Cotto-Pac - Who wins? Fact.

[Pacdbest2]

Took a while for me to decide whos goin to win. I mean my heart is with Cotto but i couldnt make up my mind until today an i say Cotto wins by stoppage on the 8th.

I pick mine about 1 1/2 year ago when Pac was still at SFW.

06-17-2008, 03:33 AM #33
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Re: Lets say Pacman vs Cotto 2009
If Pac KOs Hatton and beat DLH, that tells you that Pac can carry his power and Sturdy enough for Cotto. Maybe Arum will be crazy enough to make this fight.

Offence wise Pac can handle Cotto. Pac has longer arms and a much faster guy. Power right now belongs to Cotto but we still have to see the stronger Pac at 135-147. Pac vs Diaz, Hatton/DLH will answer that.

Now we knew how strong Pac is at 140-142, For this fight Pac will be at the heaviest at 145. That means extra power. Roach already revealed what M1P1 virus means, Pac's Middleweight Power. I see another Pac Domination in action Pack fight. Pac by rd 8 TKO.

Did I said Domination again!!!

Only Floyd left!!!!

[superheavyrhun]

My main demand if I'm getting out of bed at 3am to watch this is that it isn't an absolute snoozer....I've got great respect for both of the fighters, and I really hope they put on a spectacle that will be the career pinnacle for the winner and a noble defeat for the beaten man.

I think, as I have before if I'm honest that Pacquiao isn't big enough to compete strength-wise with the bigger man of Cotto, and that Cotto will land the more telling punches. But I was wrong before and I won't begrudge the Pacman if I'm wrong again!

[hfahrenheit]

Cotto has shown he can deal with speed in a few of his previous fights, Mosely comes to mind...

I'll take Cotto on the cards in what should be a UD but because it's Manny will be a split decision in favor of Cotto.

[fan johnny]

Cotto has shown he can deal with speed in a few of his previous fights, Mosely comes to mind...

I'll take Cotto on the cards in what should be a UD but because it's Manny will be a split decision in favor of Cotto.

If the fight goes the distance, Pacquiao has the advantage, Faster movement, volume of punches and greater stamina. Mosley is not that fast and lacks the stamina.

[Pugilistic]

Cotto has shown he can deal with speed in a few of his previous fights, Mosely comes to mind...

I'll take Cotto on the cards in what should be a UD but because it's Manny will be a split decision in favor of Cotto.

If the fight goes the distance, Pacquiao has the advantage, Faster movement, volume of punches and greater stamina. Mosley is not that fast and lacks the stamina.

Are you kidding ?

I do agree with the unbolded part though.

[fan johnny]

Cotto has shown he can deal with speed in a few of his previous fights, Mosely comes to mind...

I'll take Cotto on the cards in what should be a UD but because it's Manny will be a split decision in favor of Cotto.

If the fight goes the distance, Pacquiao has the advantage, Faster movement, volume of punches and greater stamina. Mosley is not that fast and lacks the stamina.

Are you kidding ?

I do agree with the unbolded part though.

I should have inserted "anymore". No I'm not kidding, At 39, he's lost some of that speed and stamina you can really see against Margarito.

[Rican]

Cotto has shown he can deal with speed in a few of his previous fights, Mosely comes to mind...

I'll take Cotto on the cards in what should be a UD but because it's Manny will be a split decision in favor of Cotto.

I will pick Cotto, but of course I admit a little bias. But I was just thinking of the Mosley fight and I saw a lot there that gives me confidence that Cotto will beat Manny.

1. Mosley neutralized Cotto's left hook to the body by simply holding his left during clinches. Cotto adapted, as he does very well, and boxed Mosley more. The jab was on point and Mosley was very confused throughout the fight (look at his face in between rounds). Even when Mosley came on in the late rounds, Cotto boxed superbly.

2. Mosley's comments at the end of the fight say it all. He said of Cotto: "he's a pretty good boxer too."

3. Basically, if Cotto comes out in a controlled manner, like he did against Clottey in the last fight, and establishes the jab first and everything else second, I don't see how he can lose.

[Aircow]

Manny's speed will the deciding factor.....I think. With these two class acts it's very hard to choose who has the edge, my guess is Pacman by SD.

It's going to be a great fight no matter who wins.

[J_Undisputed]

The saying goes "a good bigger man, always beats a great smaller man" , Which is why I voted for Pacquaio. I don't see Cotto as a good fighter, regardless of weight. I think this fight is Pacquaio's to lose. Looking at both fighters:

Cotto- He's slow and rather mechanical. His assertion that his hands are as fast as Pacquiao's, is a bit of over assumption on his part. Whats more he's open for an uppercut right up the middle... all day, every day. His playing coy with the media as far as not letting anyone see his training is rather pointless. He's been the same fight to fight. If his team said the plan was to walk Manny down or pressure him and break him down, i'd be impressed. The fact that he's said on numerous occasions, "that theyre ready for anything that Pacquaio brings, plays into the assumption of Roach that Cotto is looking to counter punch. I don't think Cottos ready for the pace that he will allow Manny to set. His power is there..but his coach being a gloried Go-for... I think his application is going to suffer with the lateral movement and the volume of punches being thrown by Pacquaio. He'll have a heard time getting his feet set and sitting down on his heavier shots.

Pacquaio - Despite being reinvented as a Boxing Messiah, Manny was still a limited fighter before and is overshooting his potential. He follows instructions well, very well but he can still be out thought. That being said, the transformation he's made as a fighter still says a lot about his potential and his understanding of the game. The dissention in his camp this time doesn't speak well for a group that appeared so tight before, and he does seemed to have been wearing himself thin between nationalism, politics, media appearences, Karaoke, and fighting. That would make him ripe for the picking. The difference maker here being Roach. I don't think that Roach is above faking injuries, if he truly needed more time to get Manny focused and ready. Quick southpaws have a way of making Cottos head spin, even at a relaxed pace. Double or triple the pace, add some angles and good lateral movement, and stack it on top of the spirit of a guy who doesn't mind getting hit and has experience fighting bigger opponents... and I find the odds stacked in Mannys favor.
Now I will say there is is an odd feeling that somethings not right about Pacquaio this time around, and I could see him making the biggest mistake he could make... I still think that if there was a major reason to think Pacquaio couldn't be close to his best, there would some kind of stalling or nickel and diming going on at the last minute to secure another advantage. Manny even just close to his best is still better than Cotto.If Pacquaio has strict orders to stay off the ropes, it could be a hard night for Cotto. Just my opinion.

[CutMeMick]

I want Cotto to win and I'm rooting for him.
But I think Pac will prevail in the end.


For those who know me long enough know I've been promoting and defending Cotto for as long and before I arrived at Saddos.
Saw the kid grow and have been a huge fan since he was on single digit fights. Got nothing but love for the guy but you guys know I keep it real and I don't let my "fanboyism" blind me...

The only way I see Cotto wining this fight is IF he keeps it in the middle of the ring where he can box and use his IMO better boxing skills. As we've seen he is virtually unbeatable when he boxes in the middle. His jab works wonders for him and once he get's the right hand going it's all forward for him.

Thing is I don't think Cotto will be able to stay off the ropes for 12 full rounds with the type of pressure Pac brings. Which is Cottos biggest problem fighting with his back on the ropes and covering up. Pac's pressure I feel will drive him to the ropes where Pac will go to work and cut open Cotto. I def. see Cotto cutting open before the 5th rd.

[rjj tszyu]

I want Cotto to win and I'm rooting for him.
But I think Pac will prevail in the end.


For those who know me long enough know I've been promoting and defending Cotto for as long and before I arrived at Saddos.
Saw the kid grow and have been a huge fan since he was on single digit fights. Got nothing but love for the guy but you guys know I keep it real and I don't let my "fanboyism" blind me...

The only way I see Cotto wining this fight is IF he keeps it in the middle of the ring where he can box and use his IMO better boxing skills. As we've seen he is virtually unbeatable when he boxes in the middle. His jab works wonders for him and once he get's the right hand going it's all forward for him.

Thing is I don't think Cotto will be able to stay off the ropes for 12 full rounds with the type of pressure Pac brings. Which is Cottos biggest problem fighting with his back on the ropes and covering up. Pac's pressure I feel will drive him to the ropes where Pac will go to work and cut open Cotto. I def. see Cotto cutting open before the 5th rd.

Personally I think this fight will be decided on Pacs ability to counter Cotto. If Cotto can mix it up and keep Pac guessing (unlike Hatton with his telegraphed left hooks) and work primarily his jab but fire hooks to the head and body and cover up, I think he wins, but I see Pac having the speed and timing on Cotto and countering effectively whether it be on the ropes or in the middle of the ring. Don't get me wrong I don't expect a a De La Hoya type destruction, in fact far from it but I do see Pac taking a quite close but clear UD.

[markb018]

I am going with Pac, I am not a diehard fan of each so whoever wins is fine by me as long as its a good fight. That being said...I thought Cotto looked not so good against Clottey, I thought Cotto did win the fight, but only cause Clottey gave up and decided he should give Broadway a shot mid fight, then again Cotto did have a very nasty cut which he fought through in which he gets full credit for not giving up. I don't think he will knockdown Cotto, I mean if Margarito couldn't lay him out, a large welterweight with plaster, I find it hard to believe Manny will.

My original feelings were for Pac TKO victory due to cuts. I don't think that cut has had long enough to heal. Pac will slice and dice his face all night. I am sticking with my gut, but again I don't care who wins.

If Cotto can work his jab I think it is going to be a long night for Pac...but I don't think it will happen. BEYOND FACT OR FICTION (you decide)

[mickeyluvsu]

i dont know where to begin. i'm seriously shakin while typing and ponderin on what a supreme match-up this will be. i've been trying to figure out both scenarios for the two but this is just mind bogglin.

Here it goes....
Hands down Cotto gets the W. I love Pac but as much i love to see this guy does wut he does, he will get the L. I pray and hope i'm wrong because Pac is just one of those boxers that excites the minds out of everyone. what he's accomplished in his lifetime is astounding. 30 yrs of age and in his prime...WOW!!!! After Cottos lost to Marga i knew he was damaged goods. Mere fact that the punishment he took was not normal. Then the Clottey fight. He looked decent but was getting hit with some good shots from him and i know that the cut bothered him and presevered. IMO he lost the fight. It was in MSG his home town, had the fight been somewhere else he would have lost. See here's the thing....Cotto is gonna show that it takes awhile to really get a chance to show what he really is made of and that is Saturday night. Cotto is the bigger fighter and because of that and his eagerness to prove to himself not to others but to himself that he is the CHAMPION thats exactly what he is going to show. Body shots are gonna wear Pac and a body shot is gonna drop him come the 9th round. That is my take...IMO.....PEACE!!!

[Tysonbruno]

Cotto KO/TKO

[Galaxy]

Geez, this is a close poll. I've been saying Cotto from the beginning & I'm sticking with that. Possible late stoppage!