Mind the Gap

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[Master]

It was big during Labour government but got worse under Tory austerity, privatising, weakening employment rights, reducing benefits and creating more zero contracts under their reign.

[boyla]

Problem with the UK, is if you don't work your quality of life, at least financially is better than someone who works.

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Problem with the UK, is if you don't work your quality of life, at least financially is better than someone who works.

That is not even true for most people on minimum wage jobs. I agree that anyone working should be taking home more than those who are unemployed but the problem is not the unemployed, it is the poor stagnated wages of the average working person when the disparity between them and those at the very top is indefensibly propped up by the policies of a political class who are intent on keeping it that way. The tax threshold should be higher to encourage working, yes, but very few want to live their life paying off a landlord rather than a mortgage and having the stigma of not being employed.

Anyone can find themselves claiming benefits through no fault of their own. It does not help when the minority are reckless with their choices are are fraudulent but they are the minority and the problem is in the avoidance of tax by the super rich who are trying to normalise people like veterans and the disabled falling through the net and dying whilst that 1% avoid acting responsibly.

[TitoFan]

The design and enforcement of the systems is many times at fault. I can't speak for the UK, but in PR as well as in the US, benefits for the unemployed can sometimes dissuade a person from working depending on that person's pay scale. There's a fine line between working one or two jobs while barely being able to pay your bills... and claiming benefits that may be 5% less in total (or 5% more)... and not having to work. That's where the mentality of the individual kicks in. If the system makes it tough to decide, something's wrong.

[El Kabong]

Stagnant wages? Sounds like a job for masses of immigrants who by making the very lowest wages in England (or the US) will be making the most money they ever have in their lives....which in turn fucks over the folks making relatively low wages already in the UK or US.


It'll be even better once there's robots doing those jobs.....ain't gotta pay them shit and they don't need a break at all.

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Stagnant wages? Sounds like a job for masses of immigrants who by making the very lowest wages in England (or the US) will be making the most money they ever have in their lives....which in turn fucks over the folks making relatively low wages already in the UK or US.


It'll be even better once there's robots doing those jobs.....ain't gotta pay them shit and they don't need a break at all.

Sounds like you are obsessed by immigrants. Your President is the child of Immigrants, the fact that you are White American means your ancestors too were immigrants. Surprisingly though, not everything is the fault of Immigrants.

In the UK, where you don't fucking live, there is no evidence that unskilled migrants suppress wages, even without considering skilled migrants, it is a Tory/Conservative fallacy, an immigration policy based on your and the Tories distaste for 'Low skilled workers'. You are fucked if you want to use logic to excuse your bigotry. You believe in Markets and yet here you are arguing for centralized Government control in another country based on your own disgusting distaste for it. Most immigrants in the UK come from the EU and are far better educated than the Brits. Young, well educated and hard working but you never mention them. One would have to ask themselves why that is? oh and students. I suppose you find them being immigrants disgusting too? Are they an invading army? Or is it the Refugees who will massively increase after Brexit. The EU has the Schengen passport free agreement in places BUT NOT THE UK. WE HAVE BORDER CHECKS. You have been sold a lie because like a hungry Sea Lion you were drooling in anticipation of something so fishy. Then you swallowed it whole. Not a good look.


"..the empirical evidence shows that EU immigration has not had significantly negative effects on average employment, wages or inequality for British people." http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2016/0...ag-down-wages/