Old PBF vs. New PBF p4p who is/was better?

[yoitsdan]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

[Wacko3205]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

[meowza]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it.

Hey, I don't think any fighter needs to justify protecting his chin no matter how good he is.

[yoitsdan]

Maybe I'm a little xenophobic but I have a point don't I? No one has thrown a left hook to the body like hatton since roberto duran.

[SalTheButcher]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

utilizing the shoulder roll is the one thing i like about mayweather, that shit is nice

[Wacko3205]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it. Plus who gives a fook about a shoulder roll, he doesn't throw a left hook as good as hatton. Why does no one talk about hattons left hook?

utilizing the shoulder roll is the one thing i like about mayweather, that S*** is nice

Well said Sal...totally agree 100%. That is indeed one of Floyd's better aspects.

[yoitsdan]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it.

Hey, I don't think any fighter needs to justify protecting his chin no matter how good he is.

Maybe my vision is a little blurry (alcohol induced very possibly), but I only really see floyd do it when he's well on top, when still in a competitive fight (EXTREMELY RARE!) he hardly does it. It's like he's copying. I'm not trying to say floyd is a bad fighter, but speed and ability is only half the story, the other half of the story (strength and power) remains to be seen. Thats why hatton V floyd answers all the questions about BOTH fighters

[yoitsdan]

maybe the roll is so fast I don't see the S***

[meowza]

Whats trhe big deal about floyd's shoulder roll? He's that quick that he needn't use it.

Hey, I don't think any fighter needs to justify protecting his chin no matter how good he is.

Maybe my vision is a little blurry (alcohol induced very possibly), but I only really see floyd do it when he's well on top, when still in a competitive fight (EXTREMELY RARE!) he hardly does it. It's like he's copying. I'm not trying to say floyd is a bad fighter, but speed and ability is only half the story, the other half of the story (strength and power) remains to be seen. Thats why hatton V floyd answers all the questions about BOTH fighters

Speed and ability is well more than half the story.
If you're saying that having one punch knockout power is the other half, then I gotta disagree with that.
Since obviously we're not talking about accumulative power, which Floyd definitely has, we must be talking about one punch knockout power.

That's always the big argument against Floyd.
"Where's his power? Where's his power?"
He's still stopping guys since moving up like Gatti and Mitchell. Not with one big shot, but with accumulative power.
So if you're not getting hit and still wiping the other guy out, albeit not with one punch, how can you fault that?

[SalTheButcher]

gatti thought he could punch hard enough to dislocate mayweathers arm when he tried the shoulder roll,

and he attempted to punch the shoulder intentionally,

AND GOT HIS ASS HANDED TO HIM

[yoitsdan]

I don't mean one punch power when I say strength and power. What I mean by hatton is his workrate, and volume of power punches + his ability to out hustle/inside fight. That is the side of hatton that floyd definatly doesn't have, where as floyd has the speed and box punch/defense advantage undoubtedly. In my opinion, floyd's rolling his shoulder, or dancing, or switching, or speed or countering or whatever will not matter when he has a man who he can't hurt, who is a fast combination puncher, who has an iron chin, and has a higher workrate than anyone in boxing today, who is quicker than he thinks, who's most understated feature is his jab, who closes distance and boxes pressure as good as anyone ever did is in front of him. Hatton has too many bases covered (IMO very important as in, I know most people disagree and respect to those who do disagree!). Ok, it's took a few asshole posts by myself (I apolgise, beer induced) to get my point across, but thats my point. Feel free to pick it apart, but that's what I believe.

[meowza]

I don't mean one punch power when I say strength and power. What I mean by hatton is his workrate, and volume of power punches + his ability to out hustle/inside fight. That is the side of hatton that floyd definatly doesn't have, where as floyd has the speed and box punch/defense advantage undoubtedly. In my opinion, floyd's rolling his shoulder, or dancing, or switching, or speed or countering or whatever will not matter when he has a man who he can't hurt, who is a fast combination puncher, who has an iron chin, and has a higher workrate than anyone in boxing today, who is quicker than he thinks, who's most understated feature is his jab, who closes distance and boxes pressure as good as anyone ever did is in front of him. Hatton has too many bases covered (IMO very important as in, I know most people disagree and respect to those who do disagree!). Ok, it's took a few asshole posts by myself (I apolgise, beer induced) to get my point across, but thats my point.

Hand speed difference is just way too much.
I don't see Floyd-Hatton be too different from Floyd-Gatti. Except not AS lopsided.
If Hatton's deceptively fast, then Floyd is deceptively strong in return.
I can't fault Ricky's workrate at all, but that's almost evened out with Floyd's conditioning.
I think all 12 rounds would look pretty similar to each other with Floyd winning the majority of them on cleaner punches.
Floyd'll pick him off all night for a fairly easy decision.
Speed and agility is much more than half the story.
I really really don't see Hatton catching Floyd.
What was Hatton's best performance against a non-stationary target?
Yeah he looked great against guys who don't move, like Tszyu, but I think a Floyd-Hatton will really be another Floyd-Gatti.
Cementing Floyd's rep that much further.

Feel free to pick it apart, but that's what I believe.

And I'm sure glad you do.
That's what makes this the juiciest potential fight in the world.
With two opinions on each extreme.
I would kill three men and a baby to see this fight happen.

[Unknowndonor]

You have to say the new Floyd, simply because he can still fight the same way he used to, or fight more aggressive. He is still the same, just more versatile.

[OumaFan]

I think Floyd will beat Hatton but its a good fight and its hard to compare it to the Gatti fight, Gatti had no chance cause as much as Gatti's thought of as a warrior he's never been a true pressure fighter, and especially not under McGirt. So Gatti tried to stay on the outside and outbox him ( ), or if not outbox him just try to run Floyd into a big shot.

there's not many, if any, fighters that can stay outside and outbox Floyd, and Gatti had no chance. You have to pressure him, unlike Gatti, Hatton's a quintessential pressure fighter with relatively quick feet and hands, not on Floyd's level by any means but he makes Castillo look like a plodder. The most competitive fights Floyd's ever been in were against guys who just kept coming, Chavez, Augustus, and of course Castillo, whether or not you think Castillo won the first fight, Floyd definitely did not look so super human against Castillo. Why? Because Castillo was not just the best pressure fighter Floyd's ever fought but was the best fighter he's ever fought, period. I think Floyd's the best fighter in the world, but I think he's become overrated because of the Gatti fight. He's not superhuman, he's just a very very good fighter.

[meowza]

Really good point.
I think that Castillo fight is gonna haunt Floyd for the rest of his life because he looked so spectacular in virtually every other fight.
I dunno though, that fight was four years ago.
I think one lackluster performance is forgivable.
I think Floyd's learned a ton and improved a good deal since then.
Especially in a big big big name fight against Hatton, I believe Floyd'll bring the A game to end all A games.
If Floyd sits on the ropes for any period of time, Hatton will give him a work-over for sure.
But I bet (hope) Floyd respects Hatton's power too much to do that with Hatton unlike against guys like N'dou or Augustus.
12 rounds of Floyd moving around (and he's got the conditioning to do it, baby), Hatton's got no chance.
Hatton's really great at cutting guys off, but I dunno...
I keep getting drawn back to the huge difference in speed...
Sure he can catch guys like Tszyu who was virtually a stationary target for him... but to do that against Floyd?

I sure hope I'm way off and it turns out to be a close fight though.