Man made Global Warming

[:::PSL:::]

The qualifier MAN MADE should really help you figure this out.


Has the Earth's climate ever truly been stable? We've had Ice Ages and oppressive heat and ice ages and oppressive heat etc etc etc...dinosaurs didn't have cars there was an Ice Age after them and then it subsided and why? Why would an Ice Age just stop all of a sudden?


Sure pollution is bad and sure we should look after our Earth


HOWEVER

Orbital forcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Oh my God!!!! There's a NON-MAN MADE REASON BEHIND THIS AFTER ALL!!!!


All you guys are fucking sheep just being led around by Al Gore who wants to be President of Earth because he feels slighted because he LOST the 2000 Presidential Election....whatver you believe about the votes and Florida the key factor to Al Gore becoming a tree hugging crazy man was that he didn't win the Presidency.


Orbital Forcing.....learn it, live it, love it....I'm going to buy an SUV now and just leave it outside with the engine idling

I don't know about you, but I want my great great grandkids to enjoy the outdoor without wearing gas masks and chemical suits.

ha! As if you'll be allowed to breed.

Hmm..mm? You wanna find out?

[Kirkland Laing]

I asked you...so go ahead

It's a statement that says no matter how bad things get in the future, somewhere beneath thirty feet of ice covering the earth life will exist in some form indefinitely.

Well personally Lyle I'd like to postpone that thirty feet of ice scenario as long as possible, so that my kids and grandkids, great grandkids etc. get to live on a relatively earth-like earth and not a frozen or scorched wasteland. Something that looks fairly similar to the thing we live on today.

And according to climate scientists -- again Lyle, people who know what they're talking about -- we need to make changes asap so that the earth keeps on looking familiar in the future.

[El Kabong]

#1 You'd be stopping the Earth from doing a natural thing which it has and always will do....so go right ahead and try to stop climate change, it's not going to happen and the arrogance you show by even thinking that we could stop global warming is amazing.


#2 Plenty of scientists disagree with MAN MADE Global Warming/Climate Change. List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It's far from a consensus view and it's time everyone realized it

[Andre]

But Lyle, it's not actually climate change at all.

It's over exposure.
It's not a controlled natural occurence it's a triggered increase in the extremities of our weather as a result of the breakdown of our natural protective membrane.

and Donny has the key.

Yes climate changes occur with or without us. Most scientists agree that our last hundred years or so of industrialisation has sped these changes up, now to what % is very much open to debate, some consider it to be insignificant.

Yes species naturally go extinct generally through changes in habitat/ predator ratios etc......what I and many others have an issue with is that as humans we are so self centered, egotisical and arrogant that we don't actually give a shit that we are actively causing species to go extinct, for example, I don't want the Albatross, which has been going about it's business for many years, to end up dead because I'm too bone idle to dispose of plastics responsibly.

Well said Missy

Yeah well said,
many points raised not just one point out on the edge of an extreme statement.

The great barrier reef has been growing naturally for billions of years and in the last 3 decades is DEAD not just dying is dead and its spreading deeper and deeper and its not just from Earths natural occurances.

Here is another point in this collection of many;

Everything is in a finite balancing act we are included in that act and we do have our effects on every aspect of it .
Our effects stem from deeper than just the physical actions of ourselves or our little machines as a group. Although we are stripping all the main forests for our lovely furniture at the expense of our fresh air and future rain dispersion.(it'll fall into the sea instead).

Truthfully the sun is releasing massive energy that it hasnt before and it has more effects on us than all the planets combined both in astronomy and astrology ,both personally and also with physical planetary effects on the end.

We stand to lose not just the clothes off our backs.
I agree with Lyle there isnt a thing we can do to change it from here in the physical state we chose to exist in.

Massive change is imminent and billions of us wont take to it kindly unless they reevaluate what they hold dear to themselves ,starting within themselves.

Just as you cant do or change anything physically until you have first thought it. It goes deeper cause you have to change or at least realize your deepest feelings before you can think differently and comfortably stand in a different point of view. The secret to all of the power is all in the foundation spirit feeling.
Earth is the physical foundation and we are from within her and we are from above her. As it was once written .. as above so below.

Dont hang onto anything , enjoy the ride,

[Scrap]

Ill second that, as an old man once said people who are trying to be clever are not they are just trying.

[Kirkland Laing]

#1 You'd be stopping the Earth from doing a natural thing which it has and always will do....so go right ahead and try to stop climate change, it's not going to happen and the arrogance you show by even thinking that we could stop global warming is amazing.


#2 Plenty of scientists disagree with MAN MADE Global Warming/Climate Change. List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It's far from a consensus view and it's time everyone realized it

1. Pumping millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere via industrial processes every day is not "natural."

2. Not one single scientist has produced a peer-reviewed paper of evidence that disputes man-made global warming as against thousands of papers that claim it exists. The people disputing it are pretty much all funded by oil companies too. At the recent UN global warming meeting the hundreds of scientists telling the world's governments to get busy were offered thousands of dollars by oil companies to become public sceptics.

Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.
Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.



Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study | Environment | The Guardian

[El Kabong]

1. Volcanoes they are natural are they not?

2. That's an outright lie regarding the peer reviewed papers of evidence


As for the UN they can go fuck themselves all they want to do is hurt the US and countries that actually try and follow procedures to help reduce emissions but when it comes to making China and India follow our lead in this venture, it just hasn't happened and it won't happen.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

[Fenster]

and Donny has the key.

Yes climate changes occur with or without us. Most scientists agree that our last hundred years or so of industrialisation has sped these changes up, now to what % is very much open to debate, some consider it to be insignificant.

Yes species naturally go extinct generally through changes in habitat/ predator ratios etc......what I and many others have an issue with is that as humans we are so self centered, egotisical and arrogant that we don't actually give a shit that we are actively causing species to go extinct, for example, I don't want the Albatross, which has been going about it's business for many years, to end up dead because I'm too bone idle to dispose of plastics responsibly.

Well said Missy

Yeah well said,
many points raised not just one point out on the edge of an extreme statement.

The great barrier reef has been growing naturally for billions of years and in the last 3 decades is DEAD not just dying is dead and its spreading deeper and deeper and its not just from Earths natural occurances.

Here is another point in this collection of many;

Everything is in a finite balancing act we are included in that act and we do have our effects on every aspect of it .
Our effects stem from deeper than just the physical actions of ourselves or our little machines as a group. Although we are stripping all the main forests for our lovely furniture at the expense of our fresh air and future rain dispersion.(it'll fall into the sea instead).

Truthfully the sun is releasing massive energy that it hasnt before and it has more effects on us than all the planets combined both in astronomy and astrology ,both personally and also with physical planetary effects on the end.

We stand to lose not just the clothes off our backs.
I agree with Lyle there isnt a thing we can do to change it from here in the physical state we chose to exist in.

Massive change is imminent and billions of us wont take to it kindly unless they reevaluate what they hold dear to themselves ,starting within themselves.

Just as you cant do or change anything physically until you have first thought it. It goes deeper cause you have to change or at least realize your deepest feelings before you can think differently and comfortably stand in a different point of view. The secret to all of the power is all in the foundation spirit feeling.
Earth is the physical foundation and we are from within her and we are from above her. As it was once written .. as above so below.

Dont hang onto anything , enjoy the ride,

Ive been drinking.

Does contributing to killing off Missy's birds mattter?.. considering the enjoyment of the ride?

[Kev]

Only 4 pages so far? Lyles just getting warmed up

[El Kabong]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

Volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than anything man made


Kirkland if I said the Earth is round you'd argue against it.

Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts

Scoop: IPCC Report slammed as “dangerous nonsense"

Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group News

nzclimatescience.net - 030807 Marc Morano's Round-up

Carbon dioxide did not end the last Ice Age

UAH News: Your Official UAH News Source

http://www.griffith.edu.au/conferenc...pdf/ICS176.pdf

Reply to Lockwood and Fröhlich - The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing — Spacecenter


There is no "consensus"....you go ahead drink the Kool Aid and let the government tell you what to do and think, I am sure you will be happy being sheep

[Andre]

Ill second that, as an old man once said people who are trying to be clever are not they are just trying.

Thanks mate,touched by your rep comment too, will return the +rep when the sh!t of thing lets me.

[Andre]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

Volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than anything man made

Yes they do ; when they go off which is rare.

(and they can bring jets down )

Jets on the other hand are numbered in the hundreds of thousands and they run 365.6 days a year 24 hours a day .

You have a point Lyle but just because yours is correct doesnt automatically make the other side of the coin incorrect ,there are two sides to this matter.

Although both sides that run with this whole caper as a job or politically act like extremist Fundamentalist greenies or fundamentalist industrialists ;doesnt mean we have to buy into either of their extreme views although they do both have some points of truth.

Thats like the lady down the street picking on everyone elses point of
be-ing just to make herself feel right about hers.

My neighbour and I both have green grass he waters the sh!it out of his and I keep mine shaded with trees, we have the exact same outcome and he would never for one second consider my point of view towards why I chose to leave my natural trees in place;
(I'm not even going there ).

I know in his industriuos mind it pays him to go to work and just pay for the excess water rates and sit back and stare at its benift over the weekend.

[Kirkland Laing]

Yes Lyle, volcanoes are natural. Pumping millions of tons of shit into the air every day, not so much.

No it isn't.

Volcanoes produce more greenhouse gases than anything man made


Kirkland if I said the Earth is round you'd argue against it.

Synchronized Chaos: Mechanisms For Major Climate Shifts

Scoop: IPCC Report slammed as “dangerous nonsense"

Climate Science: Roger Pielke Sr. Research Group News

nzclimatescience.net - 030807 Marc Morano's Round-up

Carbon dioxide did not end the last Ice Age

UAH News: Your Official UAH News Source

http://www.griffith.edu.au/conferenc...pdf/ICS176.pdf

Reply to Lockwood and Fröhlich - The persistent role of the Sun in climate forcing — Spacecenter


There is no "consensus"....you go ahead drink the Kool Aid and let the government tell you what to do and think, I am sure you will be happy being sheep

Your posts are unrelenting preposterous bs. From now on I'm just going to deal with the first piece of preposterous bs in each of your posts to save myself the time of replying to all the subsequent preposterous bs in each post.

Here's the first bit covered :

Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year [ 1% of yearly emissions, natural, something we can't affect] while man's activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year [99%, unnatural, something we can do something about].


A bunch of pointless links just isn't worth replying to.

http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm

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Kirkland if I said the Earth is round you'd argue against it.

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Everyone knows the earth is not round, and that it is flat. Don't try and start an argument for the sake it it.