WAS SUGAR RAY LEONARD A BIT OVERRATED???

[ICB]

I would also like to add that i felt that Tommy actually won their 2nd fight.

We all think that even Sugar Ray Leonard himself admitted that.

[Mr140]

Never saw the second fight just hear about it alot was it close at all or what

[donnydarkoIRL]

I would also like to add that i felt that Tommy actually won their 2nd fight.

We all think that even Sugar Ray Leonard himself admitted that.

In that case do you not feel that the kudos he receives for defeating hearns is greatly diminished.
A common arguement to convey Rays greatness is that "he beat Hearns, Duran, Hagler...." I think the scale of these achievements are diminished by the above point.

[ICB]

I would also like to add that i felt that Tommy actually won their 2nd fight.

We all think that even Sugar Ray Leonard himself admitted that.

In that case do you not feel that the kudos he receives for defeating hearns is greatly diminished.
A common arguement to convey Rays greatness is that "he beat Hearns, Duran, Hagler...." I think the scale of these achievements are diminished by the above point.

No i don't that would be unfair if i did he beat Hearns fair and square in 1st fight its just Hearns had Leonards number to always give him tough fight every boxer comes across a fighter that has there number in 2nd fight they were way past it anyway and if 2nd fight would of been 15 rounds he would of stopped Hearns he had Hearns out on his feet in last round Hearns had nothing left i like to think Hearns is better over 12 rounds Leonard is better over 15 rounds.


I think Ali should of lost 2-1 in Norton trilogy and should of had a loss to Young like i said every great fighter has a fighter that has there number and Norton had Ali's just like Hearns had Leonard's.

[Mr140]

When i watch fights i wounder if things would be different nowadays if is was still 15 rounds and not 12 because people like ali and leonard need those extra rounds alot

[ICB]

Never saw the second fight just hear about it alot was it close at all or what

No it wasn't close Hearns easily won by 3 rounds atleast he decked Leonard in 3rd and in the 11th Leonard had excellent round 5 which could of been scored 10-8 arguably although i didn't score it 10-8 and Leonard had good 12th round where he had Hearns out on his feet but couldn't seal the deal but if fight had been 15 rounds like there first fight he would of stopped Hearns in the rematch it was a great fight i believe its on youtube it was close to being fight of the year but Duran vs Barkley just about won fight of the year.

[Lords Gym]

I would not say he was over rated, he would dominate his weight class if he was fighting now.

I agree , well said. cc ! SRL was one of the most complete fighters ever . Ray could box on the outside masterfully , had the balls to take it an opponent when the oppertunity presented itself. All Time great .

[pacfan]

I would not say he was over rated, he would dominate his weight class if he was fighting now.

I agree , well said. cc ! SRL was one of the most complete fighters ever . Ray could box on the outside masterfully , had the balls to take it an opponent when the oppertunity presented itself. All Time great .

Totally agreed. If it weren't for his injury and long layoff, I think he would have been the best ever, or at least within the top 3. He outboxed the 'unbeatable' Hagler, just coming off that long layoff.

[Lords Gym]

I would not say he was over rated, he would dominate his weight class if he was fighting now.

I agree , well said. cc ! SRL was one of the most complete fighters ever . Ray could box on the outside masterfully , had the balls to take it an opponent when the oppertunity presented itself. All Time great .

Totally agreed. If it weren't for his injury and long layoff, I think he would have been the best ever, or at least within the top 3. He outboxed the 'unbeatable' Hagler, just coming off that long layoff.

cc mate .. most impressive fighter in my opinion.. Ray could change gears in a New York second. another important eliment in my mind , was SRL had balls. Ray launched the attack on Hearns beating him from pillar to post, that was not supposed to happen. brilliant.

[pacfan]

I would not say he was over rated, he would dominate his weight class if he was fighting now.

I agree , well said. cc ! SRL was one of the most complete fighters ever . Ray could box on the outside masterfully , had the balls to take it an opponent when the oppertunity presented itself. All Time great .

Totally agreed. If it weren't for his injury and long layoff, I think he would have been the best ever, or at least within the top 3. He outboxed the 'unbeatable' Hagler, just coming off that long layoff.

cc mate .. most impressive fighter in my opinion.. Ray could change gears in a New York second. another important eliment in my mind , was SRL had balls. Ray launched the attack on Hearns beating him from pillar to post, that was not supposed to happen. brilliant.

CC right back. Yup, no doubt he was the most complete fighter in the history of boxing with power, speed, style, heart and a decent chin, and a smart fighter too. Too bad he got injured nearly at the top of his career. Wonder what kinda mean fighting machine he'd turned into if it weren't for the injury and the long layoff.

[Dark Lord Al]

Let's look at the round robin:

SRL W-4 L-1 D-1
MH W-2 L-1
TH W-1 L-2 D-1
RD W-1 L-4

No, SRL was not overrated.

If you actually see the fights you'll know it should read

SRL W-2 L-2
MH W-3 L-0
TH W-2 L-2
RD W-1 L-4

No Leonard was not a little overrated. He was a lot overrated

I totally agree with this SRL didnt fight enough times in his career ( due to injury ) to be classed as top 5 , i personally think he was over rated . Hearns won thier rematch / Hagler won there fight .
So all in all the answer is YES he was over rated.

[ICB]

Let's look at the round robin:

SRL W-4 L-1 D-1
MH W-2 L-1
TH W-1 L-2 D-1
RD W-1 L-4

No, SRL was not overrated.

If you actually see the fights you'll know it should read

SRL W-2 L-2
MH W-3 L-0
TH W-2 L-2
RD W-1 L-4

No Leonard was not a little overrated. He was a lot overrated

I totally agree with this SRL didnt fight enough times in his career ( due to injury ) to be classed as top 5 , i personally think he was over rated . Hearns won thier rematch / Hagler won there fight .
So all in all the answer is YES he was over rated.

No one thinks Leonard is top 5 or top 10 p4p of all time and i think Leonard won the Hagler fight i think fans are split 50-50 on that fight and why was Leonard overrated because he got a gift decision against Hearns ?? well we might aswell say Ali is overrated aswell because he had his fair share of gift decisions arguably his record could have 8 losses on it.

[Syntax Error]

SRL was not overrated IMO.

He was an exceptional fighter, blessed with ALL the attributes necessary to qualify him as a great fighter, plus some exceptional names on his record.

SRL's problem was that he was a bit spiteful; not having rematches or fighting people when it was no longer a really viable fight, plus he had too many lay-offs & comebacks.

[Mr140]

Sugar didn't have as many fights but he did win a againts Benetiz,Duran,Hearns and Hagler and won belts in WW,LM,M,SM,LH so no i don't think his over rated and i think he is atleast 10 on the pound for pound list cause i can't think of 10 people that would be above him

[Scrap]

Mr 140 the reason you cant is because there isnt. On his night he was the best Welter there has ever been. Yes I do know what Im talking about, and a lot of the great coaches Ive met agree including the old timers