Should Pacquaio get credit for beating Cotto at 145

[Dr. Steelhammer]

Cotto is slowing down drastically. His last 3 fights will prove that. Pac will spin him around all night and destroy slowly until Cotto's legs gives up. Pac by 10th.

[Cortez The Killer]

so, haven't read any of the other responses, but..

A year ago matching Cotto and Pacquiao would have been seen as a huge mistach for Cotto's benefit.

It's weird now. A couple weeks back I was reading on the Cotto forum and the posters there were saying Arum wanted Cotto to be a sacrificial lamb for Pacquiao. Whaaaaa?

If Pacman and Cotto ever meet, then Pac should get amazing credit for defeating Cotto if that is the outcome.

It's a big deal.

[KKisser]

i think people are giving pac way too much credit for the de la hoya and hatton wins. if those fights didn't happen i'm sure they'd be saying cotto will destroy pac even at 140lbs. lol

[Dr. Steelhammer]

At 28? Hell no. Cotto is nowhere near someone's sacrificial lamb. He still so many things ahead of him if he gets pass Pac. But I can almost guarantee though, that Cotto will be the underdog in this fight.

[mad_takamura]

Everything to do with Pac should be on that other forum theyve had to make on here to keep the idiots away from discusiing boxing with real boxing fans

it just puzzles me why posers like you who calls other posters "idiots" and don't have a decent boxing analysis or opinion gets a positive rep! if you don't wanna see the name 'pac' then don't go to a thread with the name 'pac'.

[The Congressman]

It's pretty obvious GAME hates Pac cuz he's still sourgraping from the defeats that Pac gave to his boy Barrera.

[Steelie]

A win over Cotto at any weight deserves mucho respect.

[GAME]

It's pretty obvious GAME hates Pac cuz he's still sourgraping from the defeats that Pac gave to his boy Barrera.

Wow he beat a washed up Barrera and washed up Morales and washed up Oscar . Has Pac ever met a prime fighter? He talks of fighting Cotto but wants him to starve himself first . The only two prime guys he fought he got knocked out by . Fact

it just puzzles me why posers like you who calls other posters "idiots" and don't have a decent boxing analysis or opinion gets a positive rep! if you don't wanna see the name 'pac' then don't go to a thread with the name 'pac'

Thats my point that you lot should stick to your own forum and people who wana talk boxing should post on these boards. Why do you think that new forum has been made? Cuz you guys ruin every thread wherever you go.

[Rantcatrat]

I'm fed up of hearing it. Fight Cotto at 147, then no one can say shit!

Actually no. If Pacman fights him at 147 and if he beats Cotto, myself and other people will say that Pacman beat a declining Cotto that never recovered from Margarito.

if marquez beats mayweather at 144, should anyone give him credit?

of course, there is no chance whatsoever of that happening, but the same logic should apply.

[Rantcatrat]

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Wow he beat a washed up Barrera and washed up Morales and washed up Oscar . Has Pac ever met a prime fighter? He talks of fighting Cotto but wants him to starve himself first . The only two prime guys he fought he got knocked out by . Fact

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Marquez.

Hatton was pretty much in his prime. Prior to Pac, his only loss was against PBF, p4p #1, and before that he beat a string of top junior welterweights. Hatton was universally acknowledged as #1 at junior welterweight. He had never lost a match at that weight and fought pretty much all-comers.

i like lumpia and chicken adobo as much as the next guy, but I'm by no means a pac groupie.

[Rantcatrat]

i think people are giving pac way too much credit for the de la hoya and hatton wins. if those fights didn't happen i'm sure they'd be saying cotto will destroy pac even at 140lbs. lol

not after the beating Cotto took from Margarito. prior to that beating, yes, i would agree.

in addition, absolutely destroying Hatton in basically one round at 140 - where he never had lost a fight before - is quite an accomplishment. and that knockout was easily a candidate for the knockout of the year.

after seeing odlh drained for the fight, there is a point in what you say, but remember prior to the fight, pac was the heavy underdog. many boxing fans, including myself, criticized odlh for fighting the much smaller pacman, and avoiding margarito and other fighters more his size. boy were we wrong.

[GAME]

Marquez.

Hatton was pretty much in his prime. Prior to Pac, his only loss was against PBF, p4p #1, and before that he beat a string of top junior welterweights. Hatton was universally acknowledged as #1 at junior welterweight. He had never lost a match at that weight and fought pretty much all-comers.

And I'm not a Pac groupie by any means.

Hatton was hardly in his prime. Colin Hart reckons he has steadily been in decline since the beat Tszyu. Since the KO loss to Floyd Hatton struggled badly with a washed up Lazcano and was hurt in that fight . Proof enough he shoudl have retired way back then but he went on regardless like too many fighters do. For Pacfans to suggest that Hatton was in his prime post the Lazcano fight and Floyd KO loss is just laughable. Its like me saying Pac was in his prime when he got beat by Torrencampo.

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez.

Hatton was pretty much in his prime. Prior to Pac, his only loss was against PBF, p4p #1, and before that he beat a string of top junior welterweights. Hatton was universally acknowledged as #1 at junior welterweight. He had never lost a match at that weight and fought pretty much all-comers.

And I'm not a Pac groupie by any means.

Hatton was hardly in his prime. Colin Hart reckons he has steadily been in decline since the beat Tszyu. Since the KO loss to Floyd Hatton struggled badly with a washed up Lazcano and was hurt in that fight . Proof enough he shoudl have retired way back then but he went on regardless like too many fighters do. For Pacfans to suggest that Hatton was in his prime post the Lazcano fight and Floyd KO loss is just laughable. Its like me saying Pac was in his prime when he got beat by Torrencampo.

Woah there hater. I thought I specifically said I wasn't a Pacman groupie. Don't include me in that group, Por Favor.

Either you are confusing peak with prime or, in addition to Pac, you have contempt for Hatton and his accomplishments too.

Hatton reached his zenith with his win over Tszyu because he never gave a better performance, but he was still in solid fighting shape when he fought Pacquiao. Maybe slightly passed his prime, but not significantly passed it as you seem to suggest. Recall that Hatton was 25 when he fought Tszyu. After Tszyu, Hatton beat Maussa, Urango, Collazo, and Castillo. Needless to say, Urango and Collazo have gone on to solid fights against the world's best at or around that weight class. How many other junior welterweights could put together that string of victories like Hatton? He wasn't universally regarded as #1 in that weight class for no reason. Sure he looked rusty when he fought Lazcano, but it makes sense because he was coming off his first ever knock out, let alone defeat. Most fighters do.

[Rantcatrat]

What I meant was that being in your prime isn't for just one fight. The Tszyu fight was definitely Hatton's greatest win, but he had many good ones afterward while he was still in his prime.

[GAME]

. . . hang on there loser. Hatton hasnt looked good in years. Paulie was a guy who had zero punch power so if we remove that non event from the list then he has shown that he peaked years ago.

If you want to make that out to be a great win then go ahead but it depends how much you rate Hatton. Ive never thought much of him but I dont think as much of Pac as the Filipinos do either.