Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.

[Wacko3205]

Hey Wacko it's a very interesting article you put up but I can't help but feel a little mystified as to why you rate Baldy's chances so highly.

Mystified? By what? A variance in opinion?

So many people on this site read what I write...but they just don't SEE what I right.

I'm not highly rating his chances...I'm saying that they should not be under ratted & I'm saying that there are more factors at work here than just Floyd Mayweather jr.

Let me take you back a week or two the build up of the James Toney vs Sam Peter fight....

You felt that this fight would be a complete mismatch in favour of Toney with the former middlewight dominating his younger, heavier, stronger opponent. Even though Peter had only one defeat to the best heavyweight in the world currently fighting, and even though he decked him 3 times, you still thought that Toney would whitewash him.

At the time I thought this is higly unlikely as I stated, a pick em fight for me I said

Anyway in that fight, the skilled fighter Toney, was 38 fighting a guy 10 years younger. He was outweighed by 30 lbs, was coming off a poor showing previously and is famous for coming into his fights in less than impressive condition, yet you still thought he would dominate Peter.

Fair enough...now let me take you back...I was shocked that Toney did not dominate Peter & Peter was able to box with him...not outbox...but box with him. In a sense...that is what this article is based on losely: ANYTHING CAN & WILL HAPPEN.

That's the only way that this pertains to Mayweather vs Baldo.

I just cannot see what particular attributes of Baldy make you think he will get even close to beating Floyd? He's too slow, lacks the boxing skills and is not a big enough puncher to earn Floyds respect.

You can't see em...because I never said that he would get close to beating him...just handing him a hard night. He may be slow...but he had enough skill & power to earn Judah's respect & also enough to stop Gatti.

I cannot see this fight going any other way than a Floyd wide decision victory or a late stoppage, and to be honest in light of your previous fight picks I'm somewhat suprised that you do.

I see Floyd winning...but not by a land slide...nothing wrong with being surprised...trust me...I don't think that I couldv'e been more surprised than I was with Sam Peter's performance...& maybe I'll come away with the same thing from Baldo.

But you missed answer #2. It went like this: #2: No. I don't think that Baldo will defeat Floyd.

I just stated that I think he might have had a shot at an upset...nothing wrong with looking down both barrells.

[Kev]

Hey wacko, good response man. I'm just wandering if the Peter win (albiet a robbery imo) has made you elavate Baldomir's chances?

Because I always had you down as a great boxer will beat a buncher/brawler every time kind of man.


If Toney had dominated Peter and won a landslide, would you think that Baldy had less chance against Floyd than you do now?

[p4pking]

Hey wacko, good response man. I'm just wandering if the Peter win (albiet a robbery imo) has made you elavate Baldomir's chances?

Because I always had you down as a great boxer will beat a buncher/brawler every time kind of man.


If Toney had dominated Peter and won a landslide, would you think that Baldy had less chance against Floyd than you do now?

Don't see how the one fight pertains to the other, tbo.. Of course there's the naturally smaller and vastly more skilled opponent which Toney and PBF share... But PBF is younger than Baldomir and certainly won't come in out of shape... If he were to come into the fight with DD breasts and weighing 200 lbs Im not sure Id favour Floyd either.. But it's clear as day that if Toney HAD been in great shape he would have dominated PEter(at least imo).. So I don't see why the outcome of that fight should change anyones opinion on this one.

[Kev]

Hey wacko, good response man. I'm just wandering if the Peter win (albiet a robbery imo) has made you elavate Baldomir's chances?

Because I always had you down as a great boxer will beat a buncher/brawler every time kind of man.


If Toney had dominated Peter and won a landslide, would you think that Baldy had less chance against Floyd than you do now?

Don't see how the one fight pertains to the other, tbo.. Of course there's the naturally smaller and vastly more skilled opponent which Toney and PBF share... But PBF is younger than Baldomir and certainly won't come in out of shape... If he were to come into the fight with DD breasts and weighing 200 lbs Im not sure Id favour Floyd either.. But it's clear as day that if Toney HAD been in great shape he would have dominated PEter(at least imo).. So I don't see why the outcome of that fight should change anyones opinion on this one.

Yup I completely agree with you 100% My point is that Wacko thought that Sam Peter's size and strength advantages would play absolutely no part in his fight with Toney and that Toney would school him. That is despite the fact that Toney is 38 and out of shape and looked poor in his last outing against Rahman.

Now we come to the Mayweather Baldomir fight and Wacko thinks Baldomir's size and physical advantages will play a major part, even though Floyd is at the peak of his career, will weigh the same at the weigh in, and is always in top shape.

I'm not criticising Wacko for his picks, I'm merely asking the question, What do you see in Baldomir that will trouble Floyd and give him a hard fight that you didn't see in Sam Peter? From my perspective their advantages are the same, size and natural strength. But Peter had the additional advantages of youth and KO power, plus Toney had the disadvantages of being old and out of shape.

I hope I'm making myself clear here, it's not a criticisim of Wacko, just trying to understand his logic,

A young strong heavyweight brawler with KO power would be schooled by an old, out of shaper former middleweight

An old veteran fighter, strong and durable but without KO power would be a tough fight for a prime, in shape natural fighter.

That's all I'm saying, you would think logic would dictate that if you thought the first fight would be a clinic then this one should be even more so, and if you don't think that, then did the result of the first fight not going as you expected have any bearing on your decision to re-evaulate the second fight.

Hope that makes sense!

[Hairdoo]

I'm not criticising Wacko for his picks, I'm merely asking the question, What do you see in Baldomir that will trouble Floyd and give him a hard fight that you didn't see in Sam Peter?

brittle hands v's head of stone

[Kev]

I'm not criticising Wacko for his picks, I'm merely asking the question, What do you see in Baldomir that will trouble Floyd and give him a hard fight that you didn't see in Sam Peter?

brittle hands v's head of stone

Haha I love it! But I don't think Floyds hand will matter at all in this fight. I can see Floyd doing what he did to Coralles or what Calzaghe did to Lacy.

It's going to be a long and painful night for Baldy.

[p4pking]

I'm not criticising Wacko for his picks, I'm merely asking the question, What do you see in Baldomir that will trouble Floyd and give him a hard fight that you didn't see in Sam Peter?

brittle hands v's head of stone

Haha I love it! But I don't think Floyds hand will matter at all in this fight. I can see Floyd doing what he did to Coralles or what Calzaghe did to Lacy.

It's going to be a long and painful night for Baldy.

Im just not that sure, I think it could be an interesting fight.. Not saying Im not completely sure Floyd will win, I just don't see him doing what he did to Corrales, I don't even think it's in the question.. He slapped Corrales all over the ring like a rag doll, he was in fact much stronger than Corrales on that night aside from everything else.. Baldomir can take a WAY better shot than Corrales could dream to, he's much bigger, and much stronger.. Im just interested to see if Floyd will be able to turn him and keep him off with the elbows catch him off balance the usual stuff.. It's a good test for Mayweather imo, big strong guy he's never fought anyone near as big, really.

[Kev]

I'm not criticising Wacko for his picks, I'm merely asking the question, What do you see in Baldomir that will trouble Floyd and give him a hard fight that you didn't see in Sam Peter?

brittle hands v's head of stone

Haha I love it! But I don't think Floyds hand will matter at all in this fight. I can see Floyd doing what he did to Coralles or what Calzaghe did to Lacy.

It's going to be a long and painful night for Baldy.

Im just not that sure, I think it could be an interesting fight.. Not saying Im not completely sure Floyd will win, I just don't see him doing what he did to Corrales, I don't even think it's in the question.. He slapped Corrales all over the ring like a rag doll, he was in fact much stronger than Corrales on that night aside from everything else.. Baldomir can take a WAY better shot than Corrales could dream to, he's much bigger, and much stronger.. Im just interested to see if Floyd will be able to turn him and keep him off with the elbows catch him off balance the usual stuff.. It's a good test for Mayweather imo, big strong guy he's never fought anyone near as big, really.

I agree iit's going to be an interesting fight but I'm expecting a clinic. To me this is the kind of fight where Floyd can and will look absolutely awesome.

On the Sunday morning following the fight I ecpect two kinds of posters, 1) Those who think Floyd is possibly the greatest fighter of all time, and 2) Those who say that he beat up on an old veteran who got lucky against an unprepared Judah and an over the hill Gatti. They will then all say that they knew Floyd would kick his ass anyways

Can't wait, Floyd is going to do something real special I just know it.

[Cortez The Killer]

Indeed, I am 100% sure that Floyd will win this fight!

That is, unless he loses..




I'll be happy for baldy that he got his nice pay check; but Floyd is building a legacy and baldo is just another brick on the wall.

[Wacko3205]

Hey wacko, good response man. I'm just wandering if the Peter win (albiet a robbery imo) has made you elavate Baldomir's chances?

Because I always had you down as a great boxer will beat a buncher/brawler every time kind of man.


If Toney had dominated Peter and won a landslide, would you think that Baldy had less chance against Floyd than you do now?

Nope. Again...as I was eluding to in the last post we shared...one has nothing to with the other & Baldo is no puncher. Toney winning or losing has nothing to do with this.

Watch Baldo Gatti & Baldo Judah again. He can box...& again...I think that he's been under rated & underestimated by fans & fighters.

That being said...Floyd still wins...but I think that he will find it hard as I think Baldo's a tuff customer who can stand to be hit...how many times is the question?

[Wacko3205]

Yup I completely agree with you 100% My point is that Wacko thought that Sam Peter's size and strength advantages would play absolutely no part in his fight with Toney and that Toney would school him. That is despite the fact that Toney is 38 and out of shape and looked poor in his last outing against Rahman.

This is such as easy thing to understand.

Peter vs Toney was on September the 2nd & several several several pounds from this discussion.

My rationalization of that fight compared to this one is totally different.

Now we come to the Mayweather Baldomir fight and Wacko thinks Baldomir's size and physical advantages will play a major part, even though Floyd is at the peak of his career, will weigh the same at the weigh in, and is always in top shape.

Youv'e also neglected the fact thta I mentioned Baldomir's heart along with the fact that he can box. Peter can not. Many things play major parts...I never said Floyd wouldn't be in top shape...I just said that Baldomir should be given credit for his accomplishments & youv'e started running with the bulls.

I'm not criticising Wacko for his picks, I'm merely asking the question, What do you see in Baldomir that will trouble Floyd and give him a hard fight that you didn't see in Sam Peter? From my perspective their advantages are the same, size and natural strength. But Peter had the additional advantages of youth and KO power, plus Toney had the disadvantages of being old and out of shape.

Let me ask you this simple question: Do you think that Baldomir is one dimensional?

I for one do not. I think that he can box, has heart & determination & apparently a chin on his side & I think he can give Floyd a tuff fight...never said that he would beat Floyd...in fact I quite often said in this very article that he could not.

Also...if you want to back track to Peter Toney...I said that Toney won...a close fight that coulda gone either way...but I was fine with Peter winning for the betterment of the division.

Peter is no where near the boxer that Baldo is...so from my perspective...there's a vast difference in making that comparison.

That's all I'm saying, you would think logic would dictate that if you thought the first fight would be a clinic then this one should be even more so, and if you don't think that, then did the result of the first fight not going as you expected have any bearing on your decision to re-evaulate the second fight.

Hope that makes sense!

You can't apply the same logic to every fighter just because one is old & one is younger. Simple logic in itself dictates that no matter how much you try to make something alike...it can often surprise you.

No need in re-evaluating this fight over two unproven fat guys.

Only one of them was an accomplished boxer...both men in the up coming bout are proven to be able to box effectively.

[Kev]

Excellent breakdown as usual Wacko.

I actually do think that Baldy is one dimensionsal. I would liken him to being similar to Oleg Maskaev in that sense. He's big, durable and keeps coming forward but so does a punch bag and I don't see him being anything more than that in this fight.

Against any other fighter I'd give him one hell of a chance but against Floyd it's going to be another Calzaghe Lacy.

Baldomir has a good chin, at least that is what we are told, but I wander how well he can withstand Floyds body punches?

I'm actually so confident of a masterclass showing by Floyd that I will probably have a wager that he wins before round 11. I wander what those odds will be?

[yoitsdan]

Well Judah was handling Baldomir pretty easily before he lost focus. Expect to see the same. But I dont think PBF will get lazy

Only you could make a comment like that and truely mean it starr you need to take off those rose tineted , you've forgotten how to perceive correctly!

[yoitsdan]

There's no doubt that it will take a fighter with a similar style to Baldomir to beat floyd, someone big, strong, iron chinned and throws volume, however, they also need to be hard to hit and quicker at controlling the range, and or have concussive 1 punch power, Baldomir has a great chance but, Floyd will have to fight sloppy for more than 50% of the fight, which quite frankly seems impossible at the moment, but no man is unbeatable, and stranger things have happened. Baldomir obviously thrives on being an underdog, it brings out the best in him, and seemingly the worst out of his opponents, I'll be routing for 'tata' but ultimately, this fight is floyds to lose. Hatton or Margarito have a better shot at beating floyd IMO, lets hope we get to see it.

[El Gamo]

There's no doubt that it will take a fighter with a similar style to Baldomir to beat floyd, someone big, strong, iron chinned and throws volume, however, they also need to be hard to hit and quicker at controlling the range, and or have concussive 1 punch power, Baldomir has a great chance but, Floyd will have to fight sloppy for more than 50% of the fight, which quite frankly seems impossible at the moment, but no man is unbeatable, and stranger things have happened. Baldomir obviously thrives on being an underdog, it brings out the best in him, and seemingly the worst out of his opponents, I'll be routing for 'tata' but ultimately, this fight is floyds to lose. Hatton or Margarito have a better shot at beating floyd IMO, lets hope we get to see it.

CC,totally agree bro,well said.