Where does Ali rank P4P?

**Yuzo** · 01-04-2016 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by VG_Addict

I've seen people rank Ali in the top 5 P4P, and I have to ask why. Is it because of his resume? Because, he got away with a lot of fundamental mistakes due to his speed, especially for a HW.

what mistakes are these? was it carrying his hands down by his waist, like gene tunney? or was it pulling straight back, like floyd mayweather? what mistakes are you talking about?

**beenKOed** · 01-04-2016 10:08 PM

If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.

**Master** · 01-05-2016 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by beenKOed

If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.

Only top 15! Give me your list.

**beenKOed** · 01-05-2016 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Master

Originally Posted by beenKOed

If you are a fan who can't live without a ranking system, ATG makes more sense to me. I can see Ali ranking in the top 15 on a heavyweight ATG list. The thing about Ali is that he was much bigger outside of boxing and that affects where many fans would rank him on any list.

Only top 15! Give me your list.

You'll have to pay to see it, PPV and I are going to ring you dry, you danged skin-fling.

**johnsebastianmiran** · 01-09-2016 03:47 AM

I liked both Ali and Robinson and when I was growing up I watched Ali as he surprisingly whipped Sonny Liston. Sonny was not a flashy fighter he was good but took too long to get a title shot and who knew how old he really was. Along came Ali with a fast mouth and this is important, a large ego. The bigger the ego the more driven when challenged. All the ATG's had egos but few worked well on you psychologically. Sonny Liston did text book boxing and won correctly and his ego was comprised of being tough as Ali's was anything you can do will never compare to me and he taunted them into a frenzy they could not recover from. George Foreman was strong and driven he was more man according to him. For Dempsey his enemy was his ego and the fact that he hated neutral corners but boxing was going through a change and he was not mentally prepared for what became know as "The long count.". It is easy to be tough when you are standing behind the referee waiting for someone to get up but if they got up and won then someone's ego would suffer greatly. Jack Johnson was proud of being black and pissed off the bigots of his time but with the evolution of boxing his style would be obsolete in this era but all time greats were good in their time but crossing the time line I would not venture to put them on a pound for pound list today. Foreman came back to erase an error, losing the title he ferociously loved. IamInuit put it in properer perspective when he mentioned guys I felt like Manny and Floyd that moved up created a smoke screen I believe with catch weights. They were not made like Armstrong who won with heart mind and body beating a bigger man with his own natural weight no catch weights. Ali and Tyson Fury used the same methods except for the costumes but both destroyed egos and Ali is the All time great that won contests of nerves and ego. Everything else is open for dissection. It's all in the head and here is where winning and losing begins or ends. Ali, headache or all time great P4p?