PBF v. Mosley would be a big mismatch

[El Gamo]

Agree with the last part of your statement,however,to say that Judah losing to Tszyu was a greater achievement than Tony beating Cintron is really poor. and you and I know both know that "man who beat the man" is nonsense.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Agree with the last part of your statement,however,to say that Judah losing to Tszyu was a greater achievement than Tony beating Cintron is really poor. and you and I know both know that "man who beat the man" is nonsense.

yeah its bad that he lost, and how can he benfit from a lost with Tony winning...well it's simple...KT was known and Judah gave him trouble in the first, right? And many believe KO's that early in a fight among two good fighters could be a fluke, esp when the KO'ed fighter won the first round so convincingly...much like even though Vitaly lost to Lennox, he actually benefited by that lost because Lennox was recognized as a champ, and vitaly was giving him fits, and winning...to lose against a publically recognized great fighter is sometimes better than beating an unknown fighter...and in the case of Judah KT...it's not as if Judah was beaten up in the 1st round then KO'ed he actually won the first easily...that's why he was still marketable...I only used the beat the man logic because like i said they still have to sell the fight...and the public will say things like

"didn't judah beat spinks, and spinks beat Mayorga, right?"

" So spinks must be real good because he beat him, and mayorga KO'ed forrest, right?"

"Didn't forrest beat Shane, and Shane is real good"

Conclusion: tickets sold, because of how the public relates these separate fights together...that's why I'm saying that Tony's needs to fight someone of real note....can't use Six-heads because he got KO'ed by Mayorga before he actually beat someone to give him a chain in the "beat the man" logic....

[Mr. Nightmare]

Good point. Cuz one fighter beats someone who beats someone else, dont make the first guy a goos fighter. Some guys we never heard of beat Glen Johnson, who KO'd RJJ, does that mean those guys who beat Johnson can beat RJJ?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Good point. Cuz one fighter beats someone who beats someone else, dont make the first guy a goos fighter. Some guys we never heard of beat Glen Johnson, who KO'd RJJ, does that mean those guys who beat Johnson can beat RJJ?

No it doesn't...but in the matter of selling seats...i'd bet part of the marketing strategy would be...

"Tonight Omar Shieka takes on Joe Calzaghe, Who is Omar Shieka you ask? Well he beat Glenn Johnson and we all know Glen Johnson is one of the only men to Knockout the great Roy Jones"

you see the point...Not in the matter of real boxing students, beat the man doesn't matter as much...but when you're trying to sell seats it matters most....

[Mr. Nightmare]

Thats a fair point. The general public bites at those types of facts that really dont matter.

But real boxing folk like us know those theories rarely make sense.

[El Gamo]

Good point. Cuz one fighter beats someone who beats someone else, dont make the first guy a goos fighter. Some guys we never heard of beat Glen Johnson, who KO'd RJJ, does that mean those guys who beat Johnson can beat RJJ?

No it doesn't...but in the matter of selling seats...i'd bet part of the marketing strategy would be...

"Tonight Omar Shieka takes on Joe Calzaghe, Who is Omar Shieka you ask? Well he beat Glenn Johnson and we all know Glen Johnson is one of the only men to Knockout the great Roy Jones"

you see the point...Not in the matter of real boxing students, beat the man doesn't matter as much...but when you're trying to sell seats it matters most....

Aaaaah,now I see what you mean,in terms of selling seats,yes you are indeed correct but still I would rather defeat an unbeaten prosepect than get KTFO and throw a tantrum afterwards and yes,we true fans know better.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Good point. Cuz one fighter beats someone who beats someone else, dont make the first guy a goos fighter. Some guys we never heard of beat Glen Johnson, who KO'd RJJ, does that mean those guys who beat Johnson can beat RJJ?

No it doesn't...but in the matter of selling seats...i'd bet part of the marketing strategy would be...

"Tonight Omar Shieka takes on Joe Calzaghe, Who is Omar Shieka you ask? Well he beat Glenn Johnson and we all know Glen Johnson is one of the only men to Knockout the great Roy Jones"

you see the point...Not in the matter of real boxing students, beat the man doesn't matter as much...but when you're trying to sell seats it matters most....

Aaaaah,now I see what you mean,in terms of selling seats,yes you are indeed correct but still I would rather defeat an unbeaten prosepect than get KTFO and throw a tantrum afterwards and yes,we true fans know better.

Nah man we see eye to eye 100%....Tony and Hatton are the only fights that need to made for PBF...yeah i agree those are two fight i'd pay to see period...but I'm just defending my 2nd favorite fighter PBF, if he chooses not to fight Tony based off the selling seats argument. I wouldn't be mad....

[NorthSideX4]

that would be a good fight but at the same time Mosley is past his prime & Floyd would have a better chance now then if he fought a prime Mosley & INO Mosley would beat Floyd

[terrorsid]

Ok FLOYD JOCKIES FORRESTER HAD MOSLEYS STLYE DOWNLOADED AND HE JUST WAS THE BETTER MAN AND THE SAME WITH WINKY... BUT TO SAY THAT PRETTY BOY WOULD BEAT MOSLEY... HOW? MOSLEY IS A WARRIOR HE WAS SPEED AND POWER AND STAMINA BRAINS HE'S DAMN NEAR A TOTAL PACKAGE. FLOYD JUST FOUGHT JUDAH AND IN THE EARLY ROUNDS WHEN BOTH FIGHTERS WERE AT 100% U SAW THE OUTCOME OF THAT. ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT MAYWEATHER CAN STAND MOSLEYS SPEED AND POWER MIGHT AS WELL BE A FLOYD CHEERLEADER. FLOYD TO ME HONESTLY IS THE SMARTEST BOXER TODAY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S ELITE WHEN HE FIGHTS FIGHTERS WITH SPEED HE JUST LOOKS NORMAL (JUDAH,MITCHELL) HE'S BEEN CAUGHT WITH FLUSH HITS AND THERE NOT ELITE FIGHTERS THEIR ON A C LEVEL. WHETHER U ADMIT IT OR NOT HE WONT LATER AGAINST MOSLEY BUT I CANT CONVINCE FLOYD FANS THERE BLIND TO ALOT OF STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO HIM LIKE WHEN JUDAH KNOCKED HIM DOWN MANY PEOPLE STILL SAY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BUT JUST WATCH IN TIME PEOPLE WILL SEE

[terrorsid]

I BET MAYWEATHER IS GONNA FIGHT MARGARITO INSTEAD OF MOSLEY OR SOME OTHER SLUM OVER HE KNOWS HE CAN BEAT

[JonesJrMayweather]

that would be a good fight but at the same time Mosley is past his prime & Floyd would have a better chance now then if he fought a prime Mosley & INO Mosley would beat Floyd

Prime mosely vs floyd at 135 yeah he'd beat floyd. but floyd is just now reaching his prime, i think he didn't reached his prime until after the fights with castillo, corrales and chavez, that's when he became the complete fighter..mayweather is in his prime now...this mayweather vs prime shane would be close and too hard to call

[El Gamo]

Good point. Cuz one fighter beats someone who beats someone else, dont make the first guy a goos fighter. Some guys we never heard of beat Glen Johnson, who KO'd RJJ, does that mean those guys who beat Johnson can beat RJJ?

No it doesn't...but in the matter of selling seats...i'd bet part of the marketing strategy would be...

"Tonight Omar Shieka takes on Joe Calzaghe, Who is Omar Shieka you ask? Well he beat Glenn Johnson and we all know Glen Johnson is one of the only men to Knockout the great Roy Jones"

you see the point...Not in the matter of real boxing students, beat the man doesn't matter as much...but when you're trying to sell seats it matters most....

Aaaaah,now I see what you mean,in terms of selling seats,yes you are indeed correct but still I would rather defeat an unbeaten prosepect than get KTFO and throw a tantrum afterwards and yes,we true fans know better.

Nah man we see eye to eye 100%....Tony and Hatton are the only fights that need to made for PBF...yeah i agree those are two fight i'd pay to see period...but I'm just defending my 2nd favorite fighter PBF, if he chooses not to fight Tony based off the selling seats argument. I wouldn't be mad....

Cool Click bro,Finaaaaallllly we see eye to eye about something but um I disagree with the last part of your statement, I would much rather see Floyd fight someone who is seen as dangerous IE Margarito than fight MitchellBrusseles or even Judah. If you checked my posts from waaaay back I did not rate Judah,it was not just after the Floyd fight. I want to see Floyd REALLY tested and I know my boy Margarito can be the one to push,I'm not sure Margarito would win because Floyd is phenomenal but I just think for us tru fans that fight needs to be made and I say to you,Mayweather fan to Mayweather fan,would you not rather see Floyd stay in a division,clean it out so there can be no arguments as to how good he truly is?I cannot understand his obsession with being multiple weight champ and I think if he goes up to 154 anbd then straight back to fight sAY Hatton,that could be his undoing? I think Mayweather has the talent to beat everyone,I just would like to see the others get a crack though.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Ok FLOYD JOCKIES FORRESTER HAD MOSLEYS STLYE DOWNLOADED AND HE JUST WAS THE BETTER MAN AND THE SAME WITH WINKY... BUT TO SAY THAT PRETTY BOY WOULD BEAT MOSLEY... HOW? MOSLEY IS A WARRIOR HE WAS SPEED AND POWER AND STAMINA BRAINS HE'S DAMN NEAR A TOTAL PACKAGE. FLOYD JUST FOUGHT JUDAH AND IN THE EARLY ROUNDS WHEN BOTH FIGHTERS WERE AT 100% U SAW THE OUTCOME OF THAT. ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT MAYWEATHER CAN STAND MOSLEYS SPEED AND POWER MIGHT AS WELL BE A FLOYD CHEERLEADER. FLOYD TO ME HONESTLY IS THE SMARTEST BOXER TODAY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S ELITE WHEN HE FIGHTS FIGHTERS WITH SPEED HE JUST LOOKS NORMAL (JUDAH,MITCHELL) HE'S BEEN CAUGHT WITH FLUSH HITS AND THERE NOT ELITE FIGHTERS THEIR ON A C LEVEL. WHETHER U ADMIT IT OR NOT HE WONT LATER AGAINST MOSLEY BUT I CANT CONVINCE FLOYD FANS THERE BLIND TO ALOT OF STUFF WHEN IT COMES TO HIM LIKE WHEN JUDAH KNOCKED HIM DOWN MANY PEOPLE STILL SAY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BUT JUST WATCH IN TIME PEOPLE WILL SEE

first here are my top 5 fav all time----RJJ,PBF,EHoly,SSM,TITO,...and you say that floyd looked normal against a speed guy..i love Shane, but who was it that he fought that could even be close to same speed as judah? and a southpaw at that? And now you're out of you're mind to call judah C-rated and Shamba...you just don't like PBF...and if you don't call floyd elite...i'd like to now who is....