Lee vs. Vera

[:::PSL:::]

Lee was taking a lot of full blown head shots. I have no problem with the stoppage. Too many flaws for both fighters. I don't think they'll be able to compete with elites.

[#1FightFan]

the show made it sooo seem like vera was nothing, and lee was the destroyer, even going so far as saying steward said he could be one of the greatest of all times.

with all that said, i didnt count on a great fight, but a short one.

BUT...

I ended up seeing one hell of a fight, seeing the underdog come back and putting a beating on the irishman.
congrats to vera, way to go~!!!!
now THATS how to respond to an opportunity given!!!
i get sick of seeing lackluster boxers dance to victory, while making millions. this young man showed great heart.
and he shut those up bigtime who gave him no chance.

the fight was stopped a bit short, but it wouldnt have changed the outcome: he was beaten, bloodied, off balance, his eyes were crossed, he was cut, and in another 10 or 15 seconds it woulda been all she wrote.

[superheavyrhun]

And I guess the Irish boxing bubble has burst big time here....after Duddy's disappointing showing last time out against a low-ranked fighter losing him a shot at Pavlik, and Dunne losing his European belt at the end of last year....Andy Lee was the big hope due to set the middleweights alight. Look at the predicitions on the first page....Shocker indeed.

And we find out from Sal you can't do all caps in a post. Valuable knowledge at the double on this thread!

[southakron314]

Worst Stoppage Ever

WTF?!?!?!?!

i cant dfo all caps in a post?!?!?



anyway


straight up


the last 2 punches were landed by lee and then the ref jumped in


WORST STOPPAGE EVER

Horrible. You should only stop a fight when the man can not defend him self. Lee fired back and Vera was punching him self out. It was less than a minute from the bell. Almost every round Lee hurt Vera. Lee didn't follow his left with a hook to the body or else wise. This makes me appreciate Steve Smoger more. Horrible stoppage. If I was Lees people I would try for a rematch. Fucking terrible.

[toogood4u]

Worst Stoppage Ever

WTF?!?!?!?!

i cant dfo all caps in a post?!?!?



anyway


straight up


the last 2 punches were landed by lee and then the ref jumped in


WORST STOPPAGE EVER

Horrible. You should only stop a fight when the man can not defend him self. Lee fired back and Vera was punching him self out. It was less than a minute from the bell. Almost every round Lee hurt Vera. Lee didn't follow his left with a hook to the body or else wise. This makes me appreciate Steve Smoger more. Horrible stoppage. If I was Lees people I would try for a rematch. Fucking terrible.

no u also stop a fight when a person has too many cuts. leehad a huge cut the blood would of freakin went into his eye causing maddd problems later on his career

[OumaFan]

I was watching the NCAA tournament and forgot about it, only saw the last three rounds. I mean the Emmanuel Steward created hype was always ridiculous, Kelly Pavlik in a year, fuck off. But still even though I wasn't sure about him I didn't expect him to lose to Vera.

Anyway he's stiff as a board, his power seems a bit overrated, and he looks chinny. Credit to Vera though, he seemed to really want it.

[OumaFan]

Lee failed the chin test, lol I wonder if those people still wanna see him fight Duddy, think he can beat Duddy still? That was a shitty stoppage, even though Lee might have still lost he never went down, that stagger was more of tripped up feet.

Probably so

[southakron314]

WTF?!?!?!?!

i cant dfo all caps in a post?!?!?



anyway


straight up


the last 2 punches were landed by lee and then the ref jumped in


WORST STOPPAGE EVER

Horrible. You should only stop a fight when the man can not defend him self. Lee fired back and Vera was punching him self out. It was less than a minute from the bell. Almost every round Lee hurt Vera. Lee didn't follow his left with a hook to the body or else wise. This makes me appreciate Steve Smoger more. Horrible stoppage. If I was Lees people I would try for a rematch. Fucking terrible.

no u also stop a fight when a person has too many cuts. leehad a huge cut the blood would of freakin went into his eye causing maddd problems later on his career

Then the ref should of had the doc look at it. He shouldnt have stopped the fight.

[No Contest]

Lee failed the chin test, lol I wonder if those people still wanna see him fight Duddy, think he can beat Duddy still? That was a shitty stoppage, even though Lee might have still lost he never went down, that stagger was more of tripped up feet.

Probably so

No way in hell, Duddy will smoke him. I kind of want to see vera vs Duddy , battle of the chins .

[RozzySean]

Spicoli and Gorilla are so off on this. Bad stoppage. If this ref was working Pavlik/Taylor 1, he would it would have been TKO 2 for Taylor. Lee was hurt, but he was still fighting back. He had staggered Vera in the previous round. Maybe Vera KO's him later that round, but Vera should have been given the opportunity to end it properly and Lee should have been given the opportunity to come back. I'm no huge Andy Lee fan, but if you think this was a good stoppage, you are just too wrapped up in the moment supporting an underdog. I love an upset as much as anybody, but I want to see it called correct. Had Vera won legit, I would be giving him all props, but the stoppage was crap, and if Vera gets back in the ring with Lee, he's going to get his ass handed to him.

Sorry Rozzy but this is the best thing that can happen to Lee right now.....The best of fighters have lost early on and looked to rebound well.Stoppage can be seen by some as Iffy and It will be noted by fans but Hypotheticals are a dime a dozen with comparisons. Lee was getting opened up on by a grade b-c guy in Vera with shots cleanly ,and Lee's body language was tired & Tattered.He was not ultimatley fazing Vera with shots and had no secondary game plan after cut and vera started backing him up.

I am not writing him off and Lee has the physical gifts to build on.I Liked his occasional sneaky inside shots and range but He was out worked and out punched down the stretch.We'll see Lee again and hopefully he can rebuild but he has some work to do.

This may be a good thing for Lee in the long run, but I disagree the Lee wasn't phasing Vera. It was a very close fight, in fact, Lee was up on the cards. It's not like Vera was dominating every round. He was just dominating THAT round. I could see the stoppage if Vera had been dominating on the cards and Lee didn't have a chance to come back and win. This isn't the amatuers. That might have been a good stoppage in a Golden Gloves match, but for pro main event, it was garbage. Lee was still throwing back, for gods sake!!

[Hulk]

Spicoli and Gorilla are so off on this. Bad stoppage. If this ref was working Pavlik/Taylor 1, he would it would have been TKO 2 for Taylor. Lee was hurt, but he was still fighting back. He had staggered Vera in the previous round. Maybe Vera KO's him later that round, but Vera should have been given the opportunity to end it properly and Lee should have been given the opportunity to come back. I'm no huge Andy Lee fan, but if you think this was a good stoppage, you are just too wrapped up in the moment supporting an underdog. I love an upset as much as anybody, but I want to see it called correct. Had Vera won legit, I would be giving him all props, but the stoppage was crap, and if Vera gets back in the ring with Lee, he's going to get his ass handed to him.

Sorry Rozzy but this is the best thing that can happen to Lee right now.....The best of fighters have lost early on and looked to rebound well.Stoppage can be seen by some as Iffy and It will be noted by fans but Hypotheticals are a dime a dozen with comparisons. Lee was getting opened up on by a grade b-c guy in Vera with shots cleanly ,and Lee's body language was tired & Tattered.He was not ultimatley fazing Vera with shots and had no secondary game plan after cut and vera started backing him up.

I am not writing him off and Lee has the physical gifts to build on.I Liked his occasional sneaky inside shots and range but He was out worked and out punched down the stretch.We'll see Lee again and hopefully he can rebuild but he has some work to do.

This may be a good thing for Lee in the long run, but I disagree the Lee wasn't phasing Vera. It was a very close fight, in fact, Lee was up on the cards. It's not like Vera was dominating every round. He was just dominating THAT round. I could see the stoppage if Vera had been dominating on the cards and Lee didn't have a chance to come back and win. This isn't the amatuers. That might have been a good stoppage in a Golden Gloves match, but for pro main event, it was garbage. Lee was still throwing back, for gods sake!!

Give it a rest man. Lee lost, the underdog won. Everyone is happy but you and a few other Lee fans. He fought a stupid fight and lost.

[p4pking]

Spicoli and Gorilla are so off on this. Bad stoppage. If this ref was working Pavlik/Taylor 1, he would it would have been TKO 2 for Taylor. Lee was hurt, but he was still fighting back. He had staggered Vera in the previous round. Maybe Vera KO's him later that round, but Vera should have been given the opportunity to end it properly and Lee should have been given the opportunity to come back. I'm no huge Andy Lee fan, but if you think this was a good stoppage, you are just too wrapped up in the moment supporting an underdog. I love an upset as much as anybody, but I want to see it called correct. Had Vera won legit, I would be giving him all props, but the stoppage was crap, and if Vera gets back in the ring with Lee, he's going to get his ass handed to him.

Even if Lee could have continued with any chance of turning things around(certainly didn't look that way), it's not worth comparing this stoppage to a CHAMPIONSHIP fight. The ref SHOULD generally allow fighters to continue when hurt, and give them a little more benefit of the doubt when it's two elite fighters competiting for a lineal championship. This was a young inexperienced prospects TV debut against an extremely limited fighter. There's no reason that Lee should have had to endure more punishment on the off chance that he may pull a hail mary out of nowhere and turn things around. What is the point, whether the fight was stopped then, a couple rounds later, or even if Lee had managed to shake off the cobwebs and win a decision, he was still exposed, the damage was already done, and he had little to gain in trying to fight on. I think the ref made an excellent call in stopping it there. Not because Lee couldn't have continued, but because he didn't want to, and he was taking a LOT of punishment. If that fight had been let continue Lee could have got very hurt. You don't sound like much of a fan of his if that's what you wanted to see.

[Mar]

I really don't see this as that big of an upset....most of us were real skeptical of how great Lee really was and vera was 15-1 so it really wasn't that big of a shocker, i admit i was one that got caught up in the hype but anyhow.....Problem one was lee was told he was too great too many times to early in his career. That being said i'm not so quick to crap on the kid either, there were a lot of positive things i saw from him last night, he fights on the outside great, has good movement, is pretty smart among other things. He was in with a guy bigger and stronger and once vera realized lee had superior boxing skill but his power was way overrated it was just a matter of time. The stoppage was fine and lee's look after his intial half assed "WTF" reaction told it all. No way he could stick and move and avoid being caught for another round. Also vera did slip in what was called a knockdown in the first as a sidebar. With as many shots as lee took the fight would have been over much earlier if hit by someone like say codrington. Jaidon hit vera a whole lot less but took him out in the second round, lee hit vera tons but never really looked like he had vera hurt so who knows. I'm very intoxicated so i hope at least some of this makes sense, just wanted to chime in.

[RozzySean]

Sorry Rozzy but this is the best thing that can happen to Lee right now.....The best of fighters have lost early on and looked to rebound well.Stoppage can be seen by some as Iffy and It will be noted by fans but Hypotheticals are a dime a dozen with comparisons. Lee was getting opened up on by a grade b-c guy in Vera with shots cleanly ,and Lee's body language was tired & Tattered.He was not ultimatley fazing Vera with shots and had no secondary game plan after cut and vera started backing him up.

I am not writing him off and Lee has the physical gifts to build on.I Liked his occasional sneaky inside shots and range but He was out worked and out punched down the stretch.We'll see Lee again and hopefully he can rebuild but he has some work to do.

This may be a good thing for Lee in the long run, but I disagree the Lee wasn't phasing Vera. It was a very close fight, in fact, Lee was up on the cards. It's not like Vera was dominating every round. He was just dominating THAT round. I could see the stoppage if Vera had been dominating on the cards and Lee didn't have a chance to come back and win. This isn't the amatuers. That might have been a good stoppage in a Golden Gloves match, but for pro main event, it was garbage. Lee was still throwing back, for gods sake!!

Give it a rest man. Lee lost, the underdog won. Everyone is happy but you and a few other Lee fans. He fought a stupid fight and lost.

I wouldn't consider myself a big Lee fan, and I'm happy for Vera. I was cheering for Vera from the 12th row when he beat Max Alexander's ass in Boston. Vera is a better fighter than most people give him credit for being. His only loss came to a guy who has only lost to Allen Greene and Sakio Bika, and Coddrington gave Bika a heck of a fight. I'm having a legit debate over whether or not it was good stoppage, and there are other people who agree with me.

So if you want to make a point, make a point other than calling me a fan-boy and not contributing anything to the discussion.

[Hulk]

This may be a good thing for Lee in the long run, but I disagree the Lee wasn't phasing Vera. It was a very close fight, in fact, Lee was up on the cards. It's not like Vera was dominating every round. He was just dominating THAT round. I could see the stoppage if Vera had been dominating on the cards and Lee didn't have a chance to come back and win. This isn't the amatuers. That might have been a good stoppage in a Golden Gloves match, but for pro main event, it was garbage. Lee was still throwing back, for gods sake!!

Give it a rest man. Lee lost, the underdog won. Everyone is happy but you and a few other Lee fans. He fought a stupid fight and lost.

I wouldn't consider myself a big Lee fan, and I'm happy for Vera. I was cheering for Vera from the 12th row when he beat Max Alexander's ass in Boston. Vera is a better fighter than most people give him credit for being. His only loss came to a guy who has only lost to Allen Greene and Sakio Bika, and Coddrington gave Bika a heck of a fight. I'm having a legit debate over whether or not it was good stoppage, and there are other people who agree with me.

So if you want to make a point, make a point other than calling me a fan-boy and not contributing anything to the discussion.

It was a legit stoppage, Lee had been wobbled several times in that round and was batterd and did not have his legs under him, you fan boy.