Sam Peter-James Toney September 2nd!

[Bx730NY]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

I totally agree,

I feel that if Toney had even half the money offered from Wlad's camp that he would take it, if it meant getting a world title...I think Toney is flat out scared of Wlad(Even though Toney takes alot of fights), I just cant see the math for his exscuse here...

Sure Peter might sound like an easy fight for Toney, I think he is wrong to underestimate this kid....

I think Toney is telling the truth. Peter brings more money to the table because quite frankly Peter is more exciting crowd pleasing fighter, He puts more a$$es in seats, and its a better fight for the fans . Both Toney and Peter fight in the pocket. . ,its a more competitive match-up . People are sick of the 12 round hug Fests. Wlad need to fight someone his own height like that 7"2 Valv fellow. Let him punch and grab on that big SOB. That's the way i see it anyway.

Congrats on winning a title Lords.

[Lords Gym]

I don't have the numbers for the Peter fight but when I had the oppurtunity to speak to Toney when I was in Vegas covering Fatstilo/Corrales 3 and he said that Wlad's folks weren't offering enough money . Apparently Peter's ppl are .

Not that I'm doubting you...because I'm not...I'm doubting Toney.

#1: It's the easier fight to take.
#2: Wlad would kill him...& he knows it.
#3: I don't buy that Wlad's people would offer less than Peter's...I just don't...sounds like a great story for JFAT to sell in place of a bit of fear.

Stylistically , Peter has a style that Toney can beat if he comes in the type of shape he was for Holyfield . Wlad is a nightmare for anyone with his size and power . I think James knows that .

Agreed. 100%.

Wlad being the nightmare & Toney knowing it being the reason that I believe he jumped all of the Peter (heh heh heh...jumped all over the Peter) fight instead of going after Wlad.

I totally agree,

I feel that if Toney had even half the money offered from Wlad's camp that he would take it, if it meant getting a world title...I think Toney is flat out scared of Wlad(Even though Toney takes alot of fights), I just cant see the math for his exscuse here...

Sure Peter might sound like an easy fight for Toney, I think he is wrong to underestimate this kid....

I think Toney is telling the truth. Peter brings more money to the table because quite frankly Peter is more exciting crowd pleasing fighter, He puts more a$$es in seats, and its a better fight for the fans . Both Toney and Peter fight in the pocket. . ,its a more competitive match-up . People are sick of the 12 round hug Fests. Wlad need to fight someone his own height like that 7"2 Valv fellow. Let him punch and grab on that big SOB. That's the way i see it anyway.

Congrats on winning a title Lords.

Y Thank you ! Thanks for reading my posts .

[mucho testosterone]

I knew that he would do this....I knew that he would talk about the possibility of fighting Wlad so it looks like he's not scared, and then find another reason to fight someone else.


There is a belt at steak here for sakes. He's turning down a title fight, which will more than likely bring more money, to fight Peter??

It has nothing to do with money...It has everything to do with Toney wanting nothing to do with Wlad.


I'm afraid that if Toney stepped in the ring with Wlad there would be no hugging.....just pounding...James would never get through the jab to be effective.

This would be the very definition of target practice for Wlad. AND trust me...if Wlad contacts Toney half as many times as Rahman did, his corner will have to scoop him up off of the floor.

Your probably right about Wlad beating up on Toney if that fight were to happen . 6"7 250 vs. 5"9 217 not a good match-up for the 5"9 guy , unless he is a huge puncher like Tua , which Toney is not. Peter- Toney is a better and more competitive fight, As for it not being a title fight who cares ? the IBF sanctioning fees for the fight with Wlad aren’t worth it, cause the belts are meaningless anyway. Its smart business for Toney. Off the subject did you know John Ruiz is still the number #1 Contender in the WBA . he lost too Roy Jones, Toney, and Valv, and Holyfield if you ask me. unbefukinleavable .. How do we get rid of this guy ?

CC for you my friend,

Even though I don't agree with you 100% about JToney's motives, you are probably one of the best guys on here to debate with simply because you don't get into heated debates.....you seem to come across as laid back and having fun with all of it which is what it's all about!

I on the other hand have to live up to my name.....so heated debates are often part of the game for me.

Anyways...


How do you get rid of John Ruiz you ask??

[Lords Gym]

I knew that he would do this....I knew that he would talk about the possibility of fighting Wlad so it looks like he's not scared, and then find another reason to fight someone else.


There is a belt at steak here for sakes. He's turning down a title fight, which will more than likely bring more money, to fight Peter??

It has nothing to do with money...It has everything to do with Toney wanting nothing to do with Wlad.


I'm afraid that if Toney stepped in the ring with Wlad there would be no hugging.....just pounding...James would never get through the jab to be effective.

This would be the very definition of target practice for Wlad. AND trust me...if Wlad contacts Toney half as many times as Rahman did, his corner will have to scoop him up off of the floor.

Your probably right about Wlad beating up on Toney if that fight were to happen . 6"7 250 vs. 5"9 217 not a good match-up for the 5"9 guy , unless he is a huge puncher like Tua , which Toney is not. Peter- Toney is a better and more competitive fight, As for it not being a title fight who cares ? the IBF sanctioning fees for the fight with Wlad aren’t worth it, cause the belts are meaningless anyway. Its smart business for Toney. Off the subject did you know John Ruiz is still the number #1 Contender in the WBA . he lost too Roy Jones, Toney, and Valv, and Holyfield if you ask me. unbefukinleavable .. How do we get rid of this guy ?

CC for you my friend,

Even though I don't agree with you 100% about JToney's motives, you are probably one of the best guys on here to debate with simply because you don't get into heated debates.....you seem to come across as laid back and having fun with all of it which is what it's all about!

I on the other hand have to live up to my name.....so heated debates are often part of the game for me.

Anyways...


How do you get rid of John Ruiz you ask??

I appreciate that brother CC back !

[ender]

I knew that he would do this....I knew that he would talk about the possibility of fighting Wlad so it looks like he's not scared, and then find another reason to fight someone else.


There is a belt at steak here for sakes. He's turning down a title fight, which will more than likely bring more money, to fight Peter??

It has nothing to do with money...It has everything to do with Toney wanting nothing to do with Wlad.


I'm afraid that if Toney stepped in the ring with Wlad there would be no hugging.....just pounding...James would never get through the jab to be effective.

This would be the very definition of target practice for Wlad. AND trust me...if Wlad contacts Toney half as many times as Rahman did, his corner will have to scoop him up off of the floor.

It's all about positioning , this fight. It is a WBC title eliminator . Toney thinks he can box circles around Peter and get another shot at Rahman after his mando vs. Maskaev ( don't know if you guys read my article on DHB about Castillo/Corrales but I saw both guys at the media dinner and Rahman is out of shape as usual . MAskaev looked fighting trim ) . Should he beat both Peter and Rahman , a Wlad vs. Toney fight becomes an event rather a name for Wlad to feed on. It becomes more than a fight fans' fight . It becomes a much bigger money fight for Toney to retire on . Make no mistake , at any point that Wlad fights Toney , Wlad retires him .

[Pugilistic]

really i dont care . i cant stand james toney

[1st rd ko]

Id like to see JFAT beat Peter , then beat Oleg , then lose to Nick , then Nick vs. Wlad for all the belts. Wlad wins and "perhaps" the HW division will have some respect. But with Don " " King in the picture this will never happen.

[Bx730NY]

I think an in shape and more polished Peter is the only guuy out there that can clean out the HW division. Maybe Wlad if he can learn to defend himself better w/o holding like a lil bi***.

[Wacko3205]

Anyways...


How do you get rid of John Ruiz you ask??

Here's the thing I always wondered...how come they say that a coachroach could survive a nuclear holocaust...but not a shot of RAID?

I don't get it?

[mucho testosterone]

Anyways...


How do you get rid of John Ruiz you ask??

Here's the thing I always wondered...how come they say that a coachroach could survive a nuclear holocaust...but not a shot of RAID?

I don't get it?

i don't know the answer to this one wacky amigo........ so I will guess:

I think it's becasue Raid directly attacks their nervous system and people spray Raid directly on the cockroach.

One thing I know for sure is that the cockroach can survive in the heavyweight division, an even hold a title for around five years on average. Then around that time.....a giant sasquatch will usually come out and squish the cockroach.

[JT Rock]

Here is the deal IMO I think if Toney comes in at the Same shape that he did against Evander Holyfield then he will give any of the current Title Holders a Hard time...Not to mention He will Take Sam Peter to School

Looking at the Pic I think you all agree thats the James Toney we need to see

[Bx730NY]

A good match-up between two extremely overweight fighters and also overrated fighters.

By the way, why are black people always so very fat? 9 out of 10 afro girls in the USA are labelled as fat by medicine? Why? What is wrong with black people? They do they not educate, they are criminal and they do give birth to children just like in rural Africa - do they never learn to behave in a civilised society? The highest death risk for a black man under 30 is gun-shot….

Asian immigrants has been in American less than half of time of black people but they are already integrated and do well in a civilized society. I just never understand why black people is doing badly everywhere in the world.

What the hell was all that extra sH** about?

[TyBuff]

It is true, do you not beleive the figures? I could link if not.

Hey Royal your first SC under your new name for all of the racial crap. It wasnt even part of the conversation you racist!!!

[Bx730NY]

It is true, do you not beleive the figures? I could link if not.

Hey Royal your first SC under your new name for all of the racial crap. It wasnt even part of the conversation you racist!!!

For real man. That has absolutely nothing to do with boxing and sounds very racist to me as well.

[BoxingGorilla]

Here is the deal IMO I think if Toney comes in at the Same shape that he did against Evander Holyfield then he will give any of the current Title Holders a Hard time...Not to mention He will Take Sam Peter to School

Looking at the Pic I think you all agree thats the James Toney we need to see

I agree. However, the only way Toney looks this trim on September 2nd is if he enters the ring via time machine.