Pac vs JMM (rematch) vote and explain

[Lords Gym]

Marquez by UD!

I think if you take out the 1st round from the 1st fight then Marquez dominated more off the fight! It may have been nerves of being on the big stage but I don't think Marquez will let it happen again. Marquez has the better fundamentals & will box Pacquiao like he did for most of the 1st one!

Good post ! how you been mate? all is well ?

[Galaxy]

Marquez by UD!

I think if you take out the 1st round from the 1st fight then Marquez dominated more off the fight! It may have been nerves of being on the big stage but I don't think Marquez will let it happen again. Marquez has the better fundamentals & will box Pacquiao like he did for most of the 1st one!

Good post ! how you been mate? all is well ?

Yeah bro all's good, how bout yourself? Already looks like 2008 is gonna continue where 07 left off!!!

[GAME]

JMM will win on points

Same fight as last time without the knockdowns except this time I expect there will be judges ringside that actually know how to score fights .

[titleist905t]

PACMAN By TKO without a doubt.

Reason, I have been reading post from "boxing expert" here at saddo boxing for quite a while now and a lot are in favor of a "boxer" rather than an aggressive fighter like pac. Pac has proven time and time again that it does not matter how skilled the fighter is he finds a way go through you. Pac got cut with the 1st Morales fight and you are foolish to think that the 2nd fight did not started the same way. Eric dominated the first rounds until pac found his stride "without a cut". There are a lot of people here who are passionate on choosing pacs opponents with the same reasons time and time again. Barrera/Morales are better boxers. But what happened? He beat them all. Pac is not the same fighter as he was..... think about it Barrera boxed his way to boredom but Pac kept his cool and won by points. It seems that whenever pac wins there is always an excuse by fans for his opponents... washed up, old, not a good fighter etc etc etc. But a draw... a draw..... yes a draw no matter what you think it was a draw... seems to make Pac worse than any other fighter.

Now may I ask... if pac knocks out JMM are you going to call him old? are you going to take that away from Pac again? Im sorry Julius but opinions are always emotional in boxing no matter how you put it. And I have seen too many anti pacs here that can't bare to see him win.

Again PAC by tko..... faster, stronger....... and yes a better fighter. You all know you are going to watch when pac is on the ring. I wonder why?

NOTE: How many times have Pac proven a lot of your votes wrong? Accept the inevitable.

[GAME]

You seem to be forgetting that Pac hasnt looked good since the 3rd Morales fight and that was against a guy coming off 3 out of 4 losses .

If Pac boxes the same way vs Marquez as he did vs Barrera the 2nd time make no mistake he will be schooled. Marquez isnt as washed up as Morales and Barrera were . His chin may be abit dodgy but he has Pacs number in every other dept . I think he won the last fight but just like Lewis - Evander , the judges are under pressure to get it right next time .

[Julius Rain]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

[GAME]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

Im not a Marquez fan by any stretch but I think he woned Pac last time . Pac has never really impressed me . Hed impress me if he faced someone on the way up as opposed to the way down . Marquez is probably the latter but when he beats Pac again il say " i told u so "!

[Julius Rain]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

Im not a Marquez fan by any stretch but I think he woned Pac last time . Pac has never really impressed me . Hed impress me if he faced someone on the way up as opposed to the way down . Marquez is probably the latter but when he beats Pac again il say " i told u so "!

your also not a pac fan or have any appreciation to his accomplishment so there is really no sense coming from YOU. What will you say if he does beat Marquez then moves up and beat Juan, will that be enough for you. Or no you'll still have no sense cause your YOU.

[GAME]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

Im not a Marquez fan by any stretch but I think he woned Pac last time . Pac has never really impressed me . Hed impress me if he faced someone on the way up as opposed to the way down . Marquez is probably the latter but when he beats Pac again il say " i told u so "!

your also not a pac fan or have any appreciation to his accomplishment so there is really no sense coming from YOU. What will you say if he does beat Marquez then moves up and beat Juan, will that be enough for you. Or no you'll still have no sense cause your YOU.

I assume im talking to yet another Pacfan . Yes i'll be impressed if Pac beats or even challenges Juan Diaz . I'll be impressed if he gave Guzman a shot too anyone but washed up oppoents .

Look at the facts Julius

Barrera was coming off a loss
Morales was coming off a loss each time he fought Pac and so was Larios

Therefore Pac was not beating prime opponents and these are all his recent contests . Now he is going over aold ground again with another 30 something but I dont really have a problem with this 1 cuz as I said, Marquez isnt that washed up yet.

If Pac fighst Hatton i'll give him props but youve gotta be a major nuthugger of Pac not to see that hes been having it easy recently.

[Julius Rain]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

Im not a Marquez fan by any stretch but I think he woned Pac last time . Pac has never really impressed me . Hed impress me if he faced someone on the way up as opposed to the way down . Marquez is probably the latter but when he beats Pac again il say " i told u so "!

your also not a pac fan or have any appreciation to his accomplishment so there is really no sense coming from YOU. What will you say if he does beat Marquez then moves up and beat Juan, will that be enough for you. Or no you'll still have no sense cause your YOU.

I assume im talking to yet another Pacfan . Yes i'll be impressed if Pac beats or even challenges Juan Diaz . I'll be impressed if he gave Guzman a shot too anyone but washed up oppoents .

Look at the facts Julius

Barrera was coming off a loss
Morales was coming off a loss each time he fought Pac and so was Larios

Therefore Pac was not beating prime opponents and these are all his recent contests . Now he is going over aold ground again with another 30 something but I dont really have a problem with this 1 cuz as I said, Marquez isnt that washed up yet.

If Pac fighst Hatton i'll give him props but youve gotta be a major nuthugger of Pac not to see that hes been having it easy recently.

well look at who has JMM been fighting,

juarez
mab
and a few lesser fighters after pac then john

Juarez was already beaten soundly by mab, and mab was already beaten soundly by pac. Do you remember when pac beat mab the first time. Mab wasn't coming off a lost was he? Mab was the featherweight KING at that time pac dethrone him.

Lately pac did have it easy , yea against mab whom jmm barely won against and knock down by.

Solis was an undefeated fighter but clearly was not anywhere near pacs level, Larios went the distance but was kd twice and only was for pacs showcase infront of his home country. Those two was clearly easy win for pac and he barely needed to try.

Before solis and larios pac had a hell of a schedule, NOBODY HAD FOUGHT THREE LEGENDS IN A 1 year OR SO. so how can you dismiss that accomplishment by pac? who do you think has had better quality oppenents over and over beside pac?

Now JMM is next, you can't say that is easy cause you say pac will lose. Well its only your opinion til it actually happens. But you can't say pac is an easy win for anybody. Pac im sure is actually the favorite coming to this fight. then he'll be going up to lightweight. Believe me pac had a few easy fight in solis and larios but thats it, like always his going to be fighting top quality champs. the daizs next then where does he go from there. If Guzman really want him why did he stay so quiet for so long, now that pac has made it public his only staying at 130 for jmm cause he wants to move up. Well guzman should move up too if he really thinks he can survive 12. You also said you wanted pac to fight young up and comers, guzman is not young and his stamina is suspect. Who else you got that you think pac should fight. His already fight JMM and probubly beat him before going up to lightweight.

Don't you think pacs speed and size will play any role into this fight? pac isn't easy to outbox thats been proven time and time again. His speed is hard to deal with plus it comes with power and it keeps coming for 12 his stamina alone is a challenge for jmm. What do you really base your predition in a jmm win against pac?

Prolly just another boxing fan annoyed by pacfans thats why you hope pac loses. I don't blame you i knw some pac fans like any other fan do get annoying but don't wish bad luck to fighters when its not actually that person causing you anything. when pac beats jmm hopefully you can deal with the pacfan and be a bigger man to appreciate a fighters accomplishment

[GAME]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

Im not a Marquez fan by any stretch but I think he woned Pac last time . Pac has never really impressed me . Hed impress me if he faced someone on the way up as opposed to the way down . Marquez is probably the latter but when he beats Pac again il say " i told u so "!

your also not a pac fan or have any appreciation to his accomplishment so there is really no sense coming from YOU. What will you say if he does beat Marquez then moves up and beat Juan, will that be enough for you. Or no you'll still have no sense cause your YOU.

I assume im talking to yet another Pacfan . Yes i'll be impressed if Pac beats or even challenges Juan Diaz . I'll be impressed if he gave Guzman a shot too anyone but washed up oppoents .

Look at the facts Julius

Barrera was coming off a loss
Morales was coming off a loss each time he fought Pac and so was Larios

Therefore Pac was not beating prime opponents and these are all his recent contests . Now he is going over aold ground again with another 30 something but I dont really have a problem with this 1 cuz as I said, Marquez isnt that washed up yet.

If Pac fighst Hatton i'll give him props but youve gotta be a major fan of Pac not to see that hes been having it easy recently.

well look at who has JMM been fighting,

juarez
mab
and a few lesser fighters after pac then john

Juarez was already beaten soundly by mab, and mab was already beaten soundly by pac. Do you remember when pac beat mab the first time. Mab wasn't coming off a lost was he? Mab was the featherweight KING at that time pac dethrone him.

No but he didnt box anywhere near his best . If you think Barrera was at his best then explain this why then years later when Barrera met the new and improved Pac was Manny not able to get Mab going in a boring 12 rounder . Its cuz the 1st time he took Barrera by surprise but when he met Barrera who knew what was coming , granted he was older and in decline but he took Pacs shots no problem .

Lately pac did have it easy , yea against mab whom jmm barely won against and knock down by.

Solis was an undefeated fighter but clearly was not anywhere near pacs level, Larios went the distance but was kd twice and only was for pacs showcase infront of his home country. Those two was clearly easy win for pac and he barely needed to try.

Pac was hurt by Larios in rd 3 and Larios hurts no one . Larios was coming off a K.O defeat . That was a poor display by Pac and you''ll never convince me otherwise

Before solis and larios pac had a hell of a schedule, NOBODY HAD FOUGHT THREE LEGENDS IN A 1 year OR SO. so how can you dismiss that accomplishment by pac? who do you think has had better quality oppenents over and over beside pac?

Most fighters dont fight guys coming off losses . Thats the difference . Would he have the guts to fight had he not just seen em battered in their last fight ? I doubt it

Now JMM is next, you can't say that is easy cause you say pac will lose. Well its only your opinion til it actually happens. But you can't say pac is an easy win for anybody. Pac im sure is actually the favorite coming to this fight. then he'll be going up to lightweight. Believe me pac had a few easy fight in solis and larios but thats it, like always his going to be fighting top quality champs. the daizs next then where does he go from there. If Guzman really want him why did he stay so quiet for so long, now that pac has made it public his only staying at 130 for jmm cause he wants to move up. Well guzman should move up too if he really thinks he can survive 12. You also said you wanted pac to fight young up and comers, guzman is not young and his stamina is suspect. Who else you got that you think pac should fight. His already fight JMM and probubly beat him before going up to lightweight.

. . . . and yet he is a significant step up from what Pac has been fighting recently . Says it all really

Don't you think pacs speed and size will play any role into this fight? pac isn't easy to outbox thats been proven time and time again. His speed is hard to deal with plus it comes with power and it keeps coming for 12 his stamina alone is a challenge for jmm. What do you really base your predition in a jmm win against pac?

The 1st fight . In rd 1 Marquez was caught cold but aside from that there was only 1 guy in the fight . Marquez took him to school and Pac was exposed for what he is that night . Marquez wasnt particulary great but he did the basics and Pac had no answer .

Prolly just another boxing fan annoyed by pacfans thats why you hope pac loses. I don't blame you i knw some pac fans like any other fan do get annoying but don't wish bad luck to fighters when its not actually that person causing you anything. when pac beats jmm hopefully you can deal with the pacfan and be a bigger man to appreciate a fighters accomplishment

Well I cant see Pac beating him so thats never going to happen . Pacs not a bad fighter but he isnt this monster you guys keep saying he is . Look at the facts . He beat up on washed up legends . Morales beat him . Marquez was robbed against him . Torrencampo and another bum knocked him cold in 3 rounds . He had a draw with Sanchez. He couldnt stop Larios . . . . c'mon be real, this aint a monster . This is a guy who came around at the right time and Marquez is in a different class .

[Pavlik]

Recent Common opponent for Marquez and Pac is Barrera, Marquez struggled while PAC breezed thru. Coming in to this fight PAC is physically stonger and has a right hook as compared to his 2004 version, any changes on JMM I really dont see any aside from he will definitely respect PAC's power this time.
If a Green PAC gave JMM troubles before why can't he do it again this time, I see PAC winning this by decision like the MAB fight if JMM sticks to his counterpunching, if he decides to trade PAC stops him late in the fight.
I believe Manny can win this but I'm not betting on it

[Julius Rain]

titleist and game, i think you two are just playing favorites. You too are so confidents its like you two are the once getting in there. Im sure Game you've got it wrong before especially in a manny fight, and titleist Im not sure you follow much beside from pac fights

Try keep it reasonable guys, I was hoping to decrease the bias and haters around here

Pac and JMM are two great fighters with one great fight already. So to say how easy the other will win is a clear indicate of how bias or a hater a mere fan is. Theres no knowledge in that so lets help ourselves and debate without being bias.

Im not a Marquez fan by any stretch but I think he woned Pac last time . Pac has never really impressed me . Hed impress me if he faced someone on the way up as opposed to the way down . Marquez is probably the latter but when he beats Pac again il say " i told u so "!

your also not a pac fan or have any appreciation to his accomplishment so there is really no sense coming from YOU. What will you say if he does beat Marquez then moves up and beat Juan, will that be enough for you. Or no you'll still have no sense cause your YOU.

I assume im talking to yet another Pacfan . Yes i'll be impressed if Pac beats or even challenges Juan Diaz . I'll be impressed if he gave Guzman a shot too anyone but washed up oppoents .

Look at the facts Julius

Barrera was coming off a loss
Morales was coming off a loss each time he fought Pac and so was Larios

Therefore Pac was not beating prime opponents and these are all his recent contests . Now he is going over aold ground again with another 30 something but I dont really have a problem with this 1 cuz as I said, Marquez isnt that washed up yet.

If Pac fighst Hatton i'll give him props but youve gotta be a major fan of Pac not to see that hes been having it easy recently.

well look at who has JMM been fighting,

juarez
mab
and a few lesser fighters after pac then john

Juarez was already beaten soundly by mab, and mab was already beaten soundly by pac. Do you remember when pac beat mab the first time. Mab wasn't coming off a lost was he? Mab was the featherweight KING at that time pac dethrone him.

No but he didnt box anywhere near his best . If you think Barrera was at his best then explain this why then years later when Barrera met the new and improved Pac was Manny not able to get Mab going in a boring 12 rounder . Its cuz the 1st time he took Barrera by surprise but when he met Barrera who knew what was coming , granted he was older and in decline but he took Pacs shots no problem .

Pac didn't have to get mab going he was beating mab in his own pace. Mab had no choice either hope for the best in a dull boxing match or get scraped again in a war. Exactly Mab knew in the rematch what was coming thats why he avoided trades as much as possible, even his corner would say so inbetween rounds. He didn't take much of pacs hard shot cause pac never had to really put the pressure on mab. Pac was winning nearly all of the rounds and he barely had to be aggressive. Mab was hesitant for a reason cause he knew and did get scrape right back when he tried to rally.

Lately pac did have it easy , yea against mab whom jmm barely won against and knock down by.

Solis was an undefeated fighter but clearly was not anywhere near pacs level, Larios went the distance but was kd twice and only was for pacs showcase infront of his home country. Those two was clearly easy win for pac and he barely needed to try.

Pac was hurt by Larios in rd 3 and Larios hurts no one . Larios was coming off a K.O defeat . That was a poor display by Pac and you''ll never convince me otherwise

Yea Larios caught pac in the ropes and look how hard larios was trying to take pac out and pac just stood there and took all of it, did pac go down and who ended up getting cut up and losing that round? I'll never convince you otherwise cause you got your head inside your ass, pure hating on the realz.

Before solis and larios pac had a hell of a schedule, NOBODY HAD FOUGHT THREE LEGENDS IN A 1 year OR SO. so how can you dismiss that accomplishment by pac? who do you think has had better quality oppenents over and over beside pac?

Most fighters dont fight guys coming off losses . Thats the difference . Would he have the guts to fight had he not just seen em battered in their last fight ? I doubt it

your a real clown, i just told you mab wasn't coming off a lost when they first fought and jmm wasn't either. wow you really just dumb or blinded by bitterness. Answer my question who faces great oppenents after great oppenents, pac had the fought the best of the best more then anybody around at that time, and his doing it again. JMM is up next then the Diaz at lightweight.

Now JMM is next, you can't say that is easy cause you say pac will lose. Well its only your opinion til it actually happens. But you can't say pac is an easy win for anybody. Pac im sure is actually the favorite coming to this fight. then he'll be going up to lightweight. Believe me pac had a few easy fight in solis and larios but thats it, like always his going to be fighting top quality champs. the daizs next then where does he go from there. If Guzman really want him why did he stay so quiet for so long, now that pac has made it public his only staying at 130 for jmm cause he wants to move up. Well guzman should move up too if he really thinks he can survive 12. You also said you wanted pac to fight young up and comers, guzman is not young and his stamina is suspect. Who else you got that you think pac should fight. His already fight JMM and probubly beat him before going up to lightweight.

. . . . and yet he is a significant step up from what Pac has been fighting recently . Says it all really

I don't even get why your quoting my post for and just keep on ranting haterism, jmm a significant step up to what pac has been facing. Damn you really don't get it, jmm barely got past mab and if the k.d counted jmm would of prolly lost the fight and who was pacs last oppenent, yes mab.

Don't you think pacs speed and size will play any role into this fight? pac isn't easy to outbox thats been proven time and time again. His speed is hard to deal with plus it comes with power and it keeps coming for 12 his stamina alone is a challenge for jmm. What do you really base your predition in a jmm win against pac?

The 1st fight . In rd 1 Marquez was caught cold but aside from that there was only 1 guy in the fight . Marquez took him to school and Pac was exposed for what he is that night . Marquez wasnt particulary great but he did the basics and Pac had no answer .

Your a fool, you can look back at the first fight all you want but if you want to speak technically. you and that ref that scored it wrong are similar fools cause pac technically won that fight. Jmm won majority of the rounds but that first round pac dominated and jmm fought a raw one demensional pac then. Now he has more then what he gave jmm the first time. Im gonna fight your ass when pac whoops jmm in the rematch and expose your dumbass and thats a promise

Prolly just another boxing fan annoyed by pacfans thats why you hope pac loses. I don't blame you i knw some pac fans like any other fan do get annoying but don't wish bad luck to fighters when its not actually that person causing you anything. when pac beats jmm hopefully you can deal with the pacfan and be a bigger man to appreciate a fighters accomplishment

Well I cant see Pac beating him so thats never going to happen . Pacs not a bad fighter but he isnt this monster you guys keep saying he is . Look at the facts . He beat up on washed up legends . Morales beat him . Marquez was robbed against him . Torrencampo and another bum knocked him cold in 3 rounds . He had a draw with Sanchez. He couldnt stop Larios . . . . c'mon be real, this aint a monster . This is a guy who came around at the right time and Marquez is in a different class .

Any dumbass who still thinks torrencampo is better then pac is not even worth debating with, i can't believe i just responded to a whole bunch of dumbass posting. if only i would of read this shyty section of your trash post first i would have had spent the last 5 minutes with better things.

bottom line, game your hopeless your going to be a hater no matter what. Look at you, ain't you from the u.k and you got our rappers all over your post like you worship those guys. How old are you by the way, 17? let me guess you still zag your pants wear baggy clothes and try to past yourself as tough around other clowns such as yourself? if you really know what the game means, hating is against its law. Keeping it real is what gains respects.

[Addicted to_boxing]

I, for one, believe this is a toss-up fight. Manny has more tools than the first fight, but Marquez also knows he can dominate Manny. I think Marquez was just caught off guard in the first round of the first fight, but Marquez usually starts off slow and Manny starts of quick. If anyone out there can stop Pacquiao, it's Marquez.

This time around, I believe Manny will pull out a late KO. Like the first fight, Manny will take the early rounds, Marquez will take the middle rounds, but eventually I feel Marquez will trade (like he's been doing his last couple fights) later on and get caught.

Manny has been out of focus throughout 2007 but I KNOW he remembers the first fight and will not take Marquez lightly. If he does, he deserves to lose.

I am confused, I hear how Pac is out of focus. Then I read how has improved and become a complete boxer by PAC FANATICS?

[Addicted to_boxing]

I, for one, believe this is a toss-up fight. Manny has more tools than the first fight, but Marquez also knows he can dominate Manny. I think Marquez was just caught off guard in the first round of the first fight, but Marquez usually starts off slow and Manny starts of quick. If anyone out there can stop Pacquiao, it's Marquez.

This time around, I believe Manny will pull out a late KO. Like the first fight, Manny will take the early rounds, Marquez will take the middle rounds, but eventually I feel Marquez will trade (like he's been doing his last couple fights) later on and get caught.

Manny has been out of focus throughout 2007 but I KNOW he remembers the first fight and will not take Marquez lightly. If he does, he deserves to lose.

I am confused, I hear how Pac is out of focus. Then I read how has improved and become a complete boxer by PAC FANATICS?

What started out as a god post has tuned into a bad one . Just close the topic already. I can then see you all in here after the fight. We know who are pro PAC ans pro JMM and see how much they have to say then and the pleasure will be al mine to see them eat crow. I am one who is not impressed with Pac's accomplishments over has beens and underweight foes lake Larios and Solis. All things aside Pac is stepping up in 2008 and I respect that ....