"Lyle has a right to be outraged" did you say?![]()
"Lyle has a right to be outraged" did you say?![]()
I had a feeling you'd react to that.Don't worry... it wasn't meant as a slight.
Us banana republic citizens have a least a little sense of right and wrong.
As a white male this means dick but I really don't think hate speech is as big of an issue as the media reports. I personally encounter much more overt racism from blacks than anyone else and remember my wife's family is from East Texas. That being said punishing (ostracizing is cool though) for unpopular speech/beliefs is a slippery slope. Believing in freedom and personal liberties unfortunately means putting up with a nation's lowest common denominator.
Most bad government has grown out of too much government. Thomas Jefferson
Everyone is supposed to enjoy equal protection under the law. These kind of laws protect different classes of people more so than others.
Let's go back to an earlier post of yours, where you make the point that being an emo is a choice. Unlike being black, Vietnamese, or a Jew. If you're a member of a hate group, and go out and lynch a person because he's any of the aforementioned, IMO you deserve a worse punishment than if you murder someone under other circumstances or for other motives.
Let's go back to something similar to an earlier GB post as well. Different scenarios:
- You kill someone you found in bed with your wife.
- You kill someone who cut in front of you on the freeway.
- You kill someone because you had a fight in a bar.
- You kill someone because he's black and you're a KKK or skinhead.
IMO, murderer # 4 deserves a worse punishment than 1-3. All victims are protected by law. But motive decides the severity of the punishment.
it seems unlikely that chavs would be a target of a hate crime, but if there is a groundswell of violent crimes and murders happening because they are of that social group...
Most of you are getting your knickers in a twist. No law is being changed, it is simply encouraging these victims of crime to report attacks against them. A crime is a crime.
Do not let success go to your head and do not let failure get to your heart.
Do you have Chav's in the US? I had assumed it was a UK thing, track suit wearing, toothless wasters.
Basically you cannot say anything mean about anyone. You can think what you like, but if you say it outloud then you offend someone. That then makes you racist, gayist, gingerist, chavist, heightist and so on. Some people are just wankers, always will be. If that wasn't a taboo and likely to be offensive, they would just say something else offensive. There should be a law against cunts, a panel decides and if you are generally a cunt to people, you'll get dealt with.
Killing someone on purpose is murder, full stop. Doesn't really matter if you did it because what they look like or if it was because you had a dodgy Big Mac for lunch. Either way, it's a cuntish thing to do, no better or worse than each other.
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