Vladimir Klitschko really this good or just bad contenders??

[0james0]

As good as they are, I'll still look forward to the day Haye gets in the ring with one of them and knocks them out!

[El Kabong]

As good as they are, I'll still look forward to the day Haye gets in the ring with one of them and knocks them out!

....I like to dream too

[rjj tszyu]

Wladimir Klitschko is not great at all. He's not bad but any decent HW champ would KO him. The problem is there are no decent HW's around at the minute other than Haye and he just seems to be more at ease living the life of the champ rather than becoming it at the moment. If though you could put Wlad back into the 90's with Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis though I would 100% guarantee all 4 would KO him without too much trouble.

I think the interesting fights in that era would be Wlad against the likes of Bruno, Morrison and Ruddock. I think they would be hard fights to call, but against the elite of that era?? He would get mauled.

[El Kabong]

I can see Holyfield and Lewis being difficult for pretty much any all time great champion....Wlad wouldn't necessarily be a cake walk for Lewis given Lennox's propensity for starting slowly and unenthusiasticly.

As for Bowe I'm not so sure. To me he had great potential but other than Holyfield and Golota he never really tested himself vs the best of his era (namely Tyson and Lewis) and if Golota worked him over then I figure Wladimir could do even better.

[0james0]

As good as they are, I'll still look forward to the day Haye gets in the ring with one of them and knocks them out!

....I like to dream too

and there was me thinking we would disagree on the matter. I'm glad we are on the same wavelength and dreaming of a Haye KO!

[El Kabong]

Well I mean dreaming in general, but sure Chicken Little and KO will be used in the same sentence if he ever fights Wlad but I doubt you'll enjoy the outcome

[0james0]

........but if he fights Vitali.............................

[Spicoli]

All this time I thought he had a w in his first name.

[Rantcatrat]

I can see Holyfield and Lewis being difficult for pretty much any all time great champion....Wlad wouldn't necessarily be a cake walk for Lewis given Lennox's propensity for starting slowly and unenthusiasticly.

As for Bowe I'm not so sure. To me he had great potential but other than Holyfield and Golota he never really tested himself vs the best of his era (namely Tyson and Lewis) and if Golota worked him over then I figure Wladimir could do even better.

So, Lyle, all said, where do you rate Wlad/Vitali of all-time heavyweights?

[El Kabong]

........but if he fights Vitali.............................

Yup Vitali murders him

[ICB]

I look back at previous heavyweights, and I struggle to find very many heavyweights over the history of the sport that would have been these two at their best.

I think they would have steam rolled Frazier, Marciano, Patterson, Liston, Louis, Foreman. I see absolutley no way how these guys could get in on guys taller and stronger than them with that kind of jab.

I don't think Holmes and Ali's moving on the outside styles would be super effective because at least Wlad who is always in balance would walk them down with his jab.

Norton might present problems for Wlad because he is awkward, but Vitali would destroy.

Honestly besides Lennox Lewis I can't think of a fighter who even in their prime I would give a better than 50/50 chance against these brothers.

I also find it insulting or ignorant to say Wlad hasn't fought quality opposition in the last little run Ibragimov, Chagaev, Peter(at the time), Byrd, Brock, Chambers, and the list goes on were all highly competent fighters. But Wlad has great timing and highly underrated speed, and I can't think of a punch in the history of the heavyweight division that landed more consistently than Wlad's jab, and that jab lands like most heavyweights crosses.

Wow are you kidding me Taeth ? Lennox Lewis was outjabbed by the likes of Frank Bruno, Ray Mercer. Larry Holmes was a better version of Lennox Lewis no question, he had a better jab, better chin, better athletically, faster hands, better footwork. The only thing Lennox Lewis has over Larry Holmes is size and power. But still Larry Holmes was no small fry at 6'3 either.

As for Muhammad Ali well its pretty much the same as Larry Holmes, except the size and power. But yet again Muhammad Ali was no small fry either, i don't see why you think Lennox Lewis is so perfect.

There's plenty of Heavyweight's better than Lennox Lewis, and i don't get where you get the word athletic from and use it too describe Lennox Lewis. At times he was very lumbering, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, ETC. Were much better athletically and there's plenty more aswell.

Wladimir Klitschko to me is the new Lennox Lewis, although he's not as strong mentally, and he lacks variety. Where as Lennox Lewis could fight on the inside and had the uppercut.

I got nothing against Lennox Lewis, and he was very good. But the way you describe him at times im thinking is this the same fighter ?

[El Kabong]

I rate Wlad and Vitali in the 15-20 range just based on accomplishments, on talent they may be higher.

[Rantcatrat]

I rate Wlad and Vitali in the 15-20 range just based on accomplishments, on talent they may be higher.

Prime Mike Tyson versus Wlad?

[Master]

I rate Wlad and Vitali in the 15-20 range just based on accomplishments, on talent they may be higher.

Prime Mike Tyson versus Wlad?

Tyson KO whenever he connects.

[generalbulldog]

Here's a good one. Prime Mike vs Prime Vitali. Who wins?