?

Screw ODLH. Screw Mayweather. Screw all these motherfuckers who leave some in the ring. Fuck MMA/Wrestling fag shit. This is where it begins and ends.


These two guys are such complete warriors and such a great matchup that it is just great!


I personally have Vasquez to take this bout but who really knows?

It is a complete travesty that these two guys aren't talked about in p4p rankings after these III EPIC fights. Why? Because they took some time off after three REAL FIGHTS? These guys threw more punches in three fights than David Haye has his whole career!

REAL MEN!

This will go down in history as one of the greatest series of fights ever.

I want to know who everyone has, and why.

Can i be honest ? i'd actually forgot about it for awhile, even though im a Rafael Marquez fan. It just doesn't interest me as much anymore. The other 3 fights i was really looking forward to, because at that time they were the best at there division.

It was like a MAB vs Erik Morales encounter, put it this way. Would anyone want to see MAB vs Erik Morales 4 ? i know Marquez/Vasquez. Aren't as shot as them two, but to me it really is a tad pointless IMO.

There no longer the top of there division, and they've been inactive. And there surely close to being shot now, i'd actually rather if they'd fought Lopez, Gamboa, Caballero.

I mean sure its good action wise, but other than that it just doesn't seem worth it. Both guys deserve so much more.

[boozeboxer]

Bump for Epic FOTY.

[toe2toe]

does vazquez frequently wear eyeglasses?