Where do you rate Wladimir Klitschko among all-time heavyweights?

[Mark TKO]

Big Frank would have him by the 5th. Wlad would have been terrified of Frank's punching power.


In both their primes if I was forced, with a gun to my head, to put everything I had on one outcome then I would honestly have gone Frank by KO in round 5.

[El Kabong]

Big Frank would have him by the 5th. Wlad would have been terrified of Frank's punching power.


In both their primes if I was forced, with a gun to my head, to put everything I had on one outcome then I would honestly have gone Frank by KO in round 5.

....that because he did so well vs fighters with punching power?

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Always felt that Bruno was too robotic, bit like seeing one of those tennis players that got all the shots and are text book players but other guy knows where every shot is going as it is in the text book and hammers the return past them.

Think Bruno's management did well with him and he earnt a good living and a nice guy but thats it really. Forgetting fights like the Coetzee fight were just them putting names in with him that were long past their peak.

Every title fight he had he couldn't have picked a better time to fight any of the opponents frankly. Lewis was having one of his off nights like he did, Witherspoon was out of condition, McCall was in the middle of a breakdown, 1st Tyson fight, Tyson was out of condition and mentally gone and 2nd Tyson fight was after Tyson done his prison time. Also Douglas had pretty much given you a road map on how to beat Tyson a map that theoretically Bruno had the tools for.

Wlad to win as soon as he is warmed up.

[Mark TKO]

Wlad to win as soon as he is warmed up.

exactly - would be all the window Frank needed

[THE PHILOSOPHER]

Wlad to win as soon as he is warmed up.

exactly - would be all the window Frank needed

Wlad is very skilled both mentally and physically in terms of controlling the pace of a fight. I think he would stop Bruno inside 10 rounds.

Frank was pretty dumb in all honesty. The mcall fight was one of the worst fights i have ever seen, bruno looked about as fluid as a chunk of rock.

[Mark TKO]

Don't be thinking I am saying Bruno was some kind of great fighter here by the way. Pretty fucking far from it.

But he could get to Wlad

[El Kabong]

Don't be thinking I am saying Bruno was some kind great fighter here by the way. Pretty fucking far from it.

But he could get to Wlad

His face could get to Wlad's fist

[Mark TKO]

I think I may need to start a poll ??

If it went further than 5 its Wlads though

[Mark TKO]

poll now up

[El Kabong]

It's not that I don't like Bruno, but Bruno was just barely a World Class fighter, hell he was 1-3 in title bouts and his win was over Oliver McCall and he had 0 successful title defenses. The Lennox Lewis that beat Bruno was ripe for the picking, David Tua would have beaten that Lennox Lewis....hell Andrew Golota might have beaten that Lennox Lewis

[rjj tszyu]

It's not that I don't like Bruno, but Bruno was just barely a World Class fighter, hell he was 1-3 in title bouts and his win was over Oliver McCall and he had 0 successful title defenses. The Lennox Lewis that beat Bruno was ripe for the picking, David Tua would have beaten that Lennox Lewis....hell Andrew Golota might have beaten that Lennox Lewis

Yeah I agree, Lennox was poor that night. It made for a better spectacle than it otherwise might have though.

[El Kabong]

Yeah I agree, Lennox was poor that night. It made for a better spectacle than it otherwise might have though.

100% agree and even the scorecards back up that fact, Bruno was up on 1 and the other 2 were even. Lewis was dreadful that night.

I think Bruno was an entertaining fighter with all of England behind him, but no way he beats Wladimir

[beenKOed]

Whoever you pick to beat Wladimir has to be big, fast, have a powerful jab, a fair punch and plenty of experience. Lewis, Foreman, Ali and Holmes come to mind. In their prime and on a good day they could get the job done. Look around, do you see anyone like that? One thing I forgot, they need a good chin too.
Big, fast, powerful jab, decent power, plenty of experience and a good chin.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I have him at 9.
Have done since he really started cleaning up the division.

I don't rate boxers as boxers or fighters but as champions - because that's all you can do.

Wladimir has been a unified, dominant champ for what seems like forever.

[GaydarbekStraight]

Wlad's win over Haye seems a bit better now because of Haye's impressive showing yesterday.

True, but Wlad's method against Haye was different altogether from Chisora's.
Another thing is Haye's beating of Chisora does not mean that Wlad could do the same.
They are different fighters with different attributes.
Haye surprised me with his good performance against Chisora, and in fact against Wlad as well.
Haye is a very good fighter.
I still think that by the time Chisora fought Vitali, he would have posed a tougher test to Wlad, and to a lesser degree even now.
Arreola is well past his prime by now, but a few years ago he could have been a threat to Wladimir.
The same holds for Chisora, whose prime came about one or two years later but also passed in my opinion.
Wars against Fury, Helenius, Vitali, Haye and to a lesser degree Sexton (twice) had surely taken their toll on Chisora.
Fighters like Chisora, Arreola and Sam Peter have a style that is just not made to last for long.