Ward !

[Dia bando]

What do I WANT,!!! I want to be entertained thats what perhaps you may think I have
no taste, but I can't be wrong Ward can't draw fly's yes he wins.
I would rather watch Miles V Lyle, fighting at dawn with handbags.

How could Ward entertain you?

Over night he turned into Tommy Hearns.

[powerpuncher]

i still dont get the concept of wanting a fighter to change their style to entertain you. its called boxing. either you like it or you dont. thats like saying i like college football but only when i watch oregon and baylor because they put up a lot of points. anybody else is boring. that means that you dont actually like the sport which is fine but then i say dont come on a boxing message board and complain about it.

[Gandalf]

I am glad to see that my views are fairly common on this issue. People don't like Ward mainly because he is dull and cheats, and secondarily because he is inactive and won't travel anywhere. It is very hard to enjoy his fights. Until threatened with disqualification he was going to do that hold and wrestle shit all night long. It's no wonder he couldn't fill a barn.

I also think he fights how he does because he knows he is very chinny. It's his shield, but sooner rather than later someones gonna rock him hard, and he will disqualify himself through it as you won't get a second punch on him.

[Fenster]

What do I WANT,!!! I want to be entertained thats what perhaps you may think I have
no taste, but I can't be wrong Ward can't draw fly's yes he wins.
I would rather watch Miles V Lyle, fighting at dawn with handbags.

But he has HBO backing so it's irrelevant. He just got $1.9 million for facing a "no-name." He is clearly doing something right. To put that into perspective, Golovkin-Stevens combined purse was $675,000.

[terrorsid]

Ward Rigondeaux and Mayweather just gets the shit end of the stick no matter what. People are gonna treat the Golovkin vs Ward as if Golovkin would just blast through him. What a way to treat people in the Olympics!!! Ward is a great if you think he's boring watch UFC they fight like wild dogs. People want Gatti Ward type fights but there is something called Boxing Masters and that's what Ward practices to be. Sure you can say he's boring at times but he's focused and the Champ and you cannot take that away.

[Rantcatrat]

With regard to the comparisons with Mayweather's record, as I said earlier in the thread, Ward has arguably beat better competition than Mayweather has over the last few years. I don't think Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo are as tough a schedule as Kessler, Froch, Bika, Dawson, and Rodiguez. Kessler and Froch were lower end p4p guys and Bika was tough at that stage of his career. Now, you may say Mayweather has done it with more style, but his competition hasn't been as high in my opinion.

Whos to say floyds opponents wouldnt beat ward opponents in a same weight fantasy island world.

Shall we say ward opponents are better than RJ opponents during his reign?

Who else shall we bring up?
How about the undefeated calzaghes opponents?!

Ward is a class act and well deserving of the p4p no.2 position.

He has a different style thats not great to watch but he has the X FACTOR as he keeps winning.

And thats all that counts.

As boxing fans, aren't we constantly debating legacies of different fighters? It's part of the fun! What is pound for pound if not fantasy? We don't know how Floyd would do against Klitschko's style if weight was irrelevant, but that doesn't mean we can't debate it. It also doesn't sound like you are disagreeing with me.

In any event, I'm not debating Mayweather should be p4p No. 1 right now, but if Ward keeps fighting tough opponents, he'll start itching closer to that spot. For example, if he cleaned out 175, he might take over the p4p number 1 spot.

The main problem I have with Ward is his lack of stance on the PED issue. He's throwing the same arguments Pacquiao threw out when Mayweather wanted PED testing for their fight. I'm surprised people are jumping on him as much as they did Pacquiao.

[Rantcatrat]

Ward Rigondeaux and Mayweather just gets the shit end of the stick no matter what. People are gonna treat the Golovkin vs Ward as if Golovkin would just blast through him. What a way to treat people in the Olympics!!! Ward is a great if you think he's boring watch UFC they fight like wild dogs. People want Gatti Ward type fights but there is something called Boxing Masters and that's what Ward practices to be. Sure you can say he's boring at times but he's focused and the Champ and you cannot take that away.

Here's the thing. Boxing is about styles. One style isn't for everyone. Some people liked Hagler; others liked Sugar Ray; still, others liked Duran. It doesn't make one better than the other. The great thing about boxing is that aspect hasn't changed over the last one hundred years. I can't speak for you though, but I'm a fan of all styles.

For the record, NO ONE I've read about has picked GGG over Ward. Frankly, GGG has a lot of unfinished business at middleweight. Let him do his thing there before talking about moving up in weight.

[Kirkland Laing]

Wards not a fighter at heart. A technician yes, a boxer yes, not not a fighter. It shows in his words, his style and to his dismay, his paycheck. To address a few points already made in this thread...

Mayweather and his flamboyancy aren't ruining it for ward.Ward is ruining it for ward. Floyd fights oversized guys at the top of their division and nullifies them with skill, reflexes and some head games and recently catch weights. Roy jones was a safety first fighter too that did also took on bigger guys. To see a guy who is so far skilled above their competition, that they can afford some eccentric behavior will draw viewers. To see a guy like ward, who was still light years above the flailing rodriguez, still have to resort to holding and arm bars is less than impressive. Its a byproduct of how he fights but it doesn't win him any style points.

I found it rather funny that the fight was so sloppy in the first few rounds, that the ref decided to make it the Jack reiss show. Personally, rodriguez going crazy on ward and the ref was one of the few things that kept me awake. Ward was in control and was landing more cleanly and impressively after Rodriguez further stopped giving a crap about winning or even fighting.

As for ward needing someone fresh and dangerous. Its true, bit the prerequisite is that they not be stronger and bigger than ward as that hurts his chances of success on the inside and tying his opponents up. Ward looked a lot better later in the fight when rodriguez's energy and hopes dropped and rodriguez wasn't as wild on the inside. Ward's still feels its everyone else that has to make concessions.. come to his weight, fight for his belts, wait till he suggests drug testing etc. He's believing his own hype at this point. His aspirations to fight a lesser skilled, bloated and almost sure to be weight drained chavez is ward picking the easiest fight for the biggest money and is pretty transparent. His "exit strategy" will be the same despite the fact that half of the boxing fans not believing he's actually arrived yet.

This post is excellent apart from criticism of the ref. If he hadn't did what he did then a seriously ugly fight could have got even worse and maybe unmanageable. He did grandstand when he deducted the points but he'd just taken a glancing left hook and he said he took his time so he could clear his head and get his bearings back. I've got no reason to disbelieve him, they do say it's the punches you don't see coming that are the ones that get you and he definitely wasn't expecting to take that left hook.

[Dia bando]

i still dont get the concept of wanting a fighter to change their style to entertain you. its called boxing. either you like it or you dont. thats like saying i like college football but only when i watch oregon and baylor because they put up a lot of points. anybody else is boring. that means that you dont actually like the sport which is fine but then i say dont come on a boxing message board and complain about it.

Complain about Ward, remember this sport we watch is called Professional boxing, when I go
to live boxing I expect some entertainment, there is a saying one mans crap is a other mans
gold.!!!, the fighters you like is to your individual taste.

The thing is this is my opinion, other people have there's I've seen plenty of crap bout of boxing,
your on the wrong wave length, thinking I don't like the sport.

[powerpuncher]

i still dont get the concept of wanting a fighter to change their style to entertain you. its called boxing. either you like it or you dont. thats like saying i like college football but only when i watch oregon and baylor because they put up a lot of points. anybody else is boring. that means that you dont actually like the sport which is fine but then i say dont come on a boxing message board and complain about it.

Complain about Ward, remember this sport we watch is called Professional boxing, when I go
to live boxing I expect some entertainment, there is a saying one mans crap is a other mans
gold.!!!, the fighters you like is to your individual taste.

The thing is this is my opinion, other people have there's I've seen plenty of crap bout of boxing,
your on the wrong wave length, thinking I don't like the sport.

im saying that you seem like a casual fan of the sport. like i said, if somebody so good who always wins with ease isnt good enough for you then i dont know what to tell you. because i love boxing, i appreciate all styles as long as the fighters who use that style are good. i can obviously say that some fighters are boring because they are C class fighters but when it comes to an A class fighter, i never think that they are boring.

[ross]

Ward Rigondeaux and Mayweather just gets the shit end of the stick no matter what. People are gonna treat the Golovkin vs Ward as if Golovkin would just blast through him. What a way to treat people in the Olympics!!! Ward is a great if you think he's boring watch UFC they fight like wild dogs. People want Gatti Ward type fights but there is something called Boxing Masters and that's what Ward practices to be. Sure you can say he's boring at times but he's focused and the Champ and you cannot take that away.

I like watching Mayweather and his fights arent paticularly exciting. His last opponent was in the weight above and a unified champ. Mayweather moved up and fought him in his own weight and didnt either hold or butt and looked untouchable.

Ward is winning handily because he is let to get away using tactics that a decent fighter like Floyd doesnt need to use. If you suddenly took away any holding from Ward he would look like he did in the last couple of rounds against Bika.

[Dark Lord Al]

Ward Rigondeaux and Mayweather just gets the shit end of the stick no matter what. People are gonna treat the Golovkin vs Ward as if Golovkin would just blast through him. What a way to treat people in the Olympics!!! Ward is a great if you think he's boring watch UFC they fight like wild dogs. People want Gatti Ward type fights but there is something called Boxing Masters and that's what Ward practices to be. Sure you can say he's boring at times but he's focused and the Champ and you cannot take that away.

I like watching Mayweather and his fights arent paticularly exciting. His last opponent was in the weight above and a unified champ. Mayweather moved up and fought him in his own weight and didnt either hold or butt and looked untouchable.

Ward is winning handily because he is let to get away using tactics that a decent fighter like Floyd doesnt need to use. If you suddenly took away any holding from Ward he would look like he did in the last couple of rounds against Bika.

I agree. It would be insulting to put ward in the same breath as Floyd , Ward is very good , Floyd is just the best fighter out there period.

[Master]

That ref was brilliant otherwise that fight would have turned ugly. Wish he was at the Wlad fight.

[walrus]

That ref was brilliant otherwise that fight would have turned ugly. Wish he was at the Wlad fight.

You said it. We need more refs than that. That would have been an UGLY fight.

[Master]

That ref was brilliant otherwise that fight would have turned ugly. Wish he was at the Wlad fight.

You said it. We need more refs than that. That would have been an UGLY fight.

Commentators were having a go at him for taking too long and taking the limelight, but what he did had to be done. He also said he was punched so had to take a moment to get his head right. I like him, but can't remember if he has done other big fight.