Joshuar v Brezeale June 25th

[Master]

This is the second PBC fighter in a row. Is AJ a Haymon fighter now

Groves is with a rival promoter but still appears consistently on Eddie's shows does not mean he is in with Matchroom.

[Primo Carnera]

This is the second PBC fighter in a row. Is AJ a Haymon fighter now

Groves is with a rival promoter but still appears consistently on Eddie's shows does not mean he is in with Matchroom.

No, far from it. Groves can't stand Hearn , Hearn knows it , but they both know that Groves brings a lot of interest and Money. It's a strictly business relationship and they are both mature enough to put up with each other for their mutual benefit.
Mind you, you wonder why the Sauerlands signed to promote Groves when they never ever have shows with him on?

[Master]

This is the second PBC fighter in a row. Is AJ a Haymon fighter now

Groves is with a rival promoter but still appears consistently on Eddie's shows does not mean he is in with Matchroom.

No, far from it. Groves can't stand Hearn , Hearn knows it , but they both know that Groves brings a lot of interest and Money. It's a strictly business relationship and they are both mature enough to put up with each other for their mutual benefit.
Mind you, you wonder why the Sauerlands signed to promote Groves when they never ever have shows with him on?

I guess they only do shows in Germany and Groves is bigger here obviously but Groves would have bashed up Abrahams.

[Spicoli]

Who says looking like shat over last couple fights doesn't reap rewards Breazele was in the abyss vs Mansour and you can make a case he lost to Kassi as well. Should be a breeze for Joshua if he stays smart though 6'7 with decent pop and having the chips cashed in on you is nothing to take for granted.

I don't think the Kassi fight was that close at all, I was hoping kassi was going to win as he seems like a really interesting guy but I thought that breazeale was a comfortable winner there.. He had a good performance v the cuban fellow who was undfeated at the time but he has since went on to be stopped 3 times in a row :S... He was definently fortunate he cut mansours tongue in half with a punch( I remember him landing a really good one on amir, so there is that at least :S) otherwise he could well have been out of there, he was very nearly ko'd.

I suspect joshua will put him away when mansour just fell a little bit short but to be fair I think that says more about joshua than breazeale, if he blasts him out as we expect then it would be pretty impressive in my opinion.

There is certainly better options out there for joshua to face(maybe even mansour) but they want to get him exposure in america, so a blow out of an undefeated Olympian american with an 88% ko rate will look very good on paper for him.... the truth really isnt important here :S

Oh yeh I think had it a draw but Kassi really put a spotlight on how lumbering and near stone structure slow Breazeale can be. Thought he out hustled and made him look silly with shifting in spots, his inside game is near void but literally a coin flip on cards. Its a very good 'big picture' match up for Joshua..U.S Olympian, undefeated and one with much exposure in lead up.. for Joshua really and if anything Breazeale will be dangerous with the lumber via upperhooks. Blind spots are your friend.

[greynotsoold]

When John Bray was training Breazale, they trained at a gym in my hometown and my friend went and watched him every day. My friend said he had never seen a pro fighter so lazy in the gym.
Breazale is now trained, or was for his last fight, by Manuel Robles, son of the legendary blind trainer, Chato Robles. He is a top trainer and a class guy (he trains Oscar Valdez and has done the gym work for many fighters that were seen in the ring with 'name' trainers) but I don't think he has much to work with here.

[Silkeyjoe]

Brezeale really struggled with Kassi who is absolute muck. This fight is not going past 1 or 2 rounds. Not too fussed missing this fight to be honest.

[Dia bando]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

[Master]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

[Primo Carnera]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

Yep, the HW Division is a joke. But can you tell me with any great deal of confidence one HW who you are absolutely certain would beat AJ?
Because if you look at the odds bookies are giving for prospective
match ups, they're pretty much 50-50 for the top guys.
So , yes the division is crap, but it's no more his fault than anyone else really.

[Master]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

Yep, the HW Division is a joke. But can you tell me with any great deal of confidence one HW who you are absolutely certain would beat AJ?
Because if you look at the odds bookies are giving for prospective
match ups, they're pretty much 50-50 for the top guys.
So , yes the division is crap, but it's no more his fault than anyone else really.

Fury beat AJ with ease.

[Primo Carnera]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

Yep, the HW Division is a joke. But can you tell me with any great deal of confidence one HW who you are absolutely certain would beat AJ?
Because if you look at the odds bookies are giving for prospective
match ups, they're pretty much 50-50 for the top guys.
So , yes the division is crap, but it's no more his fault than anyone else really.

Fury beat AJ with ease.

With ease? Well the bookies don't seem to think so, Infact EVERY BOOKIE that has priced it up makes AJ favourite!!! Now I know the bookies don't always get it right, but they rarely get it badly wrong.
I'll tell you what we'll do. If you're that confident, if that fight ever comes off , tell me what odds you're going to give me. After all, you shouldn't have a problem with that seeing as Fury will beat him "with ease."

[ross]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

Yep, the HW Division is a joke. But can you tell me with any great deal of confidence one HW who you are absolutely certain would beat AJ?
Because if you look at the odds bookies are giving for prospective
match ups, they're pretty much 50-50 for the top guys.
So , yes the division is crap, but it's no more his fault than anyone else really.

Fury beat AJ with ease.

With ease? Well the bookies don't seem to think so, Infact EVERY BOOKIE that has priced it up makes AJ favourite!!! Now I know the bookies don't always get it right, but they rarely get it badly wrong.
I'll tell you what we'll do. If you're that confident, if that fight ever comes off , tell me what odds you're going to give me. After all, you shouldn't have a problem with that seeing as Fury will beat him "with ease."

Apart from getting it badly wrong in Furys last fit you mean?

[Primo Carnera]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

Yep, the HW Division is a joke. But can you tell me with any great deal of confidence one HW who you are absolutely certain would beat AJ?
Because if you look at the odds bookies are giving for prospective
match ups, they're pretty much 50-50 for the top guys.
So , yes the division is crap, but it's no more his fault than anyone else really.

Fury beat AJ with ease.

With ease? Well the bookies don't seem to think so, Infact EVERY BOOKIE that has priced it up makes AJ favourite!!! Now I know the bookies don't always get it right, but they rarely get it badly wrong.
I'll tell you what we'll do. If you're that confident, if that fight ever comes off , tell me what odds you're going to give me. After all, you shouldn't have a problem with that seeing as Fury will beat him "with ease."

Apart from getting it badly wrong in Furys last fit you mean?

No, that's not what I mean. I factored in the fact that Fury was only a 4 or 5 to 1 shot, which although it turned out wrong , it wasn't outlandishly wrong. 4 or 5 to one in a 2 horse race isn't a stonewall easy win or loss.
But anyway, please let's not go down the betting route again, as you proved last time you have absolutely no clue how that all works and me and others trying trying to make you see reason was tiresome to say the least! 😂😂😂

[ross]

AJ has just won the title give a Lamb as a sacrifice for a first defense, lot's of Champions have done the
same thing AJ is still work in progress, bit more learning to do would you not say.!

He had an easy route to the title, against a champ who was a worse novice than him and now defending against someone a lot worse than him. This heavyweight division is a joke and Eddie and AJ are laughing their way to the ppv bank.

Yep, the HW Division is a joke. But can you tell me with any great deal of confidence one HW who you are absolutely certain would beat AJ?
Because if you look at the odds bookies are giving for prospective
match ups, they're pretty much 50-50 for the top guys.
So , yes the division is crap, but it's no more his fault than anyone else really.

Fury beat AJ with ease.

With ease? Well the bookies don't seem to think so, Infact EVERY BOOKIE that has priced it up makes AJ favourite!!! Now I know the bookies don't always get it right, but they rarely get it badly wrong.
I'll tell you what we'll do. If you're that confident, if that fight ever comes off , tell me what odds you're going to give me. After all, you shouldn't have a problem with that seeing as Fury will beat him "with ease."

Apart from getting it badly wrong in Furys last fit you mean?

No, that's not what I mean. I factored in the fact that Fury was only a 4 or 5 to 1 shot, which although it turned out wrong , it wasn't outlandishly wrong. 4 or 5 to one in a 2 horse race isn't a stonewall easy win or loss.
But anyway, please let's not go down the betting route again, as you proved last time you have absolutely no clue how that all works and me and others trying trying to make you see reason was tiresome to say the least! 😂😂😂

You keep saying that when even silkyjoe pointed out you were wrong. Its embarrasing.

[Silkeyjoe]

Just because Fury won doesnt mean the odds were wrong. The winner of the grand national every year is less likely to win than Fury was to win that fight