Russia vs Ukraine..

[Kirkland Laing]

What do you think Obama should do?

Get NATO involved because although the Ukraine is NOT a member of NATO proper they ARE a member of the Euro-Atlantic Partnership Council which is tied to NATO. They don't need to shoot anyone or bomb anyone, just use their presence to halt Russia's movement and protect the citizens of Ukraine.


And hey, here's an idea....don't fucking draw a line in the sand if you never intend to back your words up with action, that would be nice to see for fucking once.

NATO don't want to get involved. Neither do America. They're not going to get involved militarily just like they didn't back in 2008 when Russia invaded South Ossetia. The only people advocating any kind of military involvement are a bunch of US politicians who are just taking part in US political theatre and don't really mean it and idiot US TV pundits who thought invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and always want other people to go and fight all over the world any time there's any kind of conflict. So apart from a bunch of bullshitters/proven idiots nobody wants the military to get involved.

Exactly what would you have NATO do anyway?

[Kirkland Laing]

Just one question. Why should I give a shit what happens in Russia? I'm having hard enough time feeding my family. They don't want to talk about that. It's look over here. Look what's happening in Russia while the people I work for pay no taxes and steal as much as they can.

It's amazing how a section of the US media can get such a significant chunk of the population to regularly wet the bed over nonexistent "threats" thousands of miles away.

duh because it affects oil/gas prices across europe which in turn has an affect on the US economy.

no where is self sufficient.

There's no military threat from Russia and the economic effects would be felt in Europe. Ant price increases in the US would be counteracted by higher US energy company profits.

Gas is really cheap in the US currently due to shale gas production. They're actually starting to export gas and oil again. Russia cutting gas supplies to western Europe creates exports opportunities for US shale gas companies and higher prices mean bigger profits for US energy companies and Wall Street.

[El Kabong]

NATO don't want to get involved. Neither do America. They're not going to get involved militarily just like they didn't back in 2008 when Russia invaded South Ossetia. The only people advocating any kind of military involvement are a bunch of US politicians who are just taking part in US political theatre and don't really mean it and idiot US TV pundits who thought invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and always want other people to go and fight all over the world any time there's any kind of conflict. So apart from a bunch of bullshitters/proven idiots nobody wants the military to get involved.

Exactly what would you have NATO do anyway?

Kirkland what part of invading Iraq was difficult? If you're talking about holding the nation that's one thing, but the actual invasion was one of the greatest showings of military might and technology the world has ever seen. The Coalition Forces didn't even lose 200 men taking over an entire country......AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. And it's not like the Iraqis didn't know we were coming either. But hey I'm no fool, I know better than to think you would ever give the United States and their Allies any credit at all because you're a bitter bitter man.

I'm not calling for a war with Russia, I'm calling for NATO to do their job regarding their Partnership for Peace alliance (of which Ukraine is a member). NATO is a dominant enough military force to where they don't need to send 100% of their forces in, just enough to have a presence on the ground ensure peace, supply aide (if needed), make sure citizens rights are upheld, and to keep Russia honest. If by happenstance NATO peacekeepers were to get fired on....THEN there would be an issue, a big one.

You bring up Georgia and South Ossetia seemingly without remembering the United States was in 2 wars at that time....which is no longer the case now.

You say "The Ukraine should break in two".....well Captain Happy that will do just fine to create MORE of a barrier between Europe and Russia and if you think that helps keep things peaceful and helps everyone get along you're dumber than I thought you were and that's saying something.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Just one question. Why should I give a shit what happens in Russia? I'm having hard enough time feeding my family. They don't want to talk about that. It's look over here. Look what's happening in Russia while the people I work for pay no taxes and steal as much as they can.

It's amazing how a section of the US media can get such a significant chunk of the population to regularly wet the bed over nonexistent "threats" thousands of miles away.

duh because it affects oil/gas prices across europe which in turn has an affect on the US economy.

no where is self sufficient.

There's no military threat from Russia and the economic effects would be felt in Europe. Ant price increases in the US would be counteracted by higher US energy company profits.

Gas is really cheap in the US currently due to shale gas production. They're actually starting to export gas and oil again. Russia cutting gas supplies to western Europe creates exports opportunities for US shale gas companies and higher prices mean bigger profits for US energy companies and Wall Street.

economies are intertwined and I can't be bothered to go in to it.

ya know, import/export

[smashup]

This was all predicted in Rocky 4.

Is it East versus West or man against man?

[El Kabong]

Dan Quayle misspells potato and everyone laughs their asses off for DECADES after he's out of office. This.....well if you make fun of it you're racist

[Beanz]

Even Russian born People are moving from the Crimea to Kiev because they fear the Russian troops will remove their freedom and have described Putin and the Russian government as corrupt and run by criminals. Curiously they have insisted that they have never felt threatened in Ukraine and that those believing they are have been manipulated by the propaganda on TV. Still I expect people living in Asia know more about the largest country in Europe than those inside its violated, sovereign borders.

[El Kabong]

Even Russian born People are moving from the Crimea to Kiev because they fear the Russian troops will remove their freedom and have described Putin and the Russian government as corrupt and run by criminals. Curiously they have insisted that they have never felt threatened in Ukraine and that those believing they are have been manipulated by the propaganda on TV. Still I expect people living in Asia know more about the largest country in Europe than those inside its violated, sovereign borders.

Putin knows Obama is a pussy. Putin is making Obama and John Kerry look weak and foolish.....see what happens when someone doesn't give a shit about race and you can't hide behind your lapdog media? Play that race card on Putin and he'll just laugh at you, draw a line in the sand and he'll laugh at you....Obama looks like the 90 pound weakling in the ads on the back of comic books and Putin is kicking sand in his face.

W was weak on Putin too don't get me wrong, but he wasn't "deny Poland missile defense system" weak like Obama.

The longer we wait to stand up to Putin the harder it will be to do so

[Kirkland Laing]

Just one question. Why should I give a shit what happens in Russia? I'm having hard enough time feeding my family. They don't want to talk about that. It's look over here. Look what's happening in Russia while the people I work for pay no taxes and steal as much as they can.

It's amazing how a section of the US media can get such a significant chunk of the population to regularly wet the bed over nonexistent "threats" thousands of miles away.

duh because it affects oil/gas prices across europe which in turn has an affect on the US economy.

no where is self sufficient.

There's no military threat from Russia and the economic effects would be felt in Europe. Ant price increases in the US would be counteracted by higher US energy company profits.

Gas is really cheap in the US currently due to shale gas production. They're actually starting to export gas and oil again. Russia cutting gas supplies to western Europe creates exports opportunities for US shale gas companies and higher prices mean bigger profits for US energy companies and Wall Street.

economies are intertwined and I can't be bothered to go in to it.

ya know, import/export

The more integrated that the economys are the less likely it is that Russia will cut energy supplies to the west.

[Kirkland Laing]

NATO don't want to get involved. Neither do America. They're not going to get involved militarily just like they didn't back in 2008 when Russia invaded South Ossetia. The only people advocating any kind of military involvement are a bunch of US politicians who are just taking part in US political theatre and don't really mean it and idiot US TV pundits who thought invading Iraq would be a cakewalk and always want other people to go and fight all over the world any time there's any kind of conflict. So apart from a bunch of bullshitters/proven idiots nobody wants the military to get involved.

Exactly what would you have NATO do anyway?

Kirkland what part of invading Iraq was difficult? If you're talking about holding the nation that's one thing, but the actual invasion was one of the greatest showings of military might and technology the world has ever seen. The Coalition Forces didn't even lose 200 men taking over an entire country......AN ENTIRE COUNTRY. And it's not like the Iraqis didn't know we were coming either. But hey I'm no fool, I know better than to think you would ever give the United States and their Allies any credit at all because you're a bitter bitter man.

I'm not calling for a war with Russia, I'm calling for NATO to do their job regarding their Partnership for Peace alliance (of which Ukraine is a member). NATO is a dominant enough military force to where they don't need to send 100% of their forces in, just enough to have a presence on the ground ensure peace, supply aide (if needed), make sure citizens rights are upheld, and to keep Russia honest. If by happenstance NATO peacekeepers were to get fired on....THEN there would be an issue, a big one.

You bring up Georgia and South Ossetia seemingly without remembering the United States was in 2 wars at that time....which is no longer the case now.

You say "The Ukraine should break in two".....well Captain Happy that will do just fine to create MORE of a barrier between Europe and Russia and if you think that helps keep things peaceful and helps everyone get along you're dumber than I thought you were and that's saying something.

There is one main highway through Iraq from Kuwait that goes to Baghdad.The amazing invasion plan was drive up the highway from Kuwait to Baghdad. Apart from some isolated incidents the Iraqis just let the Americans get on with it. Nobody ever siad that America couldn't easily take Iraq over, it was what happened once they did that that was the difficult bit.

So would you send NATO troops into the Crimean peninsula?

[El Kabong]

There is one main highway through Iraq from Kuwait that goes to Baghdad.The amazing invasion plan was drive up the highway from Kuwait to Baghdad. Apart from some isolated incidents the Iraqis just let the Americans get on with it. Nobody ever siad that America couldn't easily take Iraq over, it was what happened once they did that that was the difficult bit.

So would you send NATO troops into the Crimean peninsula?

#1 then that means it wouldn't be the "invasion" part that would be difficult then would it there Mr. Wordsmith? It would be the OCCUPATION that would be difficult and that was only difficult because of the small number of forces the Coalition Forces used AND the idiotic idea to oust 100% of everyone from Saddam down to the head dog catcher in bumfuck Iraq. We lost the stability of the status quo before rearranging things and that was the major issue...don't know how many times I have to go over that part but whatever.


#2 Yes, on a peace keeping mission. If the Russians are dumb enough to fire on NATO troops then well it would be time to set things right.


Listen I know Russia is feeling pretty fucking awesome at the moment due to their resurgent economy (based on oil production/drilling....kind of like what America COULD have if Obama wasn't such a fucking idiot) and they've had some little victories with their military as they've been unopposed by the "grown ups" of the world....but if the world doesn't hurry up and give Russia a reality check then the USSR is going to be back in a very big and very real way....and I'm certain YOU of all people will be wet your pants excited about your comrades getting their act together.

[El Kabong]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

[Violent Demise]

The problem with Obama is simple.

Obama: "Here's a red line, don't you dare step across it"

Putin: (steps over line) "What happens now?"


Obama: ___________________


It's that fucking simple. If I said "Stop it, or else" to a bully, and the bully kept being a bully with no repercussions then what the fuck do you think the bully is going to make of my next threats?

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

[El Kabong]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

[imp]

Bush would of pushed Putin over the line and said "that's it. we going to war"

No because W said he looked in Putin's soul and saw him as good, BUT W did have his history of following through with threats...I mean Saddam ain't talking much shit right now is he?

Saddam isnt putin.

No one wants it with russia.

For an american el kabong you seem to have a lot of support for that side of the world inc a certain boxer...nothing wrong with that, just an observation..