Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!

[ICB]

How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.

Alright...this is what I always find amusing with you about this winning thing.

When things start going south with you on the "winning scale" you always throw in that extra word that I never used.

In this arguement...it would be the fact that I said Jones was a "technically sound boxer" & you toss in "textbook technical fighter".

Now you know that I never said that...pretty much the contrary when I describe Jones's abilities & the fact that he fires of multiple punch combos & then slides out or puts his hands behind his back.

Floyd & Jones are very similar fighters in the volume & atletically sound departements...the difference being that Jones's defense relies more on his reflexes where as Floyd operates a sure fire defense.

Now I aint sure what you consider technical or the likes...but apparently you are going to curb whatever I say with "textbook" or maybe you'll even throw in a "technical smhenical" or two & then say you won & that I backed out...when in fact...I implore you...just stick to the search engine answers instead of tweaking mine.

Now...I bid you good evening & wish you a Happy New Year...keep that post count up...you know that even though I may slack off...or maybe even back down from these...arguements of ours...I'll still be here fighting you & GOOGLE...shoulder to shoulder...toe to toe...boxing brain vs keyboard & search engine...so you just remember...there's no easy way out...there's no short cut home...and in the end...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCPPP4giSqc

I WILL BRRRRRRRRRRRRREAK YOU!

Alright...this is what I always find amusing with you about this winning thing.

Im not trying to win anything we are debating simple as there is no winner or loser.

When things start going south with you on the "winning scale" you always throw in that extra word that I never used.

In this arguement...it would be the fact that I said Jones was a "technically sound boxer" & you toss in "textbook technical fighter".

I really don't know what your implying Wacko, can't we just have a debate without you thinking that im trying to beat you ?? im not trying to win anything.

All im saying is that Jones is not a great technical boxer no matter which way you look at it. He relied purely on his athletic ability. Once that went he was KO twice he is not technically sound in any department, i would describe Jones as a amazingly gifted /unorthodox fighter.

Now you know that I never said that...pretty much the contrary when I describe Jones's abilities & the fact that he fires of multiple punch combos & then slides out or puts his hands behind his back.

Thats not technical sound, thats talent mixed in with unorthodox fighting.

Floyd & Jones are very similar fighters in the volume & atletically sound departements...the difference being that Jones's defense relies more on his reflexes where as Floyd operates a sure fire defense.

There nothing alike Mayweather is a perfect textbook technical fighter, he does everything by the book.

Now I aint sure what you consider technical or the likes...but apparently you are going to curb whatever I say with "textbook" or maybe you'll even throw in a "technical smhenical" or two & then say you won & that I backed out...when in fact...I implore you...just stick to the search engine answers instead of tweaking mine.

You are taking this way too far i was just describing what fighters i consider great technical fighters. And you honestly took my other comment about *Winning* seriously ?? i thought my smiley face would of gave that away.

Now...I bid you good evening & wish you a Happy New Year...keep that post count up...you know that even though I may slack off...or maybe even back down from these...arguements of ours...I'll still be here fighting you & GOOGLE...shoulder to shoulder...toe to toe...boxing brain vs keyboard & search engine...so you just remember...there's no easy way out...there's no short cut home...and in the end...


I don't search up on Google i watch fights i also compete in boxing, i may not know as much as some guys here. But i do know a lot about boxing so don't get that into your head i search up Google 24/7. I have watched thousands of fights from Minimumweight all the way up to Heavyweight.

And Happy New Year to you as well.

[Wacko3205]

You backed out first old man, can't you handle me oldie ??

Saying one's piece & knowing when words are wasted on the "deef" are two totally different things.

Now...that being said...after my last two or three posts in your favor...I would say that your next words will be flowing in that favor & falling on "deef ears"...also...that burn your'e feeling right now...while it may sting like gonoria or feel like a straffing of your adolescent ass cheeks with a leather strap...it's neither...it is merely a well placed verbal assault issued from this old man.

This old man...who has once again gone toe to toe with you...youngin'. You & your precious back up...with the geriatric once coming out with the belt in tow & a smile upon my old wrinkled face.

Once again my fellow forum goer...I say to thee...Cheers...& koneecheewah.

[Wacko3205]

I really don't know what your implying Wacko, can't we just have a debate without you thinking that im trying to beat you ?? im not trying to win anything.

Did you really think that I was trying to do anything outside of that? I mean...do I ever? Nope.

And Happy New Year to you as well.

No...Happy New Year to you...first.

[Wacko3205]

Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it

Okay...shit break time...this does not mean that I have folded.

Unless yins wanna go to the terlet with me...you'll extend this time to me. :los:

[ICB]

Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.

Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.

ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.

How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.

ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...
Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.

Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...

Yep thats exactly what im saying and Technical Ability/Athletisim do not go hand in hand. Jones does most things wrong looking at it from a technical point of view. He is fast has amazing reflexes etc, but he is not great technical fighter. Like i said to Wacko earlier the reason why he lost later in his career because he wasn't a great technical fighter, and once his best asset went his athletic ability he lost simple as. And plenty of boxers have relied mostly on athletic ability and had good career's take Sugar Ray Leonard for example.

Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.

Jones rarely threw a jab, he would throw leaping left hooks etc. That is called talent mixed in with unorthodox fighting not great technical fighting. Lopez is completely different from Jones, because he was a great text book technical fighter. He done everything by the book. Great defense, threw punches so accurate and beautifully etc.

Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Toney is a good technical fighter never denied that but just because Jones beat him with amazing speed, athletism, unorthodox fighting. Doesn't make him a great technical fighter. It makes him one of the most talented/unorthodox fighter's we have ever seen.

[ICB]

Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it

Okay...S*** break time...this does not mean that I have folded.

Unless yins wanna go to the terlet with me...you'll extend this time to me. :los:

I could do with a break myself haven't had any sleep yet bro

[CutMeMick]

Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.

Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.

ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.

How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.

ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...
Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.

Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I disagree. Athleticism and technicality do not go hand in hand, and furthermore, a fighter can have a hall-of-fame career without being technically sound. The alternative is to be unorthodox, which is what Roy Jones was. Athleticism will help both a fighter who is technically sound and a fighter who is unorthodox. Larry Holmes is a perfect example of a fighter who is technically sound. Roy is an example of a fighter who is unorthodox. Both are hall of famers.

Fuck! Me...
Then I must have been watching the another RJJ all his career.
Here I thought RJJ was a very good technical fighter turns out he's just a good athlete.
I'll be back tomorrow gonna try and find the right RJJ career on DVD cause apparently I've been watching the wrong one all this time.

Thanks ICB & clean for clearing that up I need to make note of this.

Note Pad

• A gallon of Milk
• A bag of Tortillas
• RJJ is NOT a technical fighter
• RJJ is unorthodox fighter
• RJJ doesn't do anything technical
• RJJ did all of his accomplishments on athletisim alone
  

[clean]

Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.

Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.

ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.

How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.

ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...
Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.

Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I disagree. Athleticism and technicality do not go hand in hand, and furthermore, a fighter can have a hall-of-fame career without being technically sound. The alternative is to be unorthodox, which is what Roy Jones was. Athleticism will help both a fighter who is technically sound and a fighter who is unorthodox. Larry Holmes is a perfect example of a fighter who is technically sound. Roy is an example of a fighter who is unorthodox. Both are hall of famers.

F***! Me...
Then I must have been watching the another RJJ all his career.
Here I thought RJJ was a very good technical fighter turns out he's just a good athlete.
I'll be back tomorrow gonna try and find the right RJJ career on DVD cause apparently I've been watching the wrong one all this time.

Thanks ICB & clean for clearing that up I need to make note of this.

Note Pad

• A gallon of Milk
• A bag of Tortillas
• RJJ is NOT a technical fighter
• RJJ is unorthodox fighter
• RJJ doesn't do anything technical
• RJJ did all of his accomplishments on athletisim alone
  

When did I say Roy did all of his accomplishments on athleticism alone I said athleticism will help both a fighter who is technically sound and a fighter who is unorthodox. He, like any great, achieved his accomplishments because he was a better fighter than his opponent most of the time.

[Snakey]

Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.

Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.

Mate ever heard of slick boxers, i guarentee you guys like zab judah and floyd mayweather would be in trouble if they lost their speed. Floyd would be, jones started slowing down a bit. Guys like hopkins and wright arent known for their speed, yes they are technical boxers but they are a different kind to roy jones. Would you call ali not technically sound just coz he didnt hold his hands like the book says they should or didnt evade like the book said he should. It worked and he could outbox any man he wanted to. Face it man, jones is a technical fighter. He didnt beat hopkins and toney with just pure reflexes mate

[Hulk]

Roy is gonna light Tito up early, then it'll be lights out for Tito in the 8th or 9th. Watch and see. Mismatch.

[ICB]

Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.

Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.

ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.

How is Jones a great technical fighter ?? he does most things wrong, if you want a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Look at fighters like Juan Manuel Marquez, Floyd Mayweather Jr Winky Wright. Now they are what i would call text book technical fighters. Jones has amazing athletic ability's and amazing reflexes, but he is not technically sound. He is one of the most unorthodox fighters ever in the history of the sport, certainly not what i would class as a great technical fighter. In fact one of the reason's he lost is because he isn't technically sound he relied purely on his athletic ability, and once that went he got KO x2.

ICB, Athletisim & Technicality is something that IMO goes hand in hand.
So what your saying is RJJ was able to go to the Olympics and win a gold medal (I know he lost) then go undefeated for that long, he was able to reign supreme at Ligh Heavy win a title as a Heavy on Athletisim alone? Come on ICB...
Theres different types of technical fighters, B-Hops a techinical fighter cause he breaks you down and takes where he wants knowing he'll get the best of you thru 12. Ricardo Lopez was a technical fighter who could take you the distance but if given the oppourtunity he'll take you out.
RJJ was a technical fighter who threw 3 jabs, then did a faint and threw a right hook to the liver droping You can't get more techincal then that.

Also heres something to think about RJJ was able to beat Toney who at that moment in time was P4P fighter and I know you would agree he was a damn! fine technical fighter on sheer athletisim. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I disagree. Athleticism and technicality do not go hand in hand, and furthermore, a fighter can have a hall-of-fame career without being technically sound. The alternative is to be unorthodox, which is what Roy Jones was. Athleticism will help both a fighter who is technically sound and a fighter who is unorthodox. Larry Holmes is a perfect example of a fighter who is technically sound. Roy is an example of a fighter who is unorthodox. Both are hall of famers.

F***! Me...
Then I must have been watching the another RJJ all his career.
Here I thought RJJ was a very good technical fighter turns out he's just a good athlete.
I'll be back tomorrow gonna try and find the right RJJ career on DVD cause apparently I've been watching the wrong one all this time.

Thanks ICB & clean for clearing that up I need to make note of this.

Note Pad

• A gallon of Milk
• A bag of Tortillas
• RJJ is NOT a technical fighter
• RJJ is unorthodox fighter
• RJJ doesn't do anything technical
• RJJ did all of his accomplishments on athletisim alone
  

I said that Jones relied on his athletisim, Jones had amazing speed, great reflexes, good variety of punches, unorthodox fighting. If Jones was technically sound he wouldn't of lost to Tarver, Johnson. The reason why he lost is because he isn't technically sound and once his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't rely on his athletisim and he lost. You see guys like Hopkins who are 40+ can still win fights, you know why ?? because of his great technical fighting, fighters like Mayweather, Hopkins, etc would still be able to win most of there fights based on there technical ability alone. Take away the speed from Mayweather and he will still be able to win most fights based on his great technical ability, but if you took away Jones speed, see how many fights Jones could win based on *Technical* ability as you put it.

Anyways i don't want to argue with you, your one of my favorite posters here. We have different opinion's on the matter so i'll leave it at that have a CC on me.

Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.

Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.

Mate ever heard of slick boxers, i guarentee you guys like zab judah and floyd mayweather would be in trouble if they lost their speed. Floyd would be, jones started slowing down a bit. Guys like hopkins and wright arent known for their speed, yes they are technical boxers but they are a different kind to roy jones. Would you call ali not technically sound just coz he didnt hold his hands like the book says they should or didnt evade like the book said he should. It worked and he could outbox any man he wanted to. Face it man, jones is a technical fighter. He didnt beat hopkins and toney with just pure reflexes mate

Mate ever heard of slick boxers, i guarentee you guys like zab judah and floyd mayweather would be in trouble if they lost their speed.


Mayweather would still be able to win a lot of his fights based on his great technical abilities. The difference is once Jones lost his reflexes he lost because he relied on his athletic ability, and one of the reason's he did lose was because he wasn't a great technical fighter. Thats why you see guys like Hopkins even though he is 40+ and has lost his speed etc, he can still win fights based on his great technical fighting. Mayweather is a perfect textbook technical fighter, Jones and Mayweather aren't even comparable. Mayweather's defense, etc is all by the book. Thats a perfect example of a textbook technical fighter. Jones is an unorthodox athletically gifted fighter there is a difference.

. Guys like hopkins and wright arent known for their speed, yes they are technical boxers but they are a different kind to roy jones.

What different kind ?? your telling me holding your hands at your waist, throwing leaping left hooks, putting your hands behind your back etc, that is technical brilliance ?? no it isn't how many times do i have to say it. Thats amazing athletic ability mixed in with unorthodox fighting plus great talent.

It worked and he could outbox any man he wanted to. Face it man, jones is a technical fighter. He didnt beat hopkins and toney with just pure reflexes mate

Face what ?? he didn't beat Toney or Hopkins with great technical fighting. He beat them with unbelievable speed, unorthodox fighting, great reflexes etc.

Would you call ali not technically sound just coz he didnt hold his hands like the book says they should or didnt evade like the book said he should.

Ali is not what i would consider a great textbook technical fighter either. More like intelligent fighter, with great foot speed, amazing reflexes, etc. I believe Bert Sugar once said Ali actually does most things in the ring. And in boxing terms he does.

I'll say it for the last time that Jones is one of my favorite fighters of all time, but i disagree that Jones is a great technical fighter. He IMO is a amazingly talented fighter, with amazing athletisism, unorthodox fighting style.

[ross]

This fight is gonna come down to something as simple as whos the younger fighter.

Roy is coming down yet again, his legs arent there and neither is his defence, Tito will stop Roy before halfway.

Roy has never been a defensive master, I remember Bryant Brannon wailing away at roy and Roy just covering up, all that saved him then and every other time was his quicker fists. People were intimidated to throw anything in case Roy landed back.

His fists are slower and his legs cant keep him out the way, Tito will nail him

[Wacko3205]

In the end...if Jones was not a technically sound fighter...his athleticism wouldn't mean shit to him.

You can be fit as a fiddle & flat as a frying pan's bottom...but if you can't put your shots together then you're wasted.

When Jones went through the first half of his career...he didn't pull that much showboating out of his ass because he was focusing on his craft. Had he not perfected his foundations...he'd not been able to be "athletic" in the ring.

Jones is a technically sound boxer with a large wealth of skills...much more than Tito, IWHO.

[OumaFan]

Seriously the quoting system is disconcerting

Although I kind of see ICB's point.

Its not like Jones was tecnically bad by any means but was he as good technically as guys like Floyd, Hopkins, Toney, Whitaker, not IMO. Offensively he was very good technically, all his punches were short, compact, straight, beautiful punches. But defensively I don't put him on the same level as Hopkins, PBF, Toney, etc. All those guys were good defensively inside, outside, everywhere. Jones' defense was reflexes and if a guy got inside keeping his hands up. I can't remember which issue of the Ring it was but Glen Johnson made a good comparison with Roy and Hopkins and how much better Hopkins was technically on defense and how that helped him stay at a high level even when he got much older.

I think PBF, if he decides to keep on fighting late into his career, could maintain a higher level of fighting, like Hopkins, even if he loses some of his athleticism just cause of how skilled he is.

[Wacko3205]

Seriously the quoting system is disconcerting

Although I kind of see ICB's point.

Its not like Jones was tecnically bad by any means but was he as good technically as guys like Floyd, Hopkins, Toney, Whitaker, not IMO. Offensively he was very good technically, all his punches were short, compact, straight, beautiful punches. But defensively I don't put him on the same level as Hopkins, PBF, Toney, etc. All those guys were good defensively inside, outside, everywhere. Jones' defense was reflexes and if a guy got inside keeping his hands up. I can't remember which issue of the Ring it was but Glen Johnson made a good comparison with Roy and Hopkins and how much better Hopkins was technically on defense and how that helped him stay at a high level even when he got much older.

I think PBF, if he decides to keep on fighting late into his career, could maintain a higher level of fighting, like Hopkins, even if he loses some of his athleticism just cause of how skilled he is.

I see what you are saying...& in a sense I see what Ice is saying...but it's not just a closed book on Jones technical abitlites by saying it's his athletic abilities that carry him. Again...early in his career when honing his abilities...Jones was more conscious of his abilities.

Now...I never said that Jones was no a level with those names...as I said...Jones uses his defense in a totally different manner.