Gun laws in the USA,pros and cons.

[El Kabong]

There is a waiting period....but if the person is really ill but never had a conviction or anything they will wait and then do their killing.

Bullying needs to be solved by the way kids are taught and the fucking punishment in schools...I know I never fought anyone because even if you didn't start the fight you got in trouble which is BULLSHIT. Basically kids are taught to never act for themselves and never stand up for themselves and rely on the parents or teachers or whoever to solve their problems....it's the same with people and the police.

Did you know there is a Supreme Court ruling that states the Police can't do ANYTHING until the law is broken....therefore defending yourself when it comes down to brass tacks is your own personal responsibility.


BigRagu....guns aren't allowed on college campuses, not in Virginia (and I know not here in NC either)....also the illegality of guns for the lawful citizen does nothing but make them easier targets.....look at my previous post on what happened to gun violence in England, Wales, Australia, and Canada after they "controlled guns"

[El Kabong]

I've noticed that most people that do have weapons always throw out the same ole rhetoric..."For safty"...right...these are the same people that live 25 miles from the "Hood"....besides..if someone breaks into your house the odds of you even remembering where the gun is is remote to begin with.....and like you're gonna make it down the hallway before the robber empties half a clip in your back...then kills the rest of the family because he now has nothing to lose....or you could just get robbed and the robber leaves....imagine that...it could happen...

Where do people ROB from The well off, and those well off people don't live in the fucking ghetto!!!

And apparently you don't own a gun or know a gun owner....it ain't like a pair of socks, it's a dangerous tool used for self defense you ALWAYS know where the gun is and if it's loaded!!!

I think more teaching about firearms and firearm safety would do more good than banning guns alltogether

[bigragu]

Glad its America's problem not ours.

It must be great to live in the land of the free where your schools get shot up every so offten by the students.


Peolpe get killed every day by guns in the US but a large minority of the US population just stick there head in the sand and think that guns are not the problem.

Well now that guns are banned in Australia and England....no one gets shot right



Yeah that may be a problem with your thinking.....I'd rather have a fair chance to defend myself than be put at a disadvantage

And it's also my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to own a gun, it's #2 right behind FREE SPEECH in the Bill of Rights.....this means it's kind of important.


I understand your points of view but America ain't Australia or England and we're not going to be ruled by the same laws as you have....we tried that already, which is why we have the right to bear arms to begin with.

the constitution is a piece of paper...it needs a radical makeover...and the second amendment was meant for Militias to defend against the indians...I think we are past that now....and there is no need for militias anymore...

[El Kabong]

.....there will always be a need for Militias.......militias were meant to guard the people from tyranical government, not just indians

[bigragu]

I've noticed that most people that do have weapons always throw out the same ole rhetoric..."For safty"...right...these are the same people that live 25 miles from the "Hood"....besides..if someone breaks into your house the odds of you even remembering where the gun is is remote to begin with.....and like you're gonna make it down the hallway before the robber empties half a clip in your back...then kills the rest of the family because he now has nothing to lose....or you could just get robbed and the robber leaves....imagine that...it could happen...

Where do people ROB from The well off, and those well off people don't live in the F****** ghetto!!!

And apparently you don't own a gun or know a gun owner....it ain't like a pair of socks, it's a dangerous tool used for self defense you ALWAYS know where the gun is and if it's loaded!!!

I think more teaching about firearms and firearm safety would do more good than banning guns alltogether

true...and what do you do when the uneducated 5 year old grabs the gun and offs his little sister...wait let me answer for you..."He wouldn't do it because the gun would be in a secure place"...if it's secure from him it's secure from you....unless you have a gun safe in every room...with a 1 key code and prior knowledge about when you're going to get robbed....other wise it won't work....I think the death penalty for any crime commited by a gun and life for possession of a firearm might deter criminals...and Dude, I served in the US ARMY....I have a close friend that is a Deputy Sherriff...he processes the conceal and carry permits....amazing how many arrests they get from the applications alone....

[bigragu]

.....there will always be a need for Militias.......militias were meant to guard the people from tyranical government, not just indians

we're not in China bro....or Sudan, Darfur, Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Russia....etc......we are in the US....no need for nutjobs in so-called Militias....

[El Kabong]

BigRagu let me put it this way....I don't like people defacing and/or burning the American flag but I support their right to do it.....I don't even own a gun (yet) but I support the right to do so 110%!!!

Gun control is not going to solve ANYTHING it has spiked gun violence in England, Wales, Canada, and Australia and in America we don't need that!

Knowledge about guns and gun safety is the way to go....it would create even more responsible gun owners.

[bigragu]

BigRagu let me put it this way....I don't like people defacing and/or burning the American flag but I support their right to do it.....I don't even own a gun (yet) but I support the right to do so 110%!!!

Gun control is not going to solve ANYTHING it has spiked gun violence in England, Wales, Canada, and Australia and in America we don't need that!

Knowledge about guns and gun safety is the way to go....it would create even more responsible gun owners.

now you say violence....is that deaths or crime?....need the info...

[El Kabong]

Once again here's the info

http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared...sNav=nr&id=570

Gun Laws do Not Reduce Criminal Violence According to New Study
Contact(s):
Gary Mauser, Professor
Simon Fraser University, Tel (604) 291-3652
Email: mauser@sfu.ca

Click here for the complete publication.

Release Date: November 27, 2003

Vancouver, BC - Restrictive firearm legislation has failed to reduce gun violence in Australia, Canada, or Great Britain. The policy of confiscating guns has been an expensive failure, according to a new paper The Failed Experiment: Gun Control and Public Safety in Canada, Australia, England and Wales, released today by The Fraser Institute.

“What makes gun control so compelling for many is the belief that violent crime is driven by the availability of guns, and more importantly, that criminal violence in general may be reduced by limiting access to firearms,” says Gary Mauser, author of the paper and professor of business at Simon Fraser University.

This new study examines crime trends in Commonwealth countries that have recently introduced firearm regulations. Mauser notes that the widely ignored key to evaluating firearm regulations is to examine trends in total violent crime, not just firearm crime.

The United States provides a valuable point of comparison for assessing crime rates as that country has witnessed a dramatic drop in criminal violence over the past decade – for example, the homicide rate in the US has fallen 42 percent since 1991. This is particularly significant when compared with the rest of the world – in 18 of the 25 countries surveyed by the British Home Office, violent crime increased during the 1990s.

The justice system in the U.S. differs in many ways from those in the Commonwealth but perhaps the most striking difference is that qualified citizens in the United States can carry concealed handguns for self-defence. During the past few decades, more than 25 states in the U.S. have passed laws allowing responsible citizens to carry concealed handguns. In 2003, there are 35 states where citizens can get such a permit.

Disarming the public has not reduced criminal violence in any country examined in this study. In all these cases, disarming the public has been ineffective, expensive, and often counter productive. In all cases, the effort meant setting up expensive bureaucracies that produce no noticeable improvement to public safety or have made the situation worse. Mauser points to these trends in the countries he examined:

England and Wales

Both Conservative and Labour governments have introduced restrictive firearms laws over the past 20 years; all handguns were banned in 1997.

Yet in the 1990s alone, the homicide rate jumped 50 percent, going from 10 per million in 1990 to 15 per million in 2000. While not yet as high as the US, in 2002 gun crime in England and Wales increased by 35 percent. This is the fourth consecutive year that gun crime has increased.

Police statistics show that violent crime in general has increased since the late 1980s and since 1996 has been more serious than in the United States.

Australia

The Australian government made sweeping changes to the firearms legislation in 1997. However, the total homicide rate, after having remained basically flat from 1995 to 2001, has now begun climbing again. While violent crime is decreasing in the United States, it is increasing in Australia. Over the past six years, the overall rate of violent crime in Australia has been on the rise – for example, armed robberies have jumped 166 percent nationwide.

The confiscation and destruction of legally owned firearms has cost Australian taxpayers at least $500 million. The cost of the police services bureaucracy, including the costly infrastructure of the gun registration system, has increased by $200 million since 1997.

“And for what?” asks Mauser. “There has been no visible impact on violent crime. It is impossible to justify such a massive amount of the taxpayers’ money for no decrease in crime. For that kind of tax money, the police could have had more patrol cars, shorter shifts, or better equipment.”

Canada

The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic. Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted. The homicide rate is dropping faster in the US than in Canada.

The Canadian experiment with firearm registration is becoming a farce says Mauser. The effort to register all firearms, which was originally claimed to cost only $2 million, has now been estimated by the Auditor General to top $1 billion. The final costs are unknown but, if the costs of enforcement are included, the total could easily reach $3 billion.

“It is an illusion that gun bans protect the public. No law, no matter how restrictive, can protect us from people who decide to commit violent crimes. Maybe we should crack down on criminals rather than hunters and target shooters?” says Mauser.
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The Fraser Institute is an independent research and educational organization based in Canada. Its mission is to measure, study, and communicate the impact of competitive markets and government intervention on the welfare of individuals. To protect the Institute’s independence, it does not accept grants from governments or contracts for research.


Hope that helps

[El Kabong]

...read it, soak it up.....IT'S THE TRUTH!

guns aren't bad....criminals are bad

[bigragu]

try this on for size....http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

[bigragu]

try this on for size....http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

oh snap!! .....guess it depends on what website you go to and which one you want to believe......

[El Kabong]

Well let's see who has an agenda the GUN CONTROL network.....or an unaffiliated study group out of Canada

[bigragu]

Well let's see who has an agenda the GUN CONTROL network.....or an unaffiliated study group out of Canada

there were quite a few professors and the like from Canada on that website....but who really has the agenda....the NRA has been in politicians pockets for decades....

[El Kabong]

Yes and as well they should because we have the RIGHT to own guns!

Why would you want to abolish part of the Bill of Rights I mean it's only second to freedom of speech and religion!!!!!

What is your issue with guns? Guns aren't inherently good or bad.....criminals are criminals! Ever hear of the BLACK MARKET That's where murderers and other criminals would go to get their weapons and the rest of us would be left helpless.

I know I'm not going to agree with everyone on everything but guns aren't bad and the majority of legal gun owners are the best law abiding citizens you could ever know