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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted The Bull


    By Ted SARES


    When you think of Nigel Benn, you think of words like fury, rage, and ferocity. These were his trademarks in the ring and provided uncommon excitement and entertainment. Unfortunetely, his career defining fight ended with tragic results and sometimes detracts from his entire body of work. As one writer stated, " One man’s finest hour was the end of another man’s life as he knew it." Let's look at that work now and see how his accomplishments stack up insofar as being a prospective inductee into the Internationa Boxing Hall Of Fame.

    Record: Nigel "The Dark Destroyer" Benn, a Middleweight and Super Middleweight Champion, 42 - 5 - 1 with 35 ko's, was born in Liford, England the son of Barbadian immigrants. As an amature, Benn had a fine record of 41 wins and 1 loss. His ko percentage was an excellent 83%.

    Style: Ostensibly an orthodox fighter, he was a bomber and is still considered to be one of the hardest punchers of all time, but when he fought at the top level, he sometimes and inexplicably became somewhat unglued. Still, his ferocity and velocity were unmatched and were launched with evil intentions, the purest of rage, and often punctuated with a whirlwind of deadly hooks and uppercuts from all angles. With Nigel, the thing was his excitement and unpredicatablity. You knew what to expect...or maybe you didn’t.... which made him so exciting. He would come out bombing and winging and try to ko his opponents in short order usually knocking them out, but his "take no prisoner" strategy sometimes meant that he himself would be stopped. Some even called him one of boxing’s bad boys, and labeled his style as downright dirty. I'll refer to it as “win at all cost."

    As to the rage that seemed to be an inherent part of his persona, a reading of his compelling autobiography "Dark Destroyer," a great boxing book, offers many clues and glimpses into what made Benn fight with such ferocity and fury. It is highly recommended and rather than spoil it for you, I will keep silent as to its content. At any rate, Nigel presented an unabashedly snarling mien and personified the aura of a person you would not want to meet in a dark alley. In short, he was one tough guy!

    Quality of Opposition: Excellent. Aside from the hapless Winston Burnett (who would finish with 20-98-3), Benn fought boxers with mostly decent records in his early years, a departure from the norm. Guys like Reggie Miller, Abdul Umaru Sanda, Darren Hobson, Nicky Piper, Jamaican Anthony Logan, Kid Milo, Canadian Dan Sherry, Puerto Rican Jose Quinones, American Sanderline Williams, Congolese Mbayo Wa Mbayo, David Noel, and Argentinian Hector Lescano all came in with winning records.

    He then stepped up to a higher level to fight South African Thulani Malinga (twice), Italian and former WBC Super Middleweight champion Mauro Galvano (twice), former world champion Chris Eubank (twice), Juan Carlos Gimenez Ferreyra (46-6-3 coming in), future world champ and victor over "Sugar Boy" Mailnga (40-9 at the time), Vincenzo Nardiello (26-3), Michale Watson )21-1-1 coming in) and, of course. world champion Steve Collins (twice). While the names here might not resonate as much with an average American boxing fan as they do with one in Europe or the UK, they should strike a intimate chord with all serious boxing fans regardless of location. These fighters, along with Herol Graham and Robin Reid, represented the cream of the crop during a great era of fighters in the UK. But Benn also fought two top Americans in Iran "The Blade" Barkley (a warrior who fought in a savage manner not unlike Benn's) and the great Gerald McCllelan and beat them both by stoppage. O course, he beat Dough Dewitt as well. In short, Benn was competitive with the world's best.

    Chronology: As a juvenile, he was a delinquent to say the least, but a four-year tenure as a soldier in the Royal Fusiliers, which he credits as the turning point in his life, forced him embrace a need for self discipline. Benn turned professional in 1987 and began a remarkable streak of 22 consecutive ko wins (100% ko percentage). The streak extended until 1989 during which time he beat tough Fernin Cherino, and then won the British commonwealth Middleweight title with a win over Abdul Umaru. But he lost this title to the very tough Michael Watson by a 6th round knockout and with it his undefeated record as well.

    His next fight with limited Jorge Amparo was his first abroad and the first to go the distance. After two more wins, he got his initial opportunity at a world championship and made the most of it. He duked it out for the WBO World Middleweight champion with Doug Dewitt. Benn captured the crown by knocking out the resilient and granite-chin DeWitt (who had lasted 12 rounds against Thomas Hearns) in the 8th round. His first defense came against former world champion Iran "The Blade" Barkley and after being badly rocked himself, he knocked out Barkley in round one in a furious and savage shoot-out which was Benn's trademark. Eventually, however, he lost the world title when he was knocked out in round nine by countryman, the flamboyant Chris Eubank.

    In 1991, he ko'd the vastly underrated Robbie Sims and half-brother of Marvin Hagler. Sims had beaten Roberto Duran and many other top level fighters like Tony Chiaverini, Doug Dewitt, and John Collins. Reflective of Benn's power, that loss would be Robbie's only career stoppage defeat. He then embarked on another undefeated streak, this time reaching fifteen. After beating his future conqueror and world champion "Sugar Boy" Malinga by a 10 round decision, he won the WBC's world Super Middleweight title with a knockout in round four over defending world champion Mauro Galvano. After two more wins, he fought a rematch with with Eubank and retained his title with a twelve round draw. Next came tough Henry Wharton (undefeated coming in) and Juan Carlos Gimenez, both of whom he beat by decision.

    I am not going to dwell on Benn's next fight (with the great bomber Gerald McClellan), for it has already received voluminous treatment, but I will not ignore it either and in this regard I quote Ian McNeilly who poignantly said, "The fight was one of the best and worst to ever take place. A triumphant and tragic microcosm of boxing." Clearly, it would change Nigel's life forever:....according to his trainer, the tragic results of that fight took away Nigel's fighting spirit.

    Quoting McNeilly again, "The story of Gerald McClellan is a painful one, one that fighters, boxing writers and fans seem to find it easy not to discuss............This is because he is a living embodiment of the risks fighters take every time they step through the ropes, a reminder of the dangers that are ignored at peril. To dwell on cases like Gerald McClellan would destroy the sport. To ignore him is to debase ourselves." Hopefully, no serious boxing fan would ever ignore Gerald MeClellan.

    The "Dark Destroyer" would go on to beat future world champion Vincenzo Niardiello and game Danny Perez before losing to "Sugar Boy" Malinga the second time around by a 12 round decision. In so doing, he also would lose his WBC world title. Then, he was given a another chance at a world title.....this time the WBO's world title, but he lost to Steve Collins by 4th round knockout in Manchester (a fight in which controversy arose as to an injury to Benn's ankle)....and after losing the rematch, it was clear Nigel had come to the end of his glorious career. As writer Jack Dunne once said, ".....he lost to Steve Collins, twice by way of TKO, guess what? It was just Nigel's time, NOBODY fights forever. Father Time is STILL the undefeated, undisputed champion of the fight game, all times, all divisions."

    Some say that Nigel Benn is mostly a "forgotten warrior" perhaps because he will forever be linked to Gerald McClellan and it is admittedly painful to think of him without remembering their tragic fight, one of the most brutal slugfests of all time. But if so, that is manifestly unfair. Any assesment of Benn must be based on his entertaining style and accomplishments in the ring. Again, to quote McNeilly, "...the many who watched saw a man [Benn] reach down into his inner being and summon something to destroy a force [McClellan] supposedly greater than himself [Gerald was a 4-1 favorite]. And as we looked on, amazed and enthralled, we cheered as life slipped away from a fellow man slumped, defeated, in his corner."

    Whether he gets into the International Boxing Hall of Fame remains to be seen, but if he fails, it will not be because of his lack of providing incredible excitement and indelible memories for boxing fans throughout the world. Nigel Benn was an eccentric, a one of a kind and will not soon be forgotten by boxing aficionados.
    He now lives with his family on the Spanish island of Mallorca where he became a Born-again Christian and, later on, an ordained pastor.

    Well there it is. In recent weeks, I have done pieces on such Hall prospects as Vinny Paz, Hector Camacho, Riddick Bowe, Virgil Hill and Ray Mancini. In retrospect, I cannot help but feel Nigel Benn stacks up pretty darn well. After all, he was a two-time world champion who fought the best of UK competition at a time when that competition was keen and perhaps the best in the world, he beat two great American fighters, he always gave the crowd its money worth, and he finished with a great ko percentage.

    As for those who say, "if you have to wonder about it, then he doesn’t belong," I say baloney.....because I'll show you any number of fighters in the Hall where I would have had to "wonder about it."


    What do you think?


    "The British press hate a winner who's British. They don't like any British man to have balls as big as a cow's like I have.” Nigel Benn

    Excellent!

    Have a well deserved CC
    3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.

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    you aint disrespecting bhop are you JT ?
    Nice.....You Indian cool click giver No not at all....I was stating a fact Bernard Hopkins was a convicted felon....You Didn't know that??
    jt i did hear gerald beat up on a women or something im not sure if this is true id have to look it up
    Like I said before I dont condone his out of ring behavior..Whether these accusaions are true or not the fact is at 28 his normal everyday functional life was taken away from him, he never had a chance or the opportunity to turn his life around and be known for something positive ..
    yes jt i agree i feel sorry for him aswell i wish him the best
    Yes I feel a sense of sympathy for him, More so for his children who have to see there father in that state and cant share with them a normal parent children relationship...
    They would have had little chance either way.
    Real Classy
    Yeah just like Gerald was. What would he and his children have done together, torture kittens or something? How can you have a normal parent child relationship when your dad is a nutcase who kills animals and can barely read. Stop with the bleeding heart stuff.
    Yea Yea whatever suits your selection of righteousness.....Like I posted earlier I am sure you are so perfect...Like you dont eat Veal, You ALWAYS do the speed limit...ALWAYS obey the laws of your state and land....Dont own a stitch of leather..ETC...

    Not to mention what authority do you have to comment on someones family life or potential life you dont even know Bleeding heart..Not at all
    I don't eat any meat, not that it makes a difference or that theres anything wrong with eating meat.. All those things you say are just little BS offences, ok, everyone does those little things. I mean think a Gerald was really a sick person from everything Ive heard.. And yeah ok maybe theres some remote chance he could have turned his life around, but it rarely happens like that. I find it hilariouis how you seem to think he would have gone on to raise some well mannered children with a good family environment.. Gman supposedly always had many girlfriends on the side, and would apparently beat them up when he felt like it.. He also went to animal shelters picked up stray dogs and cats, brought them home, tied them up and had his pitbull terriers(which he bred) attack them. Yeah what a shame he's a vegetable.

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    you aint disrespecting bhop are you JT ?
    Nice.....You Indian cool click giver No not at all....I was stating a fact Bernard Hopkins was a convicted felon....You Didn't know that??
    jt i did hear gerald beat up on a women or something im not sure if this is true id have to look it up
    Like I said before I dont condone his out of ring behavior..Whether these accusaions are true or not the fact is at 28 his normal everyday functional life was taken away from him, he never had a chance or the opportunity to turn his life around and be known for something positive ..
    yes jt i agree i feel sorry for him aswell i wish him the best
    Yes I feel a sense of sympathy for him, More so for his children who have to see there father in that state and cant share with them a normal parent children relationship...
    They would have had little chance either way.
    Real Classy
    Yeah just like Gerald was. What would he and his children have done together, torture kittens or something? How can you have a normal parent child relationship when your dad is a nutcase who kills animals and can barely read. Stop with the bleeding heart stuff.
    Yea Yea whatever suits your selection of righteousness.....Like I posted earlier I am sure you are so perfect...Like you dont eat Veal, You ALWAYS do the speed limit...ALWAYS obey the laws of your state and land....Dont own a stitch of leather..ETC...

    Not to mention what authority do you have to comment on someones family life or potential life you dont even know Bleeding heart..Not at all
    I don't eat any meat, not that it makes a difference or that theres anything wrong with eating meat.. All those things you say are just little BS offences, ok, everyone does those little things. I mean think a Gerald was really a sick person from everything Ive heard.. And yeah ok maybe theres some remote chance he could have turned his life around, but it rarely happens like that. I find it hilariouis how you seem to think he would have gone on to raise some well mannered children with a good family environment.. Gman supposedly always had many girlfriends on the side, and would apparently beat them up when he felt like it.. He also went to animal shelters picked up stray dogs and cats, brought them home, tied them up and had his pitbull terriers(which he bred) attack them. Yeah what a shame he's a vegetable.
    Again The Facts are this

    Gerald has never been convicted or arraigned on any of the things you have mentioned.....BOTTOM LINE!!!!!

    Again I think you would have to have a sick and perverse out look to think someone deserves to be a vegatable for ALLEDGED things...And that his children wouldnt have had a chance at a normal life.. I like Gerald for what he did in the ring not out of it..There are so many pugilists that have done much more screwed up things than what Gerald supposedly did..

    Do we need to mention how Don King(Allegedly) Murdered 2 people when he was younger...Well shit he is the one of the Richest and powerful players not to mention he is pretty old and has lived quite a full life up to now....again to many Flaws in the Karma way of thinking...IMO

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    High five to JTROCK!

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    NO- simply not great...good though

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    Sugar_Shaw, close, then?

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    Nige was one of a kind! Looked forward to his fights even more than Tyson! From black kid in Ilford who loved a scrap in the street to most exciting fighter in the business and two-time champion of the world. Household name, the chimes of Big Ben, former East End army hero who loved nothing more than a good ole "tear-up"

    I'd say he deserves a place in the IBHOF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Shaw
    NO- simply not great...good though
    He reached legendary status with the McClellan fight

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    Indeed, mate.

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    you aint disrespecting bhop are you JT ?
    Nice.....You Indian cool click giver No not at all....I was stating a fact Bernard Hopkins was a convicted felon....You Didn't know that??
    jt i did hear gerald beat up on a women or something im not sure if this is true id have to look it up
    Like I said before I dont condone his out of ring behavior..Whether these accusaions are true or not the fact is at 28 his normal everyday functional life was taken away from him, he never had a chance or the opportunity to turn his life around and be known for something positive ..
    yes jt i agree i feel sorry for him aswell i wish him the best
    Yes I feel a sense of sympathy for him, More so for his children who have to see there father in that state and cant share with them a normal parent children relationship...
    They would have had little chance either way.
    Real Classy
    Yeah just like Gerald was. What would he and his children have done together, torture kittens or something? How can you have a normal parent child relationship when your dad is a nutcase who kills animals and can barely read. Stop with the bleeding heart stuff.
    Yea Yea whatever suits your selection of righteousness.....Like I posted earlier I am sure you are so perfect...Like you dont eat Veal, You ALWAYS do the speed limit...ALWAYS obey the laws of your state and land....Dont own a stitch of leather..ETC...

    Not to mention what authority do you have to comment on someones family life or potential life you dont even know Bleeding heart..Not at all
    I don't eat any meat, not that it makes a difference or that theres anything wrong with eating meat.. All those things you say are just little BS offences, ok, everyone does those little things. I mean think a Gerald was really a sick person from everything Ive heard.. And yeah ok maybe theres some remote chance he could have turned his life around, but it rarely happens like that. I find it hilariouis how you seem to think he would have gone on to raise some well mannered children with a good family environment.. Gman supposedly always had many girlfriends on the side, and would apparently beat them up when he felt like it.. He also went to animal shelters picked up stray dogs and cats, brought them home, tied them up and had his pitbull terriers(which he bred) attack them. Yeah what a shame he's a vegetable.
    Again The Facts are this

    Gerald has never been convicted or arraigned on any of the things you have mentioned.....BOTTOM LINE!!!!!

    Again I think you would have to have a sick and perverse out look to think someone deserves to be a vegatable for ALLEDGED things...And that his children wouldnt have had a chance at a normal life.. I like Gerald for what he did in the ring not out of it..There are so many pugilists that have done much more screwed up things than what Gerald supposedly did..

    Do we need to mention how Don King(Allegedly) Murdered 2 people when he was younger...Well S*** he is the one of the Richest and powerful players not to mention he is pretty old and has lived quite a full life up to now....again to many Flaws in the Karma way of thinking...IMO
    I'm backing you buddy

    The things that GMan is 'alleged' to have done may not be nice but you can't judge a person based on heresy.

    It also seems to me that in some people's eyes cruelty to animals is the worst crime of all which is insane. I've never heard anybody hate on Diego Coralles yet he served jail time for beating up his wife, Tyson was convicted of rape, Hop jailed for armed robbery, Rahman and Mayorga both used to run with street gangs. Clifford Ettiene is indside for attempted murder of a police officer, Bowe beat up his wife.

    Outside boxing, the actor Tom Sizemore was in prison recently for battering his wife and other offenses, the world respected director Roman Polanski has been on the run from American justice for 30 years for raping a 13 year old girl, the singer James Brown has served many years in prison for various offenses including assualt and battery, carrying a gun, assualting a police officer and more. Pamela Andersons ex Tommy Lee served time for beating her up in front of her kids.

    Don King beat a man to death and I'm sure there are literally hundreds of other offenses that have been committed by a number of other boxers, promoters and non boxing people alike.

    But Gerald fought dogs so is the most evil of all

    Listen I don't think it's nice to harm animals but Gerald grew up in a mean enviroment. He was a born fighter and had a fighters instinct. He chose as pets dogs with the same fighting instinct and fought them in the same manner that he fought himself.

    Was it cruel, yes, does it make him evil personified, absolutely not.

    It's a cliche to say it but you can't judge a man unless you've walked in his shoes........

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    Props to Bilbo!

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    you aint disrespecting bhop are you JT ?
    Nice.....You Indian cool click giver No not at all....I was stating a fact Bernard Hopkins was a convicted felon....You Didn't know that??
    jt i did hear gerald beat up on a women or something im not sure if this is true id have to look it up
    Like I said before I dont condone his out of ring behavior..Whether these accusaions are true or not the fact is at 28 his normal everyday functional life was taken away from him, he never had a chance or the opportunity to turn his life around and be known for something positive ..
    yes jt i agree i feel sorry for him aswell i wish him the best
    Yes I feel a sense of sympathy for him, More so for his children who have to see there father in that state and cant share with them a normal parent children relationship...
    They would have had little chance either way.
    Real Classy
    Yeah just like Gerald was. What would he and his children have done together, torture kittens or something? How can you have a normal parent child relationship when your dad is a nutcase who kills animals and can barely read. Stop with the bleeding heart stuff.
    Yea Yea whatever suits your selection of righteousness.....Like I posted earlier I am sure you are so perfect...Like you dont eat Veal, You ALWAYS do the speed limit...ALWAYS obey the laws of your state and land....Dont own a stitch of leather..ETC...

    Not to mention what authority do you have to comment on someones family life or potential life you dont even know Bleeding heart..Not at all
    I don't eat any meat, not that it makes a difference or that theres anything wrong with eating meat.. All those things you say are just little BS offences, ok, everyone does those little things. I mean think a Gerald was really a sick person from everything Ive heard.. And yeah ok maybe theres some remote chance he could have turned his life around, but it rarely happens like that. I find it hilariouis how you seem to think he would have gone on to raise some well mannered children with a good family environment.. Gman supposedly always had many girlfriends on the side, and would apparently beat them up when he felt like it.. He also went to animal shelters picked up stray dogs and cats, brought them home, tied them up and had his pitbull terriers(which he bred) attack them. Yeah what a shame he's a vegetable.
    Again The Facts are this

    Gerald has never been convicted or arraigned on any of the things you have mentioned.....BOTTOM LINE!!!!!

    Again I think you would have to have a sick and perverse out look to think someone deserves to be a vegatable for ALLEDGED things...And that his children wouldnt have had a chance at a normal life.. I like Gerald for what he did in the ring not out of it..There are so many pugilists that have done much more screwed up things than what Gerald supposedly did..

    Do we need to mention how Don King(Allegedly) Murdered 2 people when he was younger...Well S*** he is the one of the Richest and powerful players not to mention he is pretty old and has lived quite a full life up to now....again to many Flaws in the Karma way of thinking...IMO
    I'm backing you buddy

    The things that GMan is 'alleged' to have done may not be nice but you can't judge a person based on heresy.

    It also seems to me that in some people's eyes cruelty to animals is the worst crime of all which is insane. I've never heard anybody hate on Diego Coralles yet he served jail time for beating up his wife, Tyson was convicted of rape, Hop jailed for armed robbery, Rahman and Mayorga both used to run with street gangs. Clifford Ettiene is indside for attempted murder of a police officer, Bowe beat up his wife.

    Outside boxing, the actor Tom Sizemore was in prison recently for battering his wife and other offenses, the world respected director Roman Polanski has been on the run from American justice for 30 years for raping a 13 year old girl, the singer James Brown has served many years in prison for various offenses including assualt and battery, carrying a gun, assualting a police officer and more. Pamela Andersons ex Tommy Lee served time for beating her up in front of her kids.

    Don King beat a man to death and I'm sure there are literally hundreds of other offenses that have been committed by a number of other boxers, promoters and non boxing people alike.

    But Gerald fought dogs so is the most evil of all

    Listen I don't think it's nice to harm animals but Gerald grew up in a mean enviroment. He was a born fighter and had a fighters instinct. He chose as pets dogs with the same fighting instinct and fought them in the same manner that he fought himself.

    Was it cruel, yes, does it make him evil personified, absolutely not.

    It's a cliche to say it but you can't judge a man unless you've walked in his shoes........
    Thank you sir.... Yes that last Cliche' is very true and I think most lose sight of that

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    "I've done my bit for British Boxing. I fought the best. I fought everyone and never ducked anyone. But it's time to call it a day." - Nige, in floods of tears in the ring after Malinga loss, before proposing to his girlfriend

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    "Nigel the great, I salute you! Nigel the great!" - Malinga, as Benn was walking out

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