HERO= Ali..........Dr Martin Luther King Jr, Malcolm X, Abe Lincoln

[raleights]

more the reason to keep on with it!

[raleights]

I've heard consistency is key in life, well I'm making an effort

[El Kabong]

you're great at being an asshole

bye everyone, I'll be leaving the site now.


you have all the fun you want to raleights....you win.

[Big_Deuce]

George Bush is the biggest war criminal in the world, period.

I respect alot of your views in boxing, but in politics, bilbo... bud, your a joke, sorry.

Going into war with Iraq was payback? please, sorry bilbo, but searching boxrec.com wont get you any facts for this convo.
USA, along with MANY of its allies, all recieved the same report from UN INSPECTORS in 1998 saying that saddam hussien had the capabilities to launch long range missiles to reach all over europe. also UN inspectors found labs where remnants of anthrax, and other chemical agents were found present.

And to correct you,
SADDAM hussien DID have the capabilities to launch missiles to the UK and other parts of the world. THAT WAS FOUND (but because there werent any warheads on them, they were NOT considered WMD) Saddam Hussien DID break the "UNSCR 687" -that was established in 3 April 1991 which caused the ceasefire in the gulf war. This agreement was formed for IRAQ to disarm and demolish anytype of Ballistics Missiles. And in 1998 (under the clinton admin) saddam hussien said that he did still have a stockpile of Ballistic missiles, and when asked if UN inspectors could go investigate the condition of these missiles, they were told bluntly "NO".

It all comes down to one thing.
United States of America, Police the world. And they are hated for it.
They're Damned if they do, and Shitted on if they Dont.
I wonder what would happen, if saddam hussien did send acouple of ballistics into the UK. I wonder who would of been to blame....
Ya, u know it.

(oh and a side note, The UN is The biggest joke in the world, the majority vote in the UN was against the war in Iraq, WHY? CAN YOU SAY OIL FOR FOOD SCANDAL!)

[Kev]

aww Lyle sad clicked me

I did too

Damm Karma won't let me, ah well means I obviously got you earlier on!

Sok, when you say things such as Bernard beating Maskaev is a bigger accomplishment than Joe Calzaghe no one takes you seriously

Well you believing the opposite just shows your complete ignorance boxing history.

Calzaghe has two maybe three fights left. If he fought Hopkins and lost his reputation would be irreperably diminished, the same way Lacy's was after Calzaghe beat him. Now everyone agrees that Lacy just wasn't that good and not the elite fighter many made him out to be.

If Hopkins beat Calzaghe well guess what people would say, 'Well Joe just wasn't that great, he was over protected and had one amazing win against an average fighter in Lacy.

So I stand 100% behind my statement, beating Calzaghe does nothing for Hopkins legacy right now.

Now if for example Calzaghe beat Kessler, then beat Jermain Taylor then I would agree, big fight for B Hop, kudos if he wins but right now beating Calzaghe wouldn't enhance his legacy one bit.


Maskaev on the other hand is massive for his legacy as he holds a heavyweight crown. If Hopkins wins, he achieves a feat that no other fighter in history has managed. Yes Jones won the heavyweight crown but he wasnt a true middleweight like Hopkins who reigned as undisputed champ for 10 years.

And by the way, in 20 years time Jones Jr's biggest acomplishment will be his heavyweight crown.

The opponent is irrelevent when considering historical impact.

As you are probably about 18 and have never read a book in your life I wouldn't expect you to be able to undestand concepts as complex as history but the fact is that what matters overall is not the fickle fans opinion of a fighter labelled as great for 15 minutes only for him to be exposed in his next fight but true acheivements that will have lasting historical significance.

Hopkins is 42 and has been in the fight game longer than any other currently top active fighter. He's also a keen boxing historian and is entirely aware of the importance boxing legacies especially his own.

He knows that a winning a heavyweight title would when the history books are written for current era, see him instilled as one of the all time greats of boixng.

You on the other hand are a moron. A young, childish imbecile who thinks every fighter should base their career on trying to fight the )largely uneducated) popular masses idea of the best opponent for that month.

The ironic thing is though that those of you who are clamouring for Hopkins to fight Calzaghe now would be the very same people who said that Calzaghe obviously was overhyped if Hopkins did beat him.

You and your kind are dimwitted moronic fools whose fickle opinions not only have no sane judgement behind them but are also weakly held convictions that toss and turn like flotsam on the beach on a stormy night.

[Kev]

George Bush is the biggest war criminal in the world, period.

I respect alot of your views in boxing, but in politics, bilbo... bud, your a joke, sorry.

Going into war with Iraq was payback? please, sorry bilbo, but searching boxrec.com wont get you any facts for this convo.
USA, along with MANY of its allies, all recieved the same report from UN INSPECTORS in 1998 saying that saddam hussien had the capabilities to launch long range missiles to reach all over europe. also UN inspectors found labs where remnants of anthrax, and other chemical agents were found present.

And to correct you,
SADDAM hussien DID have the capabilities to launch missiles to the UK and other parts of the world. THAT WAS FOUND (but because there werent any warheads on them, they were NOT considered WMD) Saddam Hussien DID break the "UNSCR 687" -that was established in 3 April 1991 which caused the ceasefire in the gulf war. This agreement was formed for IRAQ to disarm and demolish anytype of Ballistics Missiles. And in 1998 (under the clinton admin) saddam hussien said that he did still have a stockpile of Ballistic missiles, and when asked if UN inspectors could go investigate the condition of these missiles, they were told bluntly "NO".

It all comes down to one thing.
United States of America, Police the world. And they are hated for it.
They're Damned if they do, and Shitted on if they Dont.
I wonder what would happen, if saddam hussien did send acouple of ballistics into the UK. I wonder who would of been to blame....
Ya, u know it.

(oh and a side note, The UN is The biggest joke in the world, the majority vote in the UN was against the war in Iraq, WHY? CAN YOU SAY OIL FOR FOOD SCANDAL!)

I'll be honest mate my knowledge of Iraq comes mostly from Michael Moore and reading the tabloids.

I'm sure some of what you say has merit but I'm convinced that any reason for engagement with Iraq came about largely to serve America's self interest.

If they cared so much about social justice they would have forced out Mugabi years ago. I'm not clear on all the actual reasons but I'm sure that unless they stood to gain a lot from it then America wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

But you know more than I do in this topic so I dont want to get into a debate with you on the subject.

Oh and for respecting my boxing opinions buddy. I feel the same regard for you

[raleights]

aww Lyle sad clicked me

I did too

Damm Karma won't let me, ah well means I obviously got you earlier on!

Sok, when you say things such as Bernard beating Maskaev is a bigger accomplishment than Joe Calzaghe no one takes you seriously

Well you believing the opposite just shows your complete ignorance boxing history.

Calzaghe has two maybe three fights left. If he fought Hopkins and lost his reputation would be irreperably diminished, the same way Lacy's was after Calzaghe beat him. Now everyone agrees that Lacy just wasn't that good and not the elite fighter many made him out to be.

If Hopkins beat Calzaghe well guess what people would say, 'Well Joe just wasn't that great, he was over protected and had one amazing win against an average fighter in Lacy.

So I stand 100% behind my statement, beating Calzaghe does nothing for Hopkins legacy right now.

Now if for example Calzaghe beat Kessler, then beat Jermain Taylor then I would agree, big fight for B Hop, kudos if he wins but right now beating Calzaghe wouldn't enhance his legacy one bit.


Maskaev on the other hand is massive for his legacy as he holds a heavyweight crown. If Hopkins wins, he achieves a feat that no other fighter in history has managed. Yes Jones won the heavyweight crown but he wasnt a true middleweight like Hopkins who reigned as undisputed champ for 10 years.

And by the way, in 20 years time Jones Jr's biggest acomplishment will be his heavyweight crown.

The opponent is irrelevent when considering historical impact.

As you are probably about 18 and have never read a book in your life I wouldn't expect you to be able to undestand concepts as complex as history but the fact is that what matters overall is not the fickle fans opinion of a fighter labelled as great for 15 minutes only for him to be exposed in his next fight but true acheivements that will have lasting historical significance.

Hopkins is 42 and has been in the fight game longer than any other currently top active fighter. He's also a keen boxing historian and is entirely aware of the importance boxing legacies especially his own.

He knows that a winning a heavyweight title would when the history books are written for current era, see him instilled as one of the all time greats of boixng.

You on the other hand are a moron. A young, childish imbecile who thinks every fighter should base their career on trying to fight the )largely uneducated) popular masses idea of the best opponent for that month.

The ironic thing is though that those of you who are clamouring for Hopkins to fight Calzaghe now would be the very same people who said that Calzaghe obviously was overhyped if Hopkins did beat him.

You and your kind are dimwitted moronic fools whose fickle opinions not only have no sane judgement behind them but are also weakly held convictions that toss and turn like flotsam on the beach on a stormy night.

Lol the fact that you would go to the extent of writing and putting this much energy into a post over a joke says volumes about who I'm dealing with.

The first thing you should consider is getting a sense of humor - I know it'll be hard seeing as you're a very dry character but if I can do it so can you. The other thing you should devote some time to is how you make vague generalizations about people who rarely express their views and opinions (as I don't see the point of shoving my way of thinking down other peoples throats - have always wondered why you put so much emphasis on that).

Historically you're right I could give a S***. For me personally it's hard to think of Roy Jones without his defeating James Toney and Bernard Hopkins (2 elite fighters), but then again thats just me... I understand you dig the novelty of Hopkins fighting a heavyweight but quit showing your ignorance and admit that it's just novelty. We're not talking about someone who tactically can match Bernard, we're talking about a guy who's a little bit bigger in size no more no less.

How did you ever come to the conclusion that someone like Joe Calzaghe who could be to Bernard what Hagler is to Hearns or what Leonard is to Duran means absolute dog shat compared to Oleg Maskaev? Forgive me if I can't comprehend your mindset, and I've honestly tried but I just don't see what you're seeing. So maybe try this (since I have)..... Try to look at it from another point of view instead of walking around with the impression that ya know everything

[raleights]

This basically comes down to you and me seeing Joe in entirely different ways

I've been praising Joe for a long time (long before Lacy long before Byron Mitchell), so if you don't see him to be Bernard's match the views you're expressing have validity. But I (and a lot of other people) see it differently, so realize the difference brother

[El Kabong]

cunt

[El Kabong]

.....oh I'm sorry, did I post that

sorry raleights but I guess it's out now....you're a cunt

[Kev]

aww Lyle sad clicked me

I did too

Damm Karma won't let me, ah well means I obviously got you earlier on!

Sok, when you say things such as Bernard beating Maskaev is a bigger accomplishment than Joe Calzaghe no one takes you seriously

Well you believing the opposite just shows your complete ignorance boxing history.

Calzaghe has two maybe three fights left. If he fought Hopkins and lost his reputation would be irreperably diminished, the same way Lacy's was after Calzaghe beat him. Now everyone agrees that Lacy just wasn't that good and not the elite fighter many made him out to be.

If Hopkins beat Calzaghe well guess what people would say, 'Well Joe just wasn't that great, he was over protected and had one amazing win against an average fighter in Lacy.

So I stand 100% behind my statement, beating Calzaghe does nothing for Hopkins legacy right now.

Now if for example Calzaghe beat Kessler, then beat Jermain Taylor then I would agree, big fight for B Hop, kudos if he wins but right now beating Calzaghe wouldn't enhance his legacy one bit.


Maskaev on the other hand is massive for his legacy as he holds a heavyweight crown. If Hopkins wins, he achieves a feat that no other fighter in history has managed. Yes Jones won the heavyweight crown but he wasnt a true middleweight like Hopkins who reigned as undisputed champ for 10 years.

And by the way, in 20 years time Jones Jr's biggest acomplishment will be his heavyweight crown.

The opponent is irrelevent when considering historical impact.

As you are probably about 18 and have never read a book in your life I wouldn't expect you to be able to undestand concepts as complex as history but the fact is that what matters overall is not the fickle fans opinion of a fighter labelled as great for 15 minutes only for him to be exposed in his next fight but true acheivements that will have lasting historical significance.

Hopkins is 42 and has been in the fight game longer than any other currently top active fighter. He's also a keen boxing historian and is entirely aware of the importance boxing legacies especially his own.

He knows that a winning a heavyweight title would when the history books are written for current era, see him instilled as one of the all time greats of boixng.

You on the other hand are a moron. A young, childish imbecile who thinks every fighter should base their career on trying to fight the )largely uneducated) popular masses idea of the best opponent for that month.

The ironic thing is though that those of you who are clamouring for Hopkins to fight Calzaghe now would be the very same people who said that Calzaghe obviously was overhyped if Hopkins did beat him.

You and your kind are dimwitted moronic fools whose fickle opinions not only have no sane judgement behind them but are also weakly held convictions that toss and turn like flotsam on the beach on a stormy night.

Lol the fact that you would go to the extent of writing and putting this much energy into a post over a joke says volumes about who I'm dealing with.

The first thing you should consider is getting a sense of humor - I know it'll be hard seeing as you're a very dry character but if I can do it so can you. The other thing you should devote some time to is how you make vague generalizations about people who rarely express their views and opinions (as I don't see the point of shoving my way of thinking down other peoples throats - have always wondered why you put so much emphasis on that).

Historically you're right I could give a S***. For me personally it's hard to think of Roy Jones without his defeating James Toney and Bernard Hopkins (2 elite fighters), but then again thats just me... I understand you dig the novelty of Hopkins fighting a heavyweight but quit showing your ignorance and admit that it's just novelty. We're not talking about someone who tactically can match Bernard, we're talking about a guy who's a little bit bigger in size no more no less.

How did you ever come to the conclusion that someone like Joe Calzaghe who could be to Bernard what Hagler is to Hearns or what Leonard is to Duran means absolute dog shat compared to Oleg Maskaev? Forgive me if I can't comprehend your mindset, and I've honestly tried but I just don't see what you're seeing. So maybe try this (since I have)..... Try to think of it from another point of view instead of walking around with the impression that ya know everything

You know what I'll give you a reluctant for a great comeback.

You are right, I do tend to be quite dogmatic on my views but then it's tough always being in the right whilst much of the world is in ignorance.

[raleights]

Well me and Lyle can't help but be ignorant

We're both from around this region... and you know how they breed us down here


No hard feelings though, just different point of views - CC back atcha

[El Kabong]

I'm not from Texas

[raleights]

southern ignorance is southern ignorance

[El Kabong]

I could understand if you were just ignorant but you're an asshole....no true southerner is an asshole like you