Who's the lineal champ at 175?

[The Rookie Fan]

All you need to do is look at Jones opposition to Dariusz's opposition at Light Heavyweight and look at common opposition. Dariusz went 12 hard rounds with Virgil Hill, Jones destroyed Hill in 4. Dariusz was also struggling with the likes of Richard Hall who Jones toyed with and made him look like he should of been in a different sport. Gonzalez also pretty much easily beat Dariusz on points despite the bogus scorecards. When Gonzalez fought Jones he was dominated and was dropped multiple times.

Jones Best Wins At Light Heavyweight

Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Mike McCallum
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver

Dariusz Michalczewski's Best Wins At Light Heavyweight

Virgil Hill
Graciano Rocchigiani x2
Montell Griffin
Richard Hall x2

I don't know about you but i know who i would have considered the real champion at 175.

Ice, you are missing the point. Nobody is arguing who is the best amongst the two as there really is no comparison. We all know who was the real champion. But the real champion is not always the lineal champion.

[The Rookie Fan]

As I said before, I believe that after the title is vacated, the next unification bout decides who the next lineal champion is. It does not have to be the next undisputed champion. That is why there is no lineal champion at HW. No unification fight made since Lewis retired.

[ICB]

All you need to do is look at Jones opposition to Dariusz's opposition at Light Heavyweight and look at common opposition. Dariusz went 12 hard rounds with Virgil Hill, Jones destroyed Hill in 4. Dariusz was also struggling with the likes of Richard Hall who Jones toyed with and made him look like he should of been in a different sport. Gonzalez also pretty much easily beat Dariusz on points despite the bogus scorecards. When Gonzalez fought Jones he was dominated and was dropped multiple times.

Jones Best Wins At Light Heavyweight

Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Reggie Johnson
Lou Del Valle
Mike McCallum
Eric Harding
Julio Cesar Gonzalez
Clinton Woods
Antonio Tarver

Dariusz Michalczewski's Best Wins At Light Heavyweight

Virgil Hill
Graciano Rocchigiani x2
Montell Griffin
Richard Hall x2

I don't know about you but i know who i would have considered the real champion at 175.

Ice, you are missing the point. Nobody is arguing who is the best amongst the two as there really is no comparison. We all know who was the real champion. But the real champion is not always the lineal champion.

Thats what i was basically implying with my comment.

[Mikkel_K]

As I said before, I believe that after the title is vacated, the next unification bout decides who the next lineal champion is. It does not have to be the next undisputed champion. That is why there is no lineal champion at HW. No unification fight made since Lewis retired.

If the Ibragimov-Chagaev fight had gone ahead, the winner would be the lineal Heavyweight champion of the world? Jesus.

Also, one question to Mick, who have done very well on this thread:
When you say "regarded as the two best fighters in the weightclass", then regarded by whom exactly? I take it you mean the Ring, because 'general consensus' seems like a very subjective and elusive thing that doesn't really go down well with the idea of establishing an 'objective lineal champ'. The RJJ debate on this thread actually being a case in point for that.

[Galaxy]

Hey Mick this is sorta of topic but who was the last linear champ at 130? Was It Brian Mitchell?