The 2nd British fighter to win the Ring magazine fighter of the year is.....

[ross]

I've always said Wlad shouldn't be rated P4P because he has a massive natural size advantage over most of his opponents.

Think the Fury fight made me right. He was completely lost fighting someone as big as him, that had a bit of skill, who he couldn't physically overpower.

Yet before the fight most people said size wasnt a factor, Tyson was getting stopped and quickly and Wlad was better against his bigger opponents.

Wlad is still world class and could still beat Wilder who is also taller and win the WBC but Tyson is too good for everyone right now.

[erics44]

I've always said Wlad shouldn't be rated P4P because he has a massive natural size advantage over most of his opponents.

Think the Fury fight made me right. He was completely lost fighting someone as big as him, that had a bit of skill, who he couldn't physically overpower.

Yet before the fight most people said size wasnt a factor, Tyson was getting stopped and quickly and Wlad was better against his bigger opponents.

Wlad is still world class and could still beat Wilder who is also taller and win the WBC but Tyson is too good for everyone right now.

I thought wlad would win

but wlads biggest weapon is still his holding, much more so than his punching

and I am yet to see wilder in with a first class HW so I cant really say with any assurance who would win that fight, but I think wlad would be very scared to get hit which might be the deciding factor

[Fenster]

I never said size wasn't a factor, of course it was. It could have benefited Wlad fighting someone his own size for all we knew but it certainly did not.

It just showed - as eric keeps saying - without the holding and climbing all over fighters backs and reach advantage and size advantage he was just a big stiff with a pawing jab and occasional right hand.

[ross]

I never said size wasn't a factor, of course it was. It could have benefited Wlad fighting someone his own size for all we knew but it certainly did not.

It just showed - as eric keeps saying - without the holding and climbing all over fighters backs and reach advantage and size advantage he was just a big stiff with a pawing jab and occasional right hand.

Dont forget the left hook!

Most of these revisionist opinions are based on peoples dislike of Fury.

These same people will still have Haye beating Fury

[erics44]

I never said size wasn't a factor, of course it was. It could have benefited Wlad fighting someone his own size for all we knew but it certainly did not.

It just showed - as eric keeps saying - without the holding and climbing all over fighters backs and reach advantage and size advantage he was just a big stiff with a pawing jab and occasional right hand.

Dont forget the left hook!

Most of these revisionist opinions are based on peoples dislike of Fury.

These same people will still have Haye beating Fury

I have no hate for fury at all, I am a fan

I have been saying this about wlad for years

[Fenster]

Hold up, ross. This has nothing to do with Fury. Lots of us have been complaining for years about Wlad's holding/fouling, one-dimensional boring style. Dig up the Povetkin RBR thread, I was asking for him to be DQ'd before the end of the 1st round.

And by the way - You was the one before the fight telling everyone, a million times, how Wlad was overrated and Fury would win easy.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "this is an easy fight." Then when your man wins say "this was the greatest win in history."

[ross]

Hold up, ross. This has nothing to do with Fury. Lots of us have been complaining for years about Wlad's holding/fouling, one-dimensional boring style. Dig up the Povetkin RBR thread, I was asking for him to be DQ'd before the end of the 1st round.

And by the way - You was the one before the fight telling everyone, a million times, how Wlad was overrated and Fury would win easy.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "this is an easy fight." Then when your man wins say "this was the greatest win in history."

Recent history

[beenKOed]

That's hard to believe when you think on it. The first? At the rate at which Brits are collecting trinkets he won't be the last. On a side, Canelo v Kirkland ko of year says more about inner promotion than it does anything. Who didn't see that detonation coming?

Exactly what I was saying about fighters with connections getting unfairly rated higher.

Makes Tyson winning the top spot even better as hes the least connected fighter and probably most hated on that list. He has been awarded on pure merit.

You need to hire some one to follow you around patting you on the back, it wouild save you mountains of time.

[Primo Carnera]

Dont forget the left hook!

Most of these revisionist opinions are based on peoples dislike of Fury.

These same people will still have Haye beating Fury

Like I said before , most people don't dislike Fury, It's YOU that they dislike.
and you keep mentioning "revisionist" like it's some sort of plague. If I get something wrong, is it better to admit it, learn from that and move forward , or use a pack of excuses and go into denial?
obviously opinion is going to change.
Styles make fights. I happen to think Fury probably beats Wlad in a rematch, and I would fancy him against Wilder. However, there are a few HW's out there that I think could beat him . I might be wrong , but like I've said many times before , time will tell.

[ross]

That's hard to believe when you think on it. The first? At the rate at which Brits are collecting trinkets he won't be the last. On a side, Canelo v Kirkland ko of year says more about inner promotion than it does anything. Who didn't see that detonation coming?

Exactly what I was saying about fighters with connections getting unfairly rated higher.

Makes Tyson winning the top spot even better as hes the least connected fighter and probably most hated on that list. He has been awarded on pure merit.

You need to hire some one to follow you around patting you on the back, it wouild save you mountains of time.

Ahh, dont be a jealous bitch

[ross]

Dont forget the left hook!

Most of these revisionist opinions are based on peoples dislike of Fury.

These same people will still have Haye beating Fury

Like I said before , most people don't dislike Fury, It's YOU that they dislike.
and you keep mentioning "revisionist" like it's some sort of plague. If I get something wrong, is it better to admit it, learn from that and move forward , or use a pack of excuses and go into denial?
obviously opinion is going to change.
Styles make fights. I happen to think Fury probably beats Wlad in a rematch, and I would fancy him against Wilder. However, there are a few HW's out there that I think could beat him . I might be wrong , but like I've said many times before , time will tell.

Thats wonderful because I would have to question myself if the people who type some of the utter hatefull and sometimes racist crap who always go on about how they send each other messages to each other on here ever did start liking me

A wolf doesnt lose sleep over the opinion of sheep

[beenKOed]

That's hard to believe when you think on it. The first? At the rate at which Brits are collecting trinkets he won't be the last. On a side, Canelo v Kirkland ko of year says more about inner promotion than it does anything. Who didn't see that detonation coming?

Exactly what I was saying about fighters with connections getting unfairly rated higher.

Makes Tyson winning the top spot even better as hes the least connected fighter and probably most hated on that list. He has been awarded on pure merit.

You need to hire some one to follow you around patting you on the back, it wouild save you mountains of time.

Ahh, dont be a jealous bitch

Jealous? That's possible, but not this time! Bitch? Never! Just trying to show you how some of us might see you. I'm trying to be a good neighbor.

[Silkeyjoe]

That's hard to believe when you think on it. The first? At the rate at which Brits are collecting trinkets he won't be the last. On a side, Canelo v Kirkland ko of year says more about inner promotion than it does anything. Who didn't see that detonation coming?

Exactly what I was saying about fighters with connections getting unfairly rated higher.

Makes Tyson winning the top spot even better as hes the least connected fighter and probably most hated on that list. He has been awarded on pure merit.

I get the impression Furys quite liked in the states!

[ross]

That's hard to believe when you think on it. The first? At the rate at which Brits are collecting trinkets he won't be the last. On a side, Canelo v Kirkland ko of year says more about inner promotion than it does anything. Who didn't see that detonation coming?

Exactly what I was saying about fighters with connections getting unfairly rated higher.

Makes Tyson winning the top spot even better as hes the least connected fighter and probably most hated on that list. He has been awarded on pure merit.

I get the impression Furys quite liked in the states!

Maybe the states, they appreciate a great boxer who can entertain.

However, on this side of the Atlantic I dont think you could name a more hated fighter in Britain and this forum could you?

[Fenster]

Fury isn't hated, the majority see him as a clown, which is his own doing. As far as THIS forum goes, nobody is allowed to criticise him about anything without you diving in to defend him.

Again... you wasn't the only person that picked him to beat Wlad and certainly wasn't the only person hoping he would.