Did Cotto quit (Please read first)

[rene69]

Why the exception according to waht you guys are saying he is a quiter he was not even that hurt just being outboxed and he just quite.

He was a quitter for that one fight but proved he could comeback and restore his valor and never quit again, and won two more title at a higher weight to prove it. That's why i call him an exception.

[XaduBoxer]

I will only label Cotto a "quitter" or "not a warrior" if he will quit again in a future fight...

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I agree, because once fighters call it a day like Cotto did...it just gets easier to quit from that point on. Remember Acelino Freitas.

Yeah that's the possibility. If you quit in one fight then there's a big possibility that you will quit again in another future fight. Two (2) quits will make you a quitter but if you only quit once, I will not consider you a quitter yet.

[XaduBoxer]

Well Saddo do you think that Duran not a warrior because he quit vs Sugar Ray Leonard just ask on what you think of that.

I clearly stated who the guys I will consider "quitter" or maybe "not a warrior". Those who did it more than once. Did Duran do the "no mas" for the second time in another fight?

[Andre]

If he trys again with plan b we will have to come up with a name that combines (a runner and a spoiler and a boxer), cause thats probably the only combination that may stop him becomming just a quitter then.

This thread and the other simular ones are all about how far we each personally feel a fighter should go out to make us, as fans happy. Compassion for others well being helps define where you stand on this matter. There are many boxing fans out there that want to a ko because its like a car accident to them. It occurs , but its only a small piece of the whole boxing sceme of things, more so in the higher weights.
That is why the general public like the heavyweights cause we all got the same heads and they get knocked off more frequently when the movment and body behind it is larger,also the action is slower so the general public get to see more and understand more.
Going by some peoples definition of a warrior then; someone who hasnt got a tough beard and goes out like a light or wobbles easily and is dropped when caught and has to call it day or quit, cannot ever be included into warrior class because you arent ever going to see a stand up war from them!

For me those weaker chinned types who still step into the ring and are forced to utilize all the other skills of boxing to try to get even with the more naturally tough chinned who have a great advantage are more within the warrior code.
That is the warrior code, going in against adversity when you're at a known disadvantage. To me the definition of 'quitter' is one who wont even turn up for the game and will fold real early. Or one who wont come in a second time for another shot. Not someone who says ,"you know what, i lose, I can't do nothing more,the belt is yours".<- that is just smart work. Sorry for those who feel they have been robbed of seeing someone out cold but seriously you may have deeper needs not just related to the art of fighting.

[TitoFan]

I'm not going to hold SaddoBoxer's opinion against him or Markusdarkus. But I am going to strongly agree with some of the other posts I've seen on here. The word "quitter" is always used in a negative sense. There's nothing positive about it. And if you can honestly watch the Cotto-Margarito fight, and still call Cotto a quitter..... then IMO you have a hidden agenda. It's disrespectful to a consumate professional, who gives a great show to us fans and basically wants to continue to do so in the future. My comments on some of the posts:

Does a "warrior" need to stand there, with nothing left in the tank to defend, and take punches to the head willingly until the drop them to the floor, for them to not be labeled a quitter?

Agree wholeheartedly. It seems some people's definitions of "warrior" and "quitter" are different from the norm.

nothing personal, but kinda pointless thread

Agreed once again.

He's mincing words and he knows it... Just being degrading to Cotto, why bring it up if you think he did the right thing Because you are using the word QUIT to denote something a heartless loser would do.. Like how Golata quit against Tyson, Andrew would deserve to have that Quitter tag and negative condintation attached to him. Cotto on the other hand fought his heart out and had nothing left anymore to intelligently defend himself... Thats the difference

Oh hell, yeah. Again, great points and well stated.

He will go down in modern history as a great fighter but a warrior no.

Well, let's just say I'm glad you're not going to be writing any history books.

I wouldn't call any fighter 'quitter' its downright rude. Do it to Miguels face one day instead of in here all safe and sound and see who quits first. They are all their own men who dont have to bend over for the two bit fans who only want more blood or ko's, they do what they feel is right for their own progression in life.

I liked the part about the two-bit fans. I'd rep you, but gotta spread the wealth first.

To say he Quit in its truest form is an insult to both Cotto & Tony.

You better believe it, Spicoli. Well said.

I will only label Cotto a "quitter" or "not a warrior" if he will quit again in a future fight...

You harped on this a lot. So there's a quota system? I don't get that. Circumstances are circumstances. As many people on here have said, "quitting" has a very negative connotation. You can quote Cotto interviews, you can quote Webster's Dictionary, you can put whatever the hell spin on it. But callling any prizefighter a "quitter" is just plain insulting, and 99.99% of boxing fans will agree with that.

[XaduBoxer]

I will only label Cotto a "quitter" or "not a warrior" if he will quit again in a future fight...

You harped on this a lot. So there's a quota system? I don't get that. Circumstances are circumstances. As many people on here have said, "quitting" has a very negative connotation. You can quote Cotto interviews, you can quote Webster's Dictionary, you can put whatever the hell spin on it. But callling any prizefighter a "quitter" is just plain insulting, and 99.99% of boxing fans will agree with that.

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Well we have different standards I guess. For me if a boxer quit again and again then I will definitely label him a "quitter".

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[TitoFan]

I will only label Cotto a "quitter" or "not a warrior" if he will quit again in a future fight...

You harped on this a lot. So there's a quota system? I don't get that. Circumstances are circumstances. As many people on here have said, "quitting" has a very negative connotation. You can quote Cotto interviews, you can quote Webster's Dictionary, you can put whatever the hell spin on it. But callling any prizefighter a "quitter" is just plain insulting, and 99.99% of boxing fans will agree with that.

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Well we have different standards I guess. For me if a boxer quit again and again then I will definitely label him a "quitter".

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So a fighter who has absorbed punishment for 11 rounds, has had his nose broken, is bloodied, has nothing left in the tank, and can no longer defend himself should continue standing till he is spectacularly KTFO'ed. And then he's a warrior and not a quitter.

I see. I'm sure Deuk Koo Kim's family would be heartened to know he fit the definition of a warrior and not a quitter.

[toogood4u]

everybody doesnt want anyone to get hurt

so like cotto he was hurt bad and if he didnt quit he would of taken alotof punishments.

no body wants any1 to get hurt, they all got families to go back too and support

[XaduBoxer]

You harped on this a lot. So there's a quota system? I don't get that. Circumstances are circumstances. As many people on here have said, "quitting" has a very negative connotation. You can quote Cotto interviews, you can quote Webster's Dictionary, you can put whatever the hell spin on it. But callling any prizefighter a "quitter" is just plain insulting, and 99.99% of boxing fans will agree with that.

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Well we have different standards I guess. For me if a boxer quit again and again then I will definitely label him a "quitter".

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So a fighter who has absorbed punishment for 11 rounds, has had his nose broken, is bloodied, has nothing left in the tank, and can no longer defend himself should continue standing till he is spectacularly KTFO'ed. And then he's a warrior and not a quitter.

I see. I'm sure Deuk Koo Kim's family would be heartened to know he fit the definition of a warrior and not a quitter.

This is my last post on this subject. My criteria is very simple, "if a boxer quits in several fights then he's a quitter to me"...

I didn't call Cotto a quitter but if Cotto quits again in a future fight then definitely I will label him a quitter for it's more than once already.

Bash me if you want but that's my criteria for a quitter.
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[LEGION]

[/quote]This is my last post on this subject. My criteria is very simple, "if a boxer quits in several fights then he's a quitter to me"...

I didn't call Cotto a quitter but if Cotto quits again in a future fight then definitely I will label him a quitter for it's more than once already.

Bash me if you want but that's my criteria for a quitter.[/quote]





So you're quitting

[C.J.Rock]

Cotto had the crap beaten out of him he did the wise thing, quit and fight another day. Would you rather have seen him get brutally battered senseless and possibly seriously hurt?? He was a beaten fighter he made the right choice

[XaduBoxer]

This is my last post on this subject. My criteria is very simple, "if a boxer quits in several fights then he's a quitter to me"...

I didn't call Cotto a quitter but if Cotto quits again in a future fight then definitely I will label him a quitter for it's more than once already.

Bash me if you want but that's my criteria for a quitter.

So you're quitting

NOT without a gallant fight and several negative reps on the way (maybe around -3000) ... I took the beatings but I stand up on what I believed in...

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[Andre]

Well I dont neg rep ,everyone has the right to an opinion and its only from a human and dual set of ideals that we judge others right or wrong so I dont.
But hopefully we can all get to the stage where we all at least can wonder why we feel the need to stand on certain principles and never see the other peoples points of view.
Its all good.

[Dizaster]

Well we have different standards I guess. For me if a boxer quit again and again then I will definitely label him a "quitter".

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So a fighter who has absorbed punishment for 11 rounds, has had his nose broken, is bloodied, has nothing left in the tank, and can no longer defend himself should continue standing till he is spectacularly KTFO'ed. And then he's a warrior and not a quitter.

I see. I'm sure Deuk Koo Kim's family would be heartened to know he fit the definition of a warrior and not a quitter.

This is my last post on this subject. My criteria is very simple, "if a boxer quits in several fights then he's a quitter to me"...

I didn't call Cotto a quitter but if Cotto quits again in a future fight then definitely I will label him a quitter for it's more than once already.

Bash me if you want but that's my criteria for a quitter.
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Let's just hope that in his next fight, if he is equally spent and beaten, he realises this point, and stands to get KO'd for all the fans.. For the critics who will DEFINETELY label him a quitter for avoiding brain damage TWICE...

I mean, avoiding brutal punishment once when you know your done, that's one thing.. But to avoid a violent demise twice when you know your legs will stay under you for more poundings to the head? Well that's just weak! That's just quitting buddy! Keep those legs under you, and keep your head in line for those punches you deserve... You stepped in there,,, you've been beaten,,, now take your punishment like a man.... You're hands can stay at your side, that's fine, just as long as your head stays up there.. Stand there like a man and let the other guy finish you..... That's what being a warrior is all about!!

I just think it's poor attitude,, and there is more that your missing in this case...

I understand where you're coming from in contrast to guys getting themselves KO'd very regularly, but you gotta look at the specifics. And the specifics of Cotto's next fight, and the fight after that.... I can't can't beleive it's as easy as saying "If Cotto loses a fight without actually being knocked out, in more then a few fights, then that would make him a quitter"... I think it's a poor attitude rather than poor opinion..

[XaduBoxer]

So a fighter who has absorbed punishment for 11 rounds, has had his nose broken, is bloodied, has nothing left in the tank, and can no longer defend himself should continue standing till he is spectacularly KTFO'ed. And then he's a warrior and not a quitter.

I see. I'm sure Deuk Koo Kim's family would be heartened to know he fit the definition of a warrior and not a quitter.

This is my last post on this subject. My criteria is very simple, "if a boxer quits in several fights then he's a quitter to me"...

I didn't call Cotto a quitter but if Cotto quits again in a future fight then definitely I will label him a quitter for it's more than once already.

Bash me if you want but that's my criteria for a quitter.
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Let's just hope that in his next fight, if he is equally spent and beaten, he realises this point, and stands to get KO'd for all the fans.. For the critics who will DEFINETELY label him a quitter for avoiding brain damage TWICE...

I mean, avoiding brutal punishment once when you know your done, that's one thing.. But to avoid a violent demise twice when you know your legs will stay under you for more poundings to the head? Well that's just weak! That's just quitting buddy! Keep those legs under you, and keep your head in line for those punches you deserve... You stepped in there,,, you've been beaten,,, now take your punishment like a man.... You're hands can stay at your side, that's fine, just as long as your head stays up there.. Stand there like a man and let the other guy finish you..... That's what being a warrior is all about!!

I just think it's poor attitude,, and there is more that your missing in this case...

I understand where you're coming from in contrast to guys getting themselves KO'd very regularly, but you gotta look at the specifics. And the specifics of Cotto's next fight, and the fight after that.... I can't can't beleive it's as easy as saying "If Cotto loses a fight without actually being knocked out, in more then a few fights, then that would make him a quitter"... I think it's a poor attitude rather than poor opinion..

In the scenario you're presenting, the referee is there to stop the fight in order to save the boxer who cannot defend himself anymore...

(Why can't I just quit posting... I'm confused... )