Calzaghe says Hopkins has to wait

[bzkfn]

I've said it before, Calzaghe is a myth, he does not exist outside of the land of Narnia aka (Cardiff)
What a load of Bollocks telling Hopkins he has to wait, FFS Hopkins is a former undisputed Middleweight Champion and current LH Champ who has just had wins over Tarver and Wright. Calzaghe needs to get his hand off his own knobend and think about where his carreer is going.
Of course he may think he can't beat Kessler and it's a waste of time him thinking about Hopkins.
I would agree with him there!

Why is it bollocks telling Hopkins he has to wait?!

Calzaghe is facing off against a fighter many on here think will beat him. He is being sensible to concentrate on the task in hand rather than getting big ideas about future fights.

Hopkins so what if Hopkins was the long reigning Middleweight champ. He was the one that sidestepped SMW completely in his calculated path onwards to further glory. As good as those wins are for a man in his 40's, they were planned to a tee. Tarver looked awful against Jones the third time out and Winky jumped up almost 2 weight divisions.

Hopkins called out Calzaghe and Calzaghe is busy.

Hopkins can wait.

Miles, that's far to sensible a response to such a ludacris statement.

How dare anyone tell King B-Hop to wait?

[Mar]

.....uh yea joe should shut down camp pack up come to the states and take on b-hop, how dare he say wait, to a fighter he'd been calling out forever just because he signed a mega fight with kessler. That fight was no big deal anyway. Hillarious.

[Gandalf]

miles you beat to me to it godammit

, right back fella!!

[RP33]

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

What sport does this occur in? They don't take a pay cut for championships. Usually it happens because they can't earn the money at that level because no f***** wants them. So they take the most money available.

I already mentioned the sports that they occur in man.. And none of those examples (there are PLENTY others) are because the players could not make the money they wanted on the team they were on. I'm speaking of complete veterans with plenty of skill/talent/drive to win, left who want to WIN a championship for themselves and then retire.. and when you already have a great team, there is something called a SALARY CAP in just about everything but baseball. which means the guy going to the team takes a pay cut, but he doesn't care cause he made his money and he's on the team to become a CHAMPION.
I'm not going to discuss this point anymore because maybe you don't follow other sports.

[Violent Demise]

Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.

100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?

Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?

Maybe cuz he's been running his mouth for years that he wants to come to the States. Or was it something that just sounded good? When is the last time you heard Hopkins saying he wants to go over seas? Never. Cuz he does not need to go. Hopkins is a already a Hall of Fame fighter. His legacy is set. Calzaghe? I'm pretty sure he'll make it to the WBO Hall of Fame. Right next to that dead guy who moved up in the rankings from his grave.

He'll be in good company too alongside Cotto, Freitas and Corrales.. you know, the guys that stopped Casamayor and Kelson Pinto getting their hands on the much coveted belt.

Get your facts straight. Casamayor has never been stopped.

[Gandalf]

I've said it before, Calzaghe is a myth, he does not exist outside of the land of Narnia aka (Cardiff)
What a load of Bollocks telling Hopkins he has to wait, FFS Hopkins is a former undisputed Middleweight Champion and current LH Champ who has just had wins over Tarver and Wright. Calzaghe needs to get his hand off his own knobend and think about where his carreer is going.
Of course he may think he can't beat Kessler and it's a waste of time him thinking about Hopkins.
I would agree with him there!

Why is it bollocks telling Hopkins he has to wait?!

Calzaghe is facing off against a fighter many on here think will beat him. He is being sensible to concentrate on the task in hand rather than getting big ideas about future fights.

Hopkins so what if Hopkins was the long reigning Middleweight champ. He was the one that sidestepped SMW completely in his calculated path onwards to further glory. As good as those wins are for a man in his 40's, they were planned to a tee. Tarver looked awful against Jones the third time out and Winky jumped up almost 2 weight divisions.

Hopkins called out Calzaghe and Calzaghe is busy.

Hopkins can wait.

Miles, that's far to sensible a response to such a ludacris statement.

How dare anyone tell King B-Hop to wait?

I know, I dont know why I waste my breath really. Reason will never be enough for some people. They will always hate for no apparent logical reason.

[RP33]

Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.

100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?

Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?

Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.

I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.

You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..

The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...

I don't play cool clicks/sad clicks i leave that to the other boys. What makes you think I didn't understand you? I asked you a question.

You're being very naive making a comparison between FIGHTERS and people that PLAY sport for a living. And even more naive in believing it's not about or shouldn't be about MONEY!!!

But...I'll ask again in a slightly different way - if it isn't about the money, and only about the best fighting the best, and Hopkins has now said Calzaghe is the man he WANTS, why isn't Hopkins willing to take the fight in Britain?

First off, i'm not being naive about anything.. Boxing is a sport, and i understand that when it comes down to it in boxing, you're not on a team, and you're risking your life.. i understand the difference between boxing and other sports. but that does not even come CLOSE to meaning that people who play other sports are not in it for making money.. Watch sportscenter or something, i don't know, tons of players hold out before the season starts because they're not happy with there salary and want to get paid MORE. This is a business and it is completely about money, to certain/many athletes.
ALSO i said Calzaghe shouldn't be AS worried about the money.. meaning if he's not getting exactly as much as he wants to fight, hopkins for example, then it shouldn't matter as much now, so long as the fight happens. I did NOT say it shouldn't be about the money, which cancels out your whole, completely missing the mark 'naive' argument.. unless you're not quite sure what that words means..
BECAUSE you are being naive if you think because Hopkins said he wants Calzaghe, that Hopkins has to travel. Calzaghe should love the fact that he's fighting someone who will finally look GOOD on his resume. Hopkins is a boxing great already, he has proven he is an elite fighter, he does not need to continue fighting to prove anything. Calzaghe DOES, and if you read anymore of this thread there are plenty previous posts supporting this idea.

[Fenster]

Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.

100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?

Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?

Maybe cuz he's been running his mouth for years that he wants to come to the States. Or was it something that just sounded good? When is the last time you heard Hopkins saying he wants to go over seas? Never. Cuz he does not need to go. Hopkins is a already a Hall of Fame fighter. His legacy is set. Calzaghe? I'm pretty sure he'll make it to the WBO Hall of Fame. Right next to that dead guy who moved up in the rankings from his grave.

He'll be in good company too alongside Cotto, Freitas and Corrales.. you know, the guys that stopped Casamayor and Kelson Pinto getting their hands on the much coveted belt.

Get your facts straight. Casamayor has never been stopped.

Who said Casamayor had been stopped?

Muppet.

[RP33]

Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.

100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?

Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?

Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.

I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.

You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..

The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...

I can seafely say i have never heard of any of those sportsmen or teams you have just mentioned, what sport is it you are talking about? isn't this a boxing forum?

If you haven't heard of the LA Lakers as a basketball team then i really don't know what to say. Besides Kobe Bryant and Shaq and championship after championship. Ray Bourque will be, if he isnt there yet, a hall of fame defensemen who played for the Boston Bruins in hockey, who went to the top team to win a ring.. Junior Seau is a linebacker who played for the chargers most of his career but came to the NE Patriots (in football) to win a championship. Patriots won the superbowl 3 times within the last, probably, 8 years.. they're probably the most, if not one of, popular football teams in the last decade without a doubt. If you haven't heard of ANY of those teams, then you should not have even posted a reply.
And yeah, this is a boxing forum, i simply made a comparison between athletes, and you didn't know the other athletes, so why would you reply?

[Gandalf]

Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.

100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?

Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?

Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.

I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.

You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..

The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...

I don't play cool clicks/sad clicks i leave that to the other boys. What makes you think I didn't understand you? I asked you a question.

You're being very naive making a comparison between FIGHTERS and people that PLAY sport for a living. And even more naive in believing it's not about or shouldn't be about MONEY!!!

But...I'll ask again in a slightly different way - if it isn't about the money, and only about the best fighting the best, and Hopkins has now said Calzaghe is the man he WANTS, why isn't Hopkins willing to take the fight in Britain?

First off, i'm not being naive about anything.. Boxing is a sport, and i understand that when it comes down to it in boxing, you're not on a team, and you're risking your life.. i understand the difference between boxing and other sports. but that does not even come CLOSE to meaning that people who play other sports are not in it for making money.. Watch sportscenter or something, i don't know, tons of players hold out before the season starts because they're not happy with there salary and want to get paid MORE. This is a business and it is completely about money, to certain/many athletes.
ALSO i said Calzaghe shouldn't be AS worried about the money.. meaning if he's not getting exactly as much as he wants to fight, hopkins for example, then it shouldn't matter as much now, so long as the fight happens. I did NOT say it shouldn't be about the money, which cancels out your whole, completely missing the mark 'naive' argument.. unless you're not quite sure what that words means..
BECAUSE you are being naive if you think because Hopkins said he wants Calzaghe, that Hopkins has to travel. Calzaghe should love the fact that he's fighting someone who will finally look GOOD on his resume. Hopkins is a boxing great already, he has proven he is an elite fighter, he does not need to continue fighting to prove anything. Calzaghe DOES, and if you read anymore of this thread there are plenty previous posts supporting this idea.

Calzaghe will have once again beaten up the other best man in his division if he beats Kessler and yet you suggest that Calzaghe in some way still needs Hopkins.

To be honest, beating Hopkins at what will be 43 years of age will not be beating an elite fighter. Hopkins looked seriously flawed against the chubby, slow Winky. I like Hopkins a lot, but seriously, Calzaghe would make him look his age.

Its a fight that wouldnt prove all that much to me. Some people are shooting into the sky with the whole Hopkins thing at the moment.

[Fenster]

Kudos to Joe for this, he is earning more and more respect from me.

100% AGREED .Why should he fight in the States when he can make more money where he is. If somebody offered yo a job overseas doing the ssame thing you are doing now for less money would you do it?

Maybe he will fight in Yankee stadium just so I can drive up and see him. Thanks Joe.LOL

When a basketball/baseball/hockey/football player starts nearing the end of his career, and he doesn't have a championship, what does he do?
He takes a pay cut and goes to the team that is most likely to win a championship! WHY? because at that point it isn't about money, it's about being a champion in everyones eyes, and getting that championship ring or cup.

This is the point in Calzaghe's career where he shouldn't be AS worried about money, and he should take the big name fights regardless of where they are. THEN he can be the champion he THINKS he is already.

You can't make the comparison that you made about someone offering you a job overseas for less money, simply because you're comparing two different classes of people. If you're referring to someone who has to raise a family, then no they wouldn't take a pay cut, AND travel overseas, it wouldn't make any sense.
But when you're referring to a world boxing champ who is on national TV, has fans and PLENTY of critics watching him, and should already have LOADS of money, you're in a completely different conversation.

So using that logic why should Calzaghe be the one expected to travel?

Apparently you completely missed the point? i don't know.. the point was that he needs to do what he needs to do to become this great champion that he feels he is. and if that is crossing seas then thats what he needs to do.

I don't know if you've followed sports in the past decade, but a few examples could be when Payton/Malone went to the Lakers to form a disgusting team in hopes to win the ring.. or when Ray Bourque went to the Avalanche in hopes to win the cup.. Junior Seau is now on the Pats, got injured last year but is coming back this year.. These guys took a huge pay cut so that they could be in the winning team.

You shouldn't sad click due to your own stupidity of not understanding what i was trying to say.. you should understand before disagreeing..

The logic is that regardless of Joe being the "Champ" and ideally, people should be coming to him to fight the champ.. my point was that instead he shouldn't be bitching and moaning about the money that Bhop wanted or the money that he won't be getting in certain fights.. instead he should be worrying about defeating the best, regardless...

I don't play cool clicks/sad clicks i leave that to the other boys. What makes you think I didn't understand you? I asked you a question.

You're being very naive making a comparison between FIGHTERS and people that PLAY sport for a living. And even more naive in believing it's not about or shouldn't be about MONEY!!!

But...I'll ask again in a slightly different way - if it isn't about the money, and only about the best fighting the best, and Hopkins has now said Calzaghe is the man he WANTS, why isn't Hopkins willing to take the fight in Britain?

First off, i'm not being naive about anything.. Boxing is a sport, and i understand that when it comes down to it in boxing, you're not on a team, and you're risking your life.. i understand the difference between boxing and other sports. but that does not even come CLOSE to meaning that people who play other sports are not in it for making money.. Watch sportscenter or something, i don't know, tons of players hold out before the season starts because they're not happy with there salary and want to get paid MORE. This is a business and it is completely about money, to certain/many athletes.
ALSO i said Calzaghe shouldn't be AS worried about the money.. meaning if he's not getting exactly as much as he wants to fight, hopkins for example, then it shouldn't matter as much now, so long as the fight happens. I did NOT say it shouldn't be about the money, which cancels out your whole, completely missing the mark 'naive' argument.. unless you're not quite sure what that words means..
BECAUSE you are being naive if you think because Hopkins said he wants Calzaghe, that Hopkins has to travel. Calzaghe should love the fact that he's fighting someone who will finally look GOOD on his resume. Hopkins is a boxing great already, he has proven he is an elite fighter, he does not need to continue fighting to prove anything. Calzaghe DOES, and if you read anymore of this thread there are plenty previous posts supporting this idea.

Mate, I don't think you know what YOU mean to be honest.

If Calzaghe has something to prove why is Hopkins calling him out?

[RP33]

I just said that Calzaghe needs to keep fighting.. if it's Hopkins then fine.. I did NOT say that he needs Hopkins specifically.. but even though he is old, he has shown us he can still fight. But i don't care who it is, i was just saying that Hopkins could retire now, but i feel that Calzaghe should keep fighting to become the great that he already feels he is.
And hopkins will call anyone out. do YOU really think that hopkins has anything left to prove?

[Fenster]

I just said that Calzaghe needs to keep fighting.. if it's Hopkins then fine.. I did NOT say that he needs Hopkins specifically.. but even though he is old, he has shown us he can still fight. But i don't care who it is, i was just saying that Hopkins could retire now, but i feel that Calzaghe should keep fighting to become the great that he already feels he is.
And hopkins will call anyone out. do YOU really think that hopkins has anything left to prove?

Nah

I guess you don't rate Calzaghe to highly...old Hopkins OBVIOUSLY does.

[RP33]

I just said that Calzaghe needs to keep fighting.. if it's Hopkins then fine.. I did NOT say that he needs Hopkins specifically.. but even though he is old, he has shown us he can still fight. But i don't care who it is, i was just saying that Hopkins could retire now, but i feel that Calzaghe should keep fighting to become the great that he already feels he is.
And hopkins will call anyone out. do YOU really think that hopkins has anything left to prove?

Nah

I guess you don't rate Calzaghe to highly...old Hopkins OBVIOUSLY does.

Hey, i can't blame Hopkins for wanting to beat the guy who is currently 43-0 and be that 1 loss on Joe's record. (Of course if Kessler doesn't succeed)

[Gandalf]

I just said that Calzaghe needs to keep fighting.. if it's Hopkins then fine.. I did NOT say that he needs Hopkins specifically.. but even though he is old, he has shown us he can still fight. But i don't care who it is, i was just saying that Hopkins could retire now, but i feel that Calzaghe should keep fighting to become the great that he already feels he is.
And hopkins will call anyone out. do YOU really think that hopkins has anything left to prove?

Hopkins has nothing left to prove and that is why he should retire.