Sam Peter-James Toney September 2nd!

[cipralex]

Why is Toney fighting S. Peter when he had the chance to fight for a title against Wlad?

What happened to his “I will clean out the heavyweight division within 18 monts”? You don’t clean out a division by fighting other contenders.

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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Winston Churchill

[ender]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

[1st rd ko]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

sound like alot of BS. peters people have more more $$$ than Wlads

plus Wlad would KTFO JFAT in much the same way he did byrd. id much rather see JFAT vs BRYD than all these stupid "HW" fights they are trying to get.

[Wacko3205]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

[Violent Demise]

Why is Toney fighting S. Peter when he had the chance to fight for a title against Wlad?

What happened to his “I will clean out the heavyweight division within 18 monts”? You don’t clean out a division by fighting other contenders.

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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Winston Churchill

He'll clean out Burger King before he cleans out the Heavyweight division

[ender]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

No I doubt Toney , too. He was offered 1.5 for Wlad . Not sure what he is getting for Peter .

He was talking to us at Caesar's. Bascially a bunch of writers form all the sites getting drunk. I'd be cautious if I were Toney,too .

[BoxingCoachBW]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

I totally agree,

I feel that if Toney had even half the money offered from Wlad's camp that he would take it, if it meant getting a world title...I think Toney is flat out scared of Wlad(Even though Toney takes alot of fights), I just cant see the math for his exscuse here...

Sure Peter might sound like an easy fight for Toney, I think he is wrong to underestimate this kid....

[Wacko3205]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

No I doubt Toney , too. He was offered 1.5 for Wlad . Not sure what he is getting for Peter .

He was talking to us at Caesar's. Bascially a bunch of writers form all the sites getting drunk. I'd be cautious if I were Toney,too .

If I were Toney (thank Christmas I am not) I would bust through brick walls like the gotdam Kool-Aid Man to get away from Wlad.

Honestly...Wlad could put a severe hurting on Toney.

Back in the day (Year or year & 1/2 ago) when he was calling out Vitali...I was amused because I knew that Vitali would put a beat down on him...but honestly...Wlad would slaughter him...& I aint that big of a Wlad fan...yet.

No way in hell Peter's people can get up that kind of figure to surpass a Toney Wlad match...unless HBO is backing it & backing it hard.

That'd be a lot of hype to sell that fight as neither of them has proven jack shat at 200lbs.

[Taeth]

I think the only way for Sam to win is to ignore the head and work Toney's body... I can't see Toney if he is out of shape taking the true power of Samuel's for 12 rounds to the body... I can't see anyone in the heavyweight division taken his power to the body maybe ever.

[Majesty]

James Toney is going to win, if he loses he is very much over the hill. I would rather see Rahman vs. Peter. They are both limited but it would be exciting!!!!

[mucho testosterone]

Why is Toney fighting S. Peter when he had the chance to fight for a title against Wlad?

What happened to his “I will clean out the heavyweight division within 18 monts”? You don’t clean out a division by fighting other contenders.

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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Winston Churchill

I said it a month ago man.........TONEY WILL NEVER GET IN THE RING WITH WLAD. Trust me man...he knows he would be on his back counting lights before the night was through.

[Lords Gym]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

I totally agree,

I feel that if Toney had even half the money offered from Wlad's camp that he would take it, if it meant getting a world title...I think Toney is flat out scared of Wlad(Even though Toney takes alot of fights), I just cant see the math for his exscuse here...

Sure Peter might sound like an easy fight for Toney, I think he is wrong to underestimate this kid....

I think Toney is telling the truth. Peter brings more money to the table because quite frankly Peter is more exciting crowd pleasing fighter, He puts more a$$es in seats, and its a better fight for the fans . Both Toney and Peter fight in the pocket. . ,its a more competitive match-up . People are sick of the 12 round hug Fests. Wlad need to fight someone his own height like that 7"2 Valv fellow. Let him punch and grab on that big SOB. That's the way i see it anyway.

[mucho testosterone]

I knew that he would do this....I knew that he would talk about the possibility of fighting Wlad so it looks like he's not scared, and then find another reason to fight someone else.


There is a belt at steak here for sakes. He's turning down a title fight, which will more than likely bring more money, to fight Peter??

It has nothing to do with money...It has everything to do with Toney wanting nothing to do with Wlad.


I'm afraid that if Toney stepped in the ring with Wlad there would be no hugging.....just pounding...James would never get through the jab to be effective.

This would be the very definition of target practice for Wlad. AND trust me...if Wlad contacts Toney half as many times as Rahman did, his corner will have to scoop him up off of the floor.

[Lords Gym]

I knew that he would do this....I knew that he would talk about the possibility of fighting Wlad so it looks like he's not scared, and then find another reason to fight someone else.


There is a belt at steak here for sakes. He's turning down a title fight, which will more than likely bring more money, to fight Peter??

It has nothing to do with money...It has everything to do with Toney wanting nothing to do with Wlad.


I'm afraid that if Toney stepped in the ring with Wlad there would be no hugging.....just pounding...James would never get through the jab to be effective.

This would be the very definition of target practice for Wlad. AND trust me...if Wlad contacts Toney half as many times as Rahman did, his corner will have to scoop him up off of the floor.

Your probably right about Wlad beating up on Toney if that fight were to happen . 6"7 250 vs. 5"9 217 not a good match-up for the 5"9 guy , unless he is a huge puncher like Tua , which Toney is not. Peter- Toney is a better and more competitive fight, As for it not being a title fight who cares ? the IBF sanctioning fees for the fight with Wlad aren’t worth it, cause the belts are meaningless anyway. Its smart business for Toney. Off the subject did you know John Ruiz is still the number #1 Contender in the WBA . he lost too Roy Jones, Toney, and Valv, and Holyfield if you ask me. unbefukinleavable .. How do we get rid of this guy ?

[Bx730NY]

As per your comment about how certain rules apply to certain fighters, it's been that way since the dawn of time and it won't end anytime soon.

As for Wlad, yeah he beat the S*** out of Sam...he got hit in the back of the head twice, where were the point deductions or warnings for that. Not only did he hit Wlad in the back of the head but also Julius "The 7 foot coward" Long. Say what you will about holding, Lewis did it, Ali did it, Frans Botha, John Ruiz, etc when was the last time one of those guys was penalized for it and they did it a hell of a lot more than Wlad. Also holding doesn't kill people whereas smacking people with power punches in the back of the head can

I agree McClellan vs Benn Perfect example of the dangers of rabbit punches and hitting in the back of the head

If that's the case, he should just take the punch in the face where it was originally going to land before he turned his head. Wlad that is. He was acting scared to get punched in the face and that doesn't work in this sport. If that's his best defence then he just sucks, really.