Miguel Cotto on Sergio Martinez

**KKisser** · 10-04-2011 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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**ElTerribleMorales** · 10-04-2011 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

**Rantcatrat** · 10-04-2011 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

Here's the thing. Although I've read conflicting accounts of it, to Sampson Lefkowitz, and he's just a manager and clearly biased, but from what he says, Martinez just went up to middleweight to get bigger fights (pay days) and that in reality, he is a junior middleweight. If that's the case and there's more money at 154 fighting Cotto and Margarito than there is at 160, and the competition is better there, maybe it makes sense to drop back down to 154. If he makes weight safetly, then so be it. I don't see Mayweather/Cotto/Margarito as significantly smaller than Martinez at all. I actually see them all as around the same size. However, Darren Barker, Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik actually seemed significantly bigger than Martinez.

**ElTerribleMorales** · 10-05-2011 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

Here's the thing. Although I've read conflicting accounts of it, to Sampson Lefkowitz, and he's just a manager and clearly biased, but from what he says, Martinez just went up to middleweight to get bigger fights (pay days) and that in reality, he is a junior middleweight. If that's the case and there's more money at 154 fighting Cotto and Margarito than there is at 160, and the competition is better there, maybe it makes sense to drop back down to 154. If he makes weight safetly, then so be it. I don't see Mayweather/Cotto/Margarito as significantly smaller than Martinez at all. I actually see them all as around the same size. However, Darren Barker, Paul Williams and Kelly Pavlik actually seemed significantly bigger than Martinez.

and seeing how he took apart all 3 with relative ease neither of the aforementioned will dare to step in the ring with him

**KKisser** · 10-05-2011 03:32 PM

i'd like to see martinez with the winner of the cotto-margarito fight and i think they will try to make that especially if margarito wins. if cotto wins i doubt he will take on martinez coz he has safer options than facing the dangerous argentinian. sergio can still comfortably make 154lbs. i read him saying he's willing to go down to 150 to face pacquiao and i'm not so interested in seeing a possibly weight drained martinez against manny. it would be competitive at 154 but teampacquiao already said after the margarito fight that they wouldn't fight anymore heavier than 150 lbs. so, that leaves us with margarito. if he knocks out cotto again that would be a big fight doing a rematch with martinez.

**ElTerribleMorales** · 10-05-2011 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

i'd like to see martinez with the winner of the cotto-margarito fight and i think they will try to make that especially if margarito wins. if cotto wins i doubt he will take on martinez coz he has safer options than facing the dangerous argentinian. sergio can still comfortably make 154lbs. i read him saying he's willing to go down to 150 to face pacquiao and i'm not so interested in seeing a possibly weight drained martinez against manny. it would be competitive at 154 but teampacquiao already said after the margarito fight that they wouldn't fight anymore heavier than 150 lbs. so, that leaves us with margarito. if he knocks out cotto again that would be a big fight doing a rematch with martinez.

IMO Martinez sparks Margarito in under 4

**KKisser** · 10-05-2011 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

martinez's walking around weight i think is 175lbs and he usually fights at around 170 so i don't think he's overreaching that much if he wants to challenge himself at 170 against a guy like bernard hopkins.

pacquiao weighs in at around 145 while floyd weighs at the welterweight limit and both doesn't add much weight after at fight night so they ARE significantly smaller than martinez. you're analogy with jmm is also wrong. marquez is a natural 135lber and martinez is natural 160lber. it would only be like marquez going up to welterweight which he has done and is still now doing.

i agree martinez has done and is still doing enough to earn the respect of the fans but aggressively seeking a fight with pacquiao and mayweather isn't doing him any favor. martinez is a very talented fighter and he has the potential to be among the boxing greats if he would just challenge himself by looking to seek significant fights at the higher weights if he couldn't get one in his own division.

**Rantcatrat** · 10-05-2011 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

martinez's walking around weight i think is 175lbs and he usually fights at around 170 so i don't think he's overreaching that much if he wants to challenge himself at 170 against a guy like bernard hopkins.

pacquiao weighs in at around 145 while floyd weighs at the welterweight limit and both doesn't add much weight after at fight night so they ARE significantly smaller than martinez. you're analogy with jmm is also wrong. marquez is a natural 135lber and martinez is natural 160lber. it would only be like marquez going up to welterweight which he has done and is still now doing.

i agree martinez has done and is still doing enough to earn the respect of the fans but aggressively seeking a fight with pacquiao and mayweather isn't doing him any favor. martinez is a very talented fighter and he has the potential to be among the boxing greats if he would just challenge himself by looking to seek significant fights at the higher weights if he couldn't get one in his own division.

Kkisser - just a mild correction, he fights at 165 and doesn't have to do any dehydrating to make 160. Pacquiao fought Margarito who on fight night for their fight, weighed in at 164 pounds if I remember correctly. How much did Oscar weigh in for his fight with Mayweather? However, in my opinion, to prove he deserves Cotto fight, he should drop to 154 and face the top guy there at 154. He'd have a better argument if he was fighting at 154 now than if he was fighting at 160.

**ElTerribleMorales** · 10-05-2011 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

martinez's walking around weight i think is 175lbs and he usually fights at around 170 so i don't think he's overreaching that much if he wants to challenge himself at 170 against a guy like bernard hopkins.

pacquiao weighs in at around 145 while floyd weighs at the welterweight limit and both doesn't add much weight after at fight night so they ARE significantly smaller than martinez. you're analogy with jmm is also wrong. marquez is a natural 135lber and martinez is natural 160lber. it would only be like marquez going up to welterweight which he has done and is still now doing.

i agree martinez has done and is still doing enough to earn the respect of the fans but aggressively seeking a fight with pacquiao and mayweather isn't doing him any favor. martinez is a very talented fighter and he has the potential to be among the boxing greats if he would just challenge himself by looking to seek significant fights at the higher weights if he couldn't get one in his own division.

he fights at 160 and on fight night only weighed 165, so he's right at the weight he claimed to have as his walking around weight, have you seen him between fights the guy is in shape all year around, so i don't really think it would be wise for him to jump yup ten pounds to fight the much bigger Hopkins

Martinez isn't a natural middleweight, he's a natural Jr. Middleweight who is good enough to dominate the Middleweight division, so if he does fight at 165 against Bute, Ward, Froch, etc. he'll still be a Jr. Middleweight fighting the bigger guys, and you trying to play the Marquez bullshit well how did Marquez' only fight at 147 go? He was completely dominated and completely out of his element not due to lack of skill or talent but due to he was much smaller than Mayweather, same thing would apply to Sergio at 170

**KKisser** · 10-05-2011 04:52 PM

For the 30-day weigh-in prior to facing Dzinziruk, Sergio was at 173. On the HBO unofficial scales, Martinez was 170 against Dzinziruk.

Lou DiBella Claims Sergio Martinez Is Too Small for 168 - Bad Left Hook

**KKisser** · 10-05-2011 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

martinez's walking around weight i think is 175lbs and he usually fights at around 170 so i don't think he's overreaching that much if he wants to challenge himself at 170 against a guy like bernard hopkins.

pacquiao weighs in at around 145 while floyd weighs at the welterweight limit and both doesn't add much weight after at fight night so they ARE significantly smaller than martinez. you're analogy with jmm is also wrong. marquez is a natural 135lber and martinez is natural 160lber. it would only be like marquez going up to welterweight which he has done and is still now doing.

i agree martinez has done and is still doing enough to earn the respect of the fans but aggressively seeking a fight with pacquiao and mayweather isn't doing him any favor. martinez is a very talented fighter and he has the potential to be among the boxing greats if he would just challenge himself by looking to seek significant fights at the higher weights if he couldn't get one in his own division.

he fights at 160 and on fight night only weighed 165, so he's right at the weight he claimed to have as his walking around weight, have you seen him between fights the guy is in shape all year around, so i don't really think it would be wise for him to jump yup ten pounds to fight the much bigger Hopkins

Martinez isn't a natural middleweight, he's a natural Jr. Middleweight who is good enough to dominate the Middleweight division, so if he does fight at 165 against Bute, Ward, Froch, etc. he'll still be a Jr. Middleweight fighting the bigger guys, and you trying to play the Marquez bullshit well how did Marquez' only fight at 147 go? He was completely dominated and completely out of his element not due to lack of skill or talent but due to he was much smaller than Mayweather, same thing would apply to Sergio at 170

you were the one who brought up marquez, lol. i'm just correcting you on your analogy of liking marquez going up to super middleweight. and as far as his performance at 147 go, at least he's tried and is still trying in the higher weights for the big money fight instead of looking south of his division.

**ElTerribleMorales** · 10-05-2011 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

martinez's walking around weight i think is 175lbs and he usually fights at around 170 so i don't think he's overreaching that much if he wants to challenge himself at 170 against a guy like bernard hopkins.

pacquiao weighs in at around 145 while floyd weighs at the welterweight limit and both doesn't add much weight after at fight night so they ARE significantly smaller than martinez. you're analogy with jmm is also wrong. marquez is a natural 135lber and martinez is natural 160lber. it would only be like marquez going up to welterweight which he has done and is still now doing.

i agree martinez has done and is still doing enough to earn the respect of the fans but aggressively seeking a fight with pacquiao and mayweather isn't doing him any favor. martinez is a very talented fighter and he has the potential to be among the boxing greats if he would just challenge himself by looking to seek significant fights at the higher weights if he couldn't get one in his own division.

he fights at 160 and on fight night only weighed 165, so he's right at the weight he claimed to have as his walking around weight, have you seen him between fights the guy is in shape all year around, so i don't really think it would be wise for him to jump yup ten pounds to fight the much bigger Hopkins

Martinez isn't a natural middleweight, he's a natural Jr. Middleweight who is good enough to dominate the Middleweight division, so if he does fight at 165 against Bute, Ward, Froch, etc. he'll still be a Jr. Middleweight fighting the bigger guys, and you trying to play the Marquez bullshit well how did Marquez' only fight at 147 go? He was completely dominated and completely out of his element not due to lack of skill or talent but due to he was much smaller than Mayweather, same thing would apply to Sergio at 170

you were the one who brought up marquez, lol. i'm just correcting you on your analogy of liking marquez going up to super middleweight. and as far as his performance at 147 go, at least he's tried and is still trying in the higher weights for the big money fight instead of looking south of his division.

Martinez is looking at both, he's called out EVERYONE FROM 150 TO 165, and you're bashing him for looking for anyone south of his division, Pacquiao holds a title at 147 and is set to fight the Lightweight champion of the world, doing the same exact thing that his counterpart (Mayweather) was bashed for doing, the thing is with you it's always a double standard

**KKisser** · 10-05-2011 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by KKisser

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

as for KKisser, umm you're judging Martinez for wanting catchweight fights when he's the one going down in weight and giving up that advantage, the only other fighter to ever call for catchweights in nearly everyone of his fights since moving up to welter has been Pacquiao, kinda hard not to mention him when he's the only fighter who is CONSTANTLY asking for them, Martinez is willing to shed 10 lbs. and he's damn well near 40 yrs old, and yet still everyone in his division (Sturm, Pirog, and everyone else at 160) is running scared from him, as well as most guys at 154 for example Cintron and Angulo, so you can't blame the guy for wanting a crack at 3 of the biggest names to have fought at 154 in the last 5 yrs being Cotto, Pacquiao, and Mayweather especially when he's willing to be the guy to give up his size advantage to fight all 3

who says i blame him? all i'm saying is if he wants to get any respect he should pick on fighters his own size or consider looking north of his division when calling them out, and that's when i mentioned hopkins which would also be a big money fight and would give him mad respect. maybe you haven't been seeing how much flack martinez's been getting from the media and the comment sections for calling out the significantly smaller guys for obviously just the financial reward that comes with it. he should call out fighters his own size or even bigger like what pacquiao did, or even mayweather when he was moving up in weight so as not get criticized that's all i'm sayin.

i don't like catchweights as well and especially if its for a title belt. i give manny a pass on the de la hoya fight where he's the underdog coz oscar only had to go down 1 division lower where manny had to go up 2, not to mention pacman has only fought at that time at 135lbs just once. so it's basically almost like going up 3 weight divisions higher. the cotto fight really should have been at full welterweight limit. the margarito fight was a sham title match but margarito wasn't at any disadvantage with the 150lb catchweight, and i think you'd agree pacquiao was actually the one at a disadvantage there weightwise. with the upcoming jmm fight i believe most true boxing fans would even prefer a lower catchweight than the 144lb they have for it, but it being a welterweight world title fight i don't even hear anybody complaining that it shouldn't be at a catchweight. so get it straight, me being a pacquiao fan doesn't make me a blind follower, and bringing up pacquiao in my earlier post doesn't really have any merit.

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Martinez is 35 yrs old, and has called out everyone from 150 to 165, he knows his limitations and said himself that he wouldn't be able to make 170, him jumping up in weight isn't at all the same thing that Manny did because he was already a grown man when he started to learn to box, unlike Pacquiao who was still growing at the age of 16, asking Martinez to jump to 170 is like asking JMM to go up to Jr Middleweight to fight Angulo, Martinez is fighting already at his natural body weight that's why he only gained 5 lbs from the weigh in to fight night

given how late he started to pick up the craft and how much he's accomplished already, the guy has done enough 3 times over to have earned the respect of fight fans

martinez's walking around weight i think is 175lbs and he usually fights at around 170 so i don't think he's overreaching that much if he wants to challenge himself at 170 against a guy like bernard hopkins.

pacquiao weighs in at around 145 while floyd weighs at the welterweight limit and both doesn't add much weight after at fight night so they ARE significantly smaller than martinez. you're analogy with jmm is also wrong. marquez is a natural 135lber and martinez is natural 160lber. it would only be like marquez going up to welterweight which he has done and is still now doing.

i agree martinez has done and is still doing enough to earn the respect of the fans but aggressively seeking a fight with pacquiao and mayweather isn't doing him any favor. martinez is a very talented fighter and he has the potential to be among the boxing greats if he would just challenge himself by looking to seek significant fights at the higher weights if he couldn't get one in his own division.

he fights at 160 and on fight night only weighed 165, so he's right at the weight he claimed to have as his walking around weight, have you seen him between fights the guy is in shape all year around, so i don't really think it would be wise for him to jump yup ten pounds to fight the much bigger Hopkins

Martinez isn't a natural middleweight, he's a natural Jr. Middleweight who is good enough to dominate the Middleweight division, so if he does fight at 165 against Bute, Ward, Froch, etc. he'll still be a Jr. Middleweight fighting the bigger guys, and you trying to play the Marquez bullshit well how did Marquez' only fight at 147 go? He was completely dominated and completely out of his element not due to lack of skill or talent but due to he was much smaller than Mayweather, same thing would apply to Sergio at 170

you were the one who brought up marquez, lol. i'm just correcting you on your analogy of liking marquez going up to super middleweight. and as far as his performance at 147 go, at least he's tried and is still trying in the higher weights for the big money fight instead of looking south of his division.

Martinez is looking at both, he's called out EVERYONE FROM 150 TO 165, and you're bashing him for looking for anyone south of his division, Pacquiao holds a title at 147 and is set to fight the Lightweight champion of the world, doing the same exact thing that his counterpart (Mayweather) was bashed for doing, the thing is with you it's always a double standard

lol, don't play stupid, pacquiao is fighting jmm because they have a history. still pacquiao is getting some flack for it for fighting a supposedly smaller man even though in fact in most of their fights for the past several years they are only a couple of pounds apart come fight night. floyd didn't have any history with marquez and didn't even try to make weight and deservedly got bashed for it. so why shouldn't martinez get his fair share of criticism for calling out cotto, pacquiao and floyd, and even saying they're scared of him when he's so hesitant to do the same thing to face the guys at super middleweight?

**Rantcatrat** · 10-05-2011 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by KKisser

For the 30-day weigh-in prior to facing Dzinziruk, Sergio was at 173. On the HBO unofficial scales, Martinez was 170 against Dzinziruk.

Lou DiBella Claims Sergio Martinez Is Too Small for 168 - Bad Left Hook

Kkisser - well, in his most recent fight he weighed 165 on the night of.

Sergio Martinez Staying Put, Matthew Macklin Looking Likely for March - Bad Left Hook

Team Sergio Martinez: We'll Never Let Him Fight at 168! - Boxing News

You do realize that Ortiz weighed 161 on fight night when he fought Andre Berto at welterweight, right? Victor Ortiz wins unanimous decision over Andre Berto - boxing - ESPN

That's a welterweight basically weighing the same as as a middleweight but fighting at 147. Martinez would fight at 154 and proabbly come in at or around 160, which is average.

De La Hoya gained 10 pounds when he fought Mayweather at 154 so he went into the ring at 164. http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=3634701

I couldn't find stats on Darren Barker, but Pavlik rehydrated to 179 when he fought Sergio. That's likely a 14 pound difference in weight on fight night. http://www.boxingscene.com/kelly-pav...x-sturm--30940

**Rantcatrat** · 10-05-2011 08:59 PM