Happy thanksgiving.

[El Kabong]

It isn't pathetic. I have read books on this particular subject as it interests me and though illness played its role, the North American Indians had genocide carried out upon them by marauding invaders. The last book I read empahised the Spanish were much worse, but the chaps up North were doing their best to abuse and slaughter too. It was a shameful period in your history and you should be ashamed of yourself trying to use revisionism to justify it all.

You can read?!?!?!

Well read this Aztec Empire 300,000 men....Conquistadors 90–100 cavalry 900–1,300 infantry 6 guns......and helping those Conquistadors

Tlaxcala Indians with a force of 80,000-200,000 and the Cempoala Indians with an additional 400 strong.

And to answer the question:
"Why would Indians help destroy other Indians?"

Because they were tired of being slaughtered by the fucking Aztecs! And it was the exact same in the early United States.


Don't tell me to be ashamed, try peddling your white guilt horse shit elsewhere!

[Gandalf]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

[Beanz]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

That comes across as incredibly arrogant of you Miles. When did Lyle lecture you on the history of your wife's country? Have a little think about why, other than Lyle being American, you may be trying to teach your Granny to suck eggs.

[TitoFan]

Lyle....

I guess you have convinced me of the need for regime change everywhere. You have better technology, factions squabbled anyway, so you might as well just wipe 'em out. That diseased thinking has continued for 500 years.

Disease weakened the Indian tribes well before any Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock. So, instead of fighting off the Pilgrims, some tribes, weakened by disease, allied themselves with the Pilgrims. Now, tough shit for them, because of the diseases the Pilgrims carried further hurt the tribes allied with the white devils. When other tribes attacked, as Indian tribes were wont to do (whether you fucking like it or not) those tribes caught beat downs because they didn't have guns, the white devils did.


Now miles, I find your view of history to be naïve and condescending especially to Indians. Sure they did not have the technological advances the settlers had, but you act as though the Indians were docile imbeciles who had no sense of self preservation. It's very offensive intellectually because self preservation, just a simple survival instinct is the most basic trait in any life form and your view is that those groups of humans just didn't have that at all and this is why they were just mowed down like blades of grass by the horrible awful cause of everything evil ever in the history of the world, the white devil.

Fucking pathetic miles. I expect that kind of excrement from Brockton, but not you.

It isn't pathetic. I have read books on this particular subject as it interests me and though illness played its role, the North American Indians had genocide carried out upon them by marauding invaders. The last book I read empahised the Spanish were much worse, but the chaps up North were doing their best to abuse and slaughter too. It was a shameful period in your history and you should be ashamed of yourself trying to use revisionism to justify it all.

Ahh..... you may have read books. But Lyle's an American, so he's got the inside scoop.

[Gandalf]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

That comes across as incredibly arrogant of you Miles. When did Lyle lecture you on the history of your wife's country? Have a little think about why, other than Lyle being American, you may be trying to teach your Granny to suck eggs.

Fuck off. He just said I couldn't read. I have read and know the subject well. I will speak of what I know. Arrogance is presuming others cannot read, but you missed that.

Being a cock as always, our Beanz.

[El Kabong]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

So basically you're victim blaming the Tlaxcala and Cempoala because NEWSFLASH the Conquistadores alone didn't topple the Aztec Empire.....hate to be the one to break that to you miles, but it happened.


Yes some Indians died of diseases....now if you think the Europeans were sooooo far advanced that they knew of biological warfare well before anyone else that's I guess is fine, but I'm not buying it.

[Beanz]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

That comes across as incredibly arrogant of you Miles. When did Lyle lecture you on the history of your wife's country? Have a little think about why, other than Lyle being American, you may be trying to teach your Granny to suck eggs.

Fuck off. He just said I couldn't read. I have read and know the subject well. I will speak of what I know. Arrogance is presuming others cannot read, but you missed that.

Being a cock as always, our Beanz.

Not really if you took notice of anyone but yourself you might have noticed that Lyle revealed something recently that makes your accusation ridiculous.

[Gandalf]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

That comes across as incredibly arrogant of you Miles. When did Lyle lecture you on the history of your wife's country? Have a little think about why, other than Lyle being American, you may be trying to teach your Granny to suck eggs.

Fuck off. He just said I couldn't read. I have read and know the subject well. I will speak of what I know. Arrogance is presuming others cannot read, but you missed that.

Being a cock as always, our Beanz.

Not really if you took notice of anyone but yourself you might have noticed that Lyle revealed something recently that makes your accusation ridiculous.

That he is married to a native indian?

I don't see how that repeals history.

[Gandalf]

That makes no sense, but being British or American, how could you know any other way? I reject all of that and I know what is right. I will never defend a power control system for the sake of it.

[Beanz]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

That comes across as incredibly arrogant of you Miles. When did Lyle lecture you on the history of your wife's country? Have a little think about why, other than Lyle being American, you may be trying to teach your Granny to suck eggs.

Fuck off. He just said I couldn't read. I have read and know the subject well. I will speak of what I know. Arrogance is presuming others cannot read, but you missed that.

Being a cock as always, our Beanz.

Not really if you took notice of anyone but yourself you might have noticed that Lyle revealed something recently that makes your accusation ridiculous.

That he is married to a native indian?

I don't see how that repeals history.

It might explain him being better informed than you though. I know you think that is an unthinkable concept, and that you are the most well read man on earth, but maybe, just maybe, you could leave the lecturing in the classroom for once and try learning something from somebody else.

[Gandalf]

Lyle, this is me. Can I read? I work half a year, I read more than most. David Stannard's work documents the genocides as well as any other.

My advice is more simple than yours. Try reading a book and learn something about your country. Humility will help you grow.

That comes across as incredibly arrogant of you Miles. When did Lyle lecture you on the history of your wife's country? Have a little think about why, other than Lyle being American, you may be trying to teach your Granny to suck eggs.

Fuck off. He just said I couldn't read. I have read and know the subject well. I will speak of what I know. Arrogance is presuming others cannot read, but you missed that.

Being a cock as always, our Beanz.

Not really if you took notice of anyone but yourself you might have noticed that Lyle revealed something recently that makes your accusation ridiculous.

That he is married to a native indian?

I don't see how that repeals history.

It might explain him being better informed than you though. I know you think that is an unthinkable concept, and that you are the most well read man on earth, but maybe, just maybe, you could leave the lecturing in the classroom for once and try learning something from somebody else.

So my wife automatically knows more about the Korean war than I do? Interesting considering I have studied it and most here do not. You are reaching. Did Lyle's wife live through the 1600's. No, of course not.

[TitoFan]

Biased history books are a thing of the past, with the wealth of information now available to everyone. Still.... the same books, articles, essays, etc that are read by someone who's American are available to someone who isn't. Hence, my tongue-in-cheek comment awhile back.

Miles' claim of genocide over the Indians may be a bit overdramatic, but Lyle's only too quick to counteract the argument with his own claims. Neither of them were there, so as usual with these history arguments, it depends on which side you want to win.

[El Kabong]

That he is married to a native indian?

I don't see how that repeals history.

....and also that happened a lot in history too, the "interracial relationships" between white devils and Indians.

But yes my wife is Indian, no it doesn't "repeal" history .....but it also doesn't mean your version of history is correct.


Were there atrocities in those times? Yes, and they were on BOTH SIDES! Sorry to break that to you. If the Aztecs could have defeated the Conquistadores and kept the land to themselves they certainly would have done so, and they certainly would have kept raping and pillaging the other smaller tribes around.

That makes no sense, but being British or American, how could you know any other way? I reject all of that and I know what is right. I will never defend a power control system for the sake of it.

You're defending the Aztecs.....they were a power control system.....soooo yeah, you kinda would and are doing that.




Winner Lyle


Loser miles

[Gandalf]

I do not lose. If you want to lose then say something.

[Gandalf]

Oooh, my wife is Korean so that makes it all okay. Does it fuck! I want to .....die. I don't care anymore....bye bye.