Should Floyd be P4P number 1(really good read)

[gyrokai]

And before anyone starts saying anything, I am a huge fan of Floyd's talents but talent alone does not make you P4P number1,fans want to see you challenge your self ala Pacman,Winky etc. Floyd could probably beat most guys out there so that's what makes it even more dissappointing that he fights guys like Mitchell,Brusseles and tries to pass it off as a legitimate challenge. I think fans are starting to wake up, I visit quite a few sites and there is at least 1 thread about him not being P4P number 1!

Back at yah,

It will encourage him to take on a real challenge, or discourage him into one. Mayweather can look after himself, take care of his health, and in the meantime make millions. Good for him.

But he can't get away with saying he's the best around this sport, without fighting the best or without hearing a little criticism from part of the media and fight fans.

How can I say Floyd is number one and live with a clean conscience with Pacquiao, Morales, Winky, Castillo, Corrales, Hatton constantly taking risks with their health and records?

[Unknowndonor]

I totally agree with what has been said. Floyd, IMO, has the RJJ effect going. Roy was undefeated{Discredit the DQ}, but was fighting mandatories. Granted, some of them were good fighters, they weren't up to par with Roy's talent. You can't blame him completely for that. Just because he is the best, doesn't mean he can just fight who the "public" wants. At one time, Mosely was 1 p4p, and Tito was two, Roy was third. If those two fighters hadn't been undefeated at the time, would they still be ranked higher than Roy? Mosely had beat Oscar, but skipped 140 almost altogether. Why was he #1. Tito had beaten everyone convincingly{with the exception of Oscar}. So why was Mosely #1 on everyone's list, when after Oscar, he was fighting nobodys? Times have changed, but at that time, Tito {pre-Hopkins}, should have been #1,IMO. Floyd is by far the best boxer right now, and will recieve extra criticism, and should rise to the occasion. No doubt. But, Barrera doesn't deserve to be ahead of him, and those who say Hatton deserves to be ahead of him, are basing that on one fight. Like it or not, beating Tszyu, and who, oh, Maussa. Is nopt the same as beating Corrales,Castilllo 2 times,N'dou, skip the next guy, Gatti {on a hot streak}, and Mitchell. Fighters with great talent carry more responsibility than fighters who are average, but go to war. Morrales is one of my all-time favs, but after Barrera 1, everyone said he was a chump, and didn't perform up to par. He still won. I've been watching Floyd since his amatuers, and have watched him blossum. If I wasn't a true fan, I would almost like to see him lose to Zab, just to come back with a vengeance, and wipe out the comp. But thats what I like most about him that everyone else hates. He should be the "Sugar Ray Leonard" of today, but he's not. He's a bad guy, that everyone wants to lose. Like Tyson. Anyway, the way I look at it is this, Floyd is the NY Yankees of boxing. He has the most talent, and the best conditioning. He is the evil empire, that has the easy way. You either love him or hate him, and if you love him, you are usually called a band-wagoner. Even if he loses, Floyd has great talent, determination, work ethic, and heart. And noone can take that away from him. One last thing, He didn't duck Hatton. If you have to blame someone, blame Bob Arum for having another undefeated fighter in the same weight class, pushing the better fighter up, because he is that talented.

[Unknowndonor]

Oh yea, to The Game. I'm just a fan of the sport. Everyone has favorites, but I try not to let that blind me.


And to Gyrokai, Good discussion agreed.

[seagull]

"I’ll say this about you, Steve, I admire your willingness to go on record with your prediction BEFORE the fight takes place."


And when should you predict a fight ? AFTER its happened ?

[Hairdoo]

At one time, Mosely was 1 p4p, and Tito was two, Roy was third. If those two fighters hadn't been undefeated at the time, would they still be ranked higher than Roy? Mosely had beat Oscar, but skipped 140 almost altogether. Why was he #1. Tito had beaten everyone convincingly{with the exception of Oscar}. So why was Mosely #1 on everyone's list, when after Oscar, he was fighting nobodys? Times have changed, but at that time, Tito {pre-Hopkins}, should have been #1,IMO.

Thanks for making me think about Oscar!! You could say he won both the Tito fight and the 2nd Mosely fight when Shane was the popular pick as p4p1! He moves up another weight wins a world title and is competitive against Hopkins. Mosely won his 1st title at Lightweight, Dela Hoya won his at Super Featherweight, Floyd also won his Super Featherweight, could any of you see Floyd doing a better job against the Sturm and Hopkins that Oscar fought? By rights Oscar has more claim to number 1 than Floyd.

beating Tszyu, and who, oh, Maussa. Is nopt the same as beating Corrales,Castilllo 2 times,N'dou, skip the next guy, Gatti {on a hot streak}, and Mitchell.

I dont blame Floyd for not fighting Hatton at all but I'm not going to give him any more credit or a higher position p4p than he earnt back in 2002. The beating Hatton put on the version of Kostya that destroyed Sharmba is p4p worthy! Kostya was top 5 p4p. Where on your p4p list did you have Corrales, Castillo, N'dou and Gatti when Floyd fought them?