-8 Teens arrested in beating a 16 yr. old -

[katfight]

Kat sorry, I was generalising as a rule in everything there are many exceptions. My Father came from a very large Irish Canadian Family of eleven. All have done well, But this generation of the stock the most is three. Its when they reach there late Teens the problems start, well on our estate it does .

ok hun and i do know what u mean but it isnt fair to be stereotyped just because i like sex lmao (jk)
im irish blooded too so that must why mine are all well behaved lol
i believe its all about respect too and my children respect meand they know if i had a parent knock on my door because they had been misbehaving they would be in serious shite

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Horrible story Diane, but it could have been worse, if you get my drift. It was brave what you did. It's a shame you didn't hit them harder!
I've stuck my neck out a couple of times but never in something as serious and so far without anything bad happening to me.

I think if we have the attitude of I'm not going to get involved or it's nothing to do with me and walk away we might as well just all bend over right now. If you were getting attacked wouldn't you want someone to come to your aid?

If miss thing in her pink pants would like to fight me I am available.

[Sharla]

Its fucking hard being a parent, and takes a lot of time and patience. On my travels it seems that the People that have most Children, dont have the time or the patience and mentality to be parents. Always makes me smile in bewilderment at there mindsett. Theres always an excuse and its always somebody elses fault.

thats not fair scrap
all my children are well looked after and i have time for all of them
and i have 6
they dont back chat they dont swear (at least not in my presence )
they are rowdy as children are but are very very well behaved i can take all of them together shopping and get people saying how well behaved they are
we have a buddy system in our house so somebody is always holding somebody's hand
i make all my food from scratch including the baby's food (which is the inli thing i have in my freezer)and i have breast fed all of my children until they are at least 2
its parents that are just shite that this problem comes from not the amount of children they have
i have more children than most and my partner works every hour he can the children get whateva they need they go to clubs etc...... because i feel i hd those children and it is now my responsibility to make sure they have a beautiful happy life

I'm not a parent and I just get overwhelmed at the thought. I think I'd need a lot of mentoring to learn to become a good parent. People like you Katfight are inspirational.

The whole many versus few thing got me thinking about my flatmate's boyfriend - who is fom Papua New Guinea. His mum had something like 11 children before she died during childbirth. She brought him up very well but using ideas I'd think are unusual in modern western culture.

One example being that she taught him to wash his own clothes and finish all his chores when he was told to. One day he left his good clothes soaking in a bucket of water and went off to play without finishing up. His mum took them out and cut them all up to teach him that if you don't look after your good things you don't get to keep them!

He is almost too fastidious but as one of the older brothers in the family he takes a lot of responsibility for his younger sibling - which reminds me of Katfight's buddy system.

I also like the idea of teaching kids to cook and clean etc as soon as possible is all part of it.

I found living out of home relatively easy compared to my older brothers becuase I knew how to do that when I moved out. They did work growing up too but it was 100 % farm work so when living out of home in the city those skills didn't help in such a direct way. I think for a while some of the food they ate was pretty boring!

One of my first flatmates ended up moving back in with her Grandma not long after moving out because she couldn't handle cooking and cleaning for herself. She didn't know how to use a washing machine or anything!

I did/do have a difficult time due to not getting my driving licence before moving out and if I ever have kids that's one thing I'll insist on teaching them as soon as it's legal.

That's why I don't disagree with the clothes washing thing and buddy systems. I think you need to teach your kids responsibility along with the skills they need to be independent.

I think you mostly hear about the nuture aspect of parenting but little about the idea of teaching your kids responsibility. Too many kids are brought up spoilt and without basic self care skills.

I'm not sure if other people would see a connection between this and this really bad behaviour but I think it's all part of where the western culture often falls short in it's education of parents and parents to be.

[Andre]

Its fucking hard being a parent, and takes a lot of time and patience. On my travels it seems that the People that have most Children, dont have the time or the patience and mentality to be parents. Always makes me smile in bewilderment at there mindsett. Theres always an excuse and its always somebody elses fault.

thats not fair scrap
all my children are well looked after and i have time for all of them
and i have 6
they dont back chat they dont swear (at least not in my presence )
they are rowdy as children are but are very very well behaved i can take all of them together shopping and get people saying how well behaved they are
we have a buddy system in our house so somebody is always holding somebody's hand
i make all my food from scratch including the baby's food (which is the inli thing i have in my freezer)and i have breast fed all of my children until they are at least 2
its parents that are just shite that this problem comes from not the amount of children they have
i have more children than most and my partner works every hour he can the children get whateva they need they go to clubs etc...... because i feel i hd those children and it is now my responsibility to make sure they have a beautiful happy life

I'm not a parent and I just get overwhelmed at the thought. I think I'd need a lot of mentoring to learn to become a good parent. People like you Katfight are inspirational.

The whole many versus few thing got me thinking about my flatmate's boyfriend - who is fom Papua New Guinea. His mum had something like 11 children before she died during childbirth. She brought him up very well but using ideas I'd think are unusual in modern western culture.

One example being that she taught him to wash his own clothes and finish all his chores when he was told to. One day he left his good clothes soaking in a bucket of water and went off to play without finishing up. His mum took them out and cut them all up to teach him that if you don't look after your good things you don't get to keep them!

He is almost too fastidious but as one of the older brothers in the family he takes a lot of responsibility for his younger sibling - which reminds me of Katfight's buddy system.

I also like the idea of teaching kids to cook and clean etc as soon as possible is all part of it.

I found living out of home relatively easy compared to my older brothers becuase I knew how to do that when I moved out. They did work growing up too but it was 100 % farm work so when living out of home in the city those skills didn't help in such a direct way. I think for a while some of the food they ate was pretty boring!

One of my first flatmates ended up moving back in with her Grandma not long after moving out because she couldn't handle cooking and cleaning for herself. She didn't know how to use a washing machine or anything!

I did/do have a difficult time due to not getting my driving licence before moving out and if I ever have kids that's one thing I'll insist on teaching them as soon as it's legal.

That's why I don't disagree with the clothes washing thing and buddy systems. I think you need to teach your kids responsibility along with the skills they need to be independent.

I think you mostly hear about the nuture aspect of parenting but little about the idea of teaching your kids responsibility. Too many kids are brought up spoilt and without basic self care skills.

I'm not sure if other people would see a connection between this and this really bad behaviour but I think it's all part of where the western culture often falls short in it's education of parents and parents to be.

I think its great to teach them that they can chose to do whatever they wish and they always have your blessings and your love unconditionally ;
"but listen carefully to me because (these ) will be the concequences of your actions."And spell it out with no embarresment no hiding a thing.

You can test a kid out and how much work you have in front of you and how much of an eye you need to keep on one by offering them a lolly now or if they wait till tomorrow they can have the whole bag,its their choice.

I have one of each in my house, both are great kids but one needs steerage,the other has it made already.

[katfight]

thats not fair scrap
all my children are well looked after and i have time for all of them
and i have 6
they dont back chat they dont swear (at least not in my presence )
they are rowdy as children are but are very very well behaved i can take all of them together shopping and get people saying how well behaved they are
we have a buddy system in our house so somebody is always holding somebody's hand
i make all my food from scratch including the baby's food (which is the inli thing i have in my freezer)and i have breast fed all of my children until they are at least 2
its parents that are just shite that this problem comes from not the amount of children they have
i have more children than most and my partner works every hour he can the children get whateva they need they go to clubs etc...... because i feel i hd those children and it is now my responsibility to make sure they have a beautiful happy life

I'm not a parent and I just get overwhelmed at the thought. I think I'd need a lot of mentoring to learn to become a good parent. People like you Katfight are inspirational.

The whole many versus few thing got me thinking about my flatmate's boyfriend - who is fom Papua New Guinea. His mum had something like 11 children before she died during childbirth. She brought him up very well but using ideas I'd think are unusual in modern western culture.

One example being that she taught him to wash his own clothes and finish all his chores when he was told to. One day he left his good clothes soaking in a bucket of water and went off to play without finishing up. His mum took them out and cut them all up to teach him that if you don't look after your good things you don't get to keep them!

He is almost too fastidious but as one of the older brothers in the family he takes a lot of responsibility for his younger sibling - which reminds me of Katfight's buddy system.

I also like the idea of teaching kids to cook and clean etc as soon as possible is all part of it.

I found living out of home relatively easy compared to my older brothers becuase I knew how to do that when I moved out. They did work growing up too but it was 100 % farm work so when living out of home in the city those skills didn't help in such a direct way. I think for a while some of the food they ate was pretty boring!

One of my first flatmates ended up moving back in with her Grandma not long after moving out because she couldn't handle cooking and cleaning for herself. She didn't know how to use a washing machine or anything!

I did/do have a difficult time due to not getting my driving licence before moving out and if I ever have kids that's one thing I'll insist on teaching them as soon as it's legal.

That's why I don't disagree with the clothes washing thing and buddy systems. I think you need to teach your kids responsibility along with the skills they need to be independent.

I think you mostly hear about the nuture aspect of parenting but little about the idea of teaching your kids responsibility. Too many kids are brought up spoilt and without basic self care skills.

I'm not sure if other people would see a connection between this and this really bad behaviour but I think it's all part of where the western culture often falls short in it's education of parents and parents to be.

I think its great to teach them that they can chose to do whatever they wish and they always have your blessings and your love unconditionally ;
"but listen carefully to me because (these ) will be the concequences of your actions."And spell it out with no embarresment no hiding a thing.

You can test a kid out and how much work you have in front of you and how much of an eye you need to keep on one by offering them a lolly now or if they wait till tomorrow they can have the whole bag,its their choice.

I have one of each in my house, both are great kids but one needs steerage,the other has it made already.

thanx for that Sharla thats a really nice thing to say
i'm with u Andre i give mine choices and the concequences and they have to make the choice
the onli thing i insist on in my house is no lying
no matter how bad never ever lie
ifor example in choices my 4yr old was helping me make rice crispie cakes and climbed onto the washer i asked her to get down b4 she fell or hurt herself and she said she didnt want to
so i gave her the choice you either get down and we'll make these again or you stay up there and this will be the last time(mine always like to string along the thinking part of thier decision lol)
she got down
its about steering them in the right direction without pressure and force but with advantadges to doing what is asked of them and what is right

[Sharla]

I'm taking notes from both of you here - very clever stuff!