Pacquiao vs. Marquez III - Saturday fight/chat thread

[saltwaterjag]

Also for those that don't believe that styles make fights, and that everyone has their kryptonite, I will remind you of Jones Jr and Tarver....

EXACTLY!!! But alot of these numskulls don't know that...

All I have to say is SIGN THE PAPERS MAYWEATHER!

Manny told Max Kellerman after the fight when asked about fighting Floyd "LETS GET IT ON!"

What else did you you expect a guy to say that was humiliated> hahaha! you sad troll I wont be able to mock you since you will be banned by tomorrow

Banned for what? And it's "You are sad" not you sad... Your grammar is what's sad...HAHA

[Mudge]

Ledderman and the whole HBO team are just flat out wrong IMO.

That being said, I feel like I need to watch this fight again to have an accurate read on it.

The last thing HBO wants is to have the house fighter, who has tons of followers throwing $$$$$$$$ into the Vegas casinos, lose. They also don't want any controversy about the win.

Lederman, Lampley,et al are strictly stooges for them

Meh to this comment. Round by round they gave their thoughts / opinions on camera about the winner of that round.

I remember the De la hoya vs Sturm fight in which Sturm clearly won (wicked laser jab). Lampley and crew were clearly disappointed when De le hoya won and commented about the politics of the upcoming fight between De la hoya and Hopkins.

Point being, I don't believe that the HBO announcers are out to "throw the fight" so to speak.

I too am interested in re-watching to see if my opining changes on the outcome (I had Paq ahead, though barely). I think Marquez would have won if he pressed (I think he clearly outboxed Pac and had much better accuracy, though just laid off to many rounds at the end).

[saltwaterjag]

I'm sure some of the people who wanted Pac to win will play this out to be a close fight and understandable decision. I just want to know where the logical case is for Pac in this fight. The first 2 fights I always kept my mouth closed because they realistically could have went to either fighter so it gives the judges a lot of discretion. No robbery in those. But this fight JMM clearly outboxed Pac and had him whiffing and frustrated. Even Roach told Pac he was behind. Can even the biggest Pac boy agree/lie with Pac winning 8 rounds? Well, in the end we'll get our usual arguments and the people who saw Pac winning will keep their stance and while this time JMM really did get robbed and has a right to place one of those shirts on Pac, Roach, Arum, and the rest of the team. Tonight boxing proved it really is business before anything.

What? Manny Landed more punches and Power punches. Check Compubox sucka! To be the man you have to beat the man! Marquez didn't deserve to win.. He could have yes had he pressed the fight.. This was not one of Manny's bet showings but he still won.. Bring on D-Bag Gayweather!

Here's the problem with basing a fight argument on compubox. First off, have you ever watched Olympic scoring and saw live the errors/favortism when they have to score the punches landed? Compubox is even worse you just get the final tally at the end of the round and fight. You don't see the count as the actual punches are suppse to be landing. Secondly, the amount of punches landed in the fight could have been dispersed in bunches and not necessarily consistent throughout the fight. This is necessary to win more rounds. Also, compubox doesn't account for how hard or effective those punches were. A power right hand mostly whiffing while grazing the target is still counted as a landed power punch and account for the same value as a devasting power shot that buckles or turns the opponent. Watching the fight itself is what gets the job done not reading it on paper.

Did you see Marquezs face? He was black and blue.. Manny got cut from a head butt and wasn't as swole up as Marquez.. Clearly Manny landed the more effective power shots...

[generalbulldog]

You also count a fight on a round by round basis. The overall punch count is oftentimes a pretty irrelevant statistic. It also doesn't highlight where the effective power shots are landed either. Everything is counted the same and that isn't how you score a fight.

Now this is a valid argument. But someone here said that you can't use punch stats when it fits one's agenda in an argument and be inconsistent against it in others. And I agree. People like to cite punch stats as a major part of argument that Pac lost the first 2 fights. And I think now you have a Pac defender here citing punch stats that Pac won in the 3rd fight, and someone here said you can't use punch stats for the 3rd fight. So which is it? Because there is a saying, you can't have your cake and eat it too or you can't have it both ways.

[JT Rock]

Also for those that don't believe that styles make fights, and that everyone has their kryptonite, I will remind you of Jones Jr and Tarver....

EXACTLY!!! But alot of these numskulls don't know that...

All I have to say is SIGN THE PAPERS MAYWEATHER!

Manny told Max Kellerman after the fight when asked about fighting Floyd "LETS GET IT ON!"

What else did you you expect a guy to say that was humiliated> hahaha! you sad troll I wont be able to mock you since you will be banned by tomorrow

Banned for what? And it's "You are sad" not you sad... Your grammar is what's sad...HAHA

go celebrate the shit the bed with your hero

[saltwaterjag]

Ledderman and the whole HBO team are just flat out wrong IMO.

That being said, I feel like I need to watch this fight again to have an accurate read on it.

The last thing HBO wants is to have the house fighter, who has tons of followers throwing $$$$$$$$ into the Vegas casinos, lose. They also don't want any controversy about the win.

Lederman, Lampley,et al are strictly stooges for them

Meh to this comment. Round by round they gave their thoughts / opinions on camera about the winner of that round.

I remember the De la hoya vs Sturm fight in which Sturm clearly won (wicked laser jab). Lampley and crew were clearly disappointed when De le hoya won and commented about the politics of the upcoming fight between De la hoya and Hopkins.

Point being, I don't believe that the HBO announcers are out to "throw the fight" so to speak.

I too am interested in re-watching to see if my opining changes on the outcome (I had Paq ahead, though barely). I think Marquez would have won if he pressed (I think he clearly outboxed Pac and had much better accuracy, though just laid off to many rounds at the end).

Agreed Fully! Marquez could have won this fight but he didn't press when he should have.. And Nacho Libra telling him he is winning the fight towards the end didn't help that much..

[JT Rock]

Alright then please eat shit you absantee manny fans. That farce will beat Floyd??

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What? Styles make fights.. Just because Marquez can hang with Manny doesn't mean Floyd can..<br />
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Why your hero couldn't best a 38 year old handpicked walk in the park. I laugh at marks like you who need to cling on false hope to
Enrich your life. Hey 2 post Johnny give a dollar to the jimmy fund you'll feel better. The proof that mark is cleverly marketed is apparent. I Hate Bradley but he would wipe his ass with PAC while eating tofu . Lol at you!
I see you are just as Classless a Floyd... DUCK!

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LMAO.. You have bumped your head.. Floyd is str8 Bitch.. We will see if DUCKWEATHER will sign the papers..Floyd almost got KO'd by ZAB JUDAH... He has trouble with southpaws.. MANY will drop Floyd garaunteed!

your little hero boy got bitched slapped and owned by a 38 year old. HAHAHA! he was gunshy because his free meal bit him.

Foo Fighters, "there goes my hero watch him shit the bed"

You are clueless.....

sure thing

[blegit]

I'm sure some of the people who wanted Pac to win will play this out to be a close fight and understandable decision. I just want to know where the logical case is for Pac in this fight. The first 2 fights I always kept my mouth closed because they realistically could have went to either fighter so it gives the judges a lot of discretion. No robbery in those. But this fight JMM clearly outboxed Pac and had him whiffing and frustrated. Even Roach told Pac he was behind. Can even the biggest Pac boy agree/lie with Pac winning 8 rounds? Well, in the end we'll get our usual arguments and the people who saw Pac winning will keep their stance and while this time JMM really did get robbed and has a right to place one of those shirts on Pac, Roach, Arum, and the rest of the team. Tonight boxing proved it really is business before anything.

What? Manny Landed more punches and Power punches. Check Compubox sucka! To be the man you have to beat the man! Marquez didn't deserve to win.. He could have yes had he pressed the fight.. This was not one of Manny's bet showings but he still won.. Bring on D-Bag Gayweather!

Here's the problem with basing a fight argument on compubox. Have you ever witnessed Olympic scoring when they count the punches landed live as the fight is going? You see the errors/favortism made and how inaccurate the count actually is. Compubox is worse. You don't get to see anything but their final tally at the end of the round and fight. Also, the final tally doesn't account for how the punches were dispersed in each round. Each round is a new scoring segment so it must be won regardless what happened before. You can't rely on the total punchstats to score rounds won. Another error is that it doesn't account for how effective the punches were. If the fighters are throwing power punches at the same time and one mainly whiffs but grazes his opponent and the other lands flush and buckles his opponent they will both be credited with landing a power punch of equal value. If you actually watch the fight you will see the difference and how untrue that is. So lets stick to watching, sucka

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Manny Pacquiao won but it isn't a convincing win. Now I'm sure that Mayweather will be more than happy to face Manny with or without the blood test. But I am not looking forward to it anymore. I don't see Manny winning that fight.

[Youngblood]

scorecards:

[Truth]

I'll have to score the fight round by round with a proper video tomorrow, but looking at the fight holistically I think Marquez edged it.

[saltwaterjag]

You also count a fight on a round by round basis. The overall punch count is oftentimes a pretty irrelevant statistic. It also doesn't highlight where the effective power shots are landed either. Everything is counted the same and that isn't how you score a fight.

Now this is a valid argument. But someone here said that you can't use punch stats when it fits one's agenda in an argument and be inconsistent against it in others. And I agree. People like to cite punch stats as a major part of argument that Pac lost the first 2 fights. And I think now you have a Pac defender here citing punch stats that Pac won in the 3rd fight, and someone here said you can't use punch stats for the 3rd fight. So which is it? Because there is a saying, you can't have your cake and eat it too or you can't have it both ways.

I wasn't even citing the punch stats was the main reason he won the fight because I really don't believe in judging a fight by punch count.. You can tell who got the better of who in a round and that's the way it should be judged imo.. My main reason for saying the decision was the right one is because Manny is the champ, and you have to beat the champ decisively to win...Period. Marquez did not do that...

[Althugz]

Why does Max Kellerman get such a shit time from everyone as well? He is the only one of the callers who isn't senile and has no problem calling out the shitty card of Harold Letterman - I like his no bullshit, call it down the middle style.

When the rest of them are spunking their load the whole fight about Pacquaio, Kellerman brings them back down to earth. You can tell he just loves the sport and see's a lot more that the others don't (Obviously apart from Steward)

[Gandalf]

scorecards:

Those cards are seriously fucked up.

[saltwaterjag]

scorecards:

Those cards are seriously fucked up.

Haha!