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    Default Re: Marvin Hagler's chin. How would it hold up to Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
    I am not sure Hagler was aging and slow with Hearns. I think that was his last fight where he was sharp and active in boxing. After that he seemed to lose a step by taking a year off. He seemed to lose some motivation after Hearns as though he reached the pinnacle and put his all in the Hearns fight. But he was not that slow with Hearns. He seemed fast enough and pretty good reflexes. With Mugabi after a year off he seemed more slow and then with Leonard he seemed even slower. I think Hearns was the last fight he was the real Marvin Hagler.
    to be honest mate i think he done brilliant in the mugabi fight





    He took some HARD punchs in that fight...I mean HARD.....Then again at hat time everything Mugabi threw was hard......Haglers chin sttod solid.....He took Mugabi's heart...John was not used to teeing off like that then have a guy come back at him.....Marvin is definatly a genuine Legend who was class all around.....Top two or 3 middleweight ever.....One of my all time favorites....Even if he did KO my #1 of all time Thomas Hearns





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    Default Re: Marvin Hagler's chin. How would it hold up to Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn.

    I honestly think Marvin's chin would stand up just fine to them two and he would stop them both.

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    Default Re: Marvin Hagler's chin. How would it hold up to Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn.

    I just want to reply to this again because i know more boxing, than i did in 2006. Julian Jackson is the hardest 1 punch KO artist i've ever seen, he even had Mike McCallum wobbling in the 1st round of there fight, and i've never seen Mike McCallum hurt like that, and his chin was up there with Marvin Hagler.

    I can see the fight going pretty much the sameway as that, with Marvin Hagler maybe being knocked down early or being badly stunned early. But he weathers the onslaught and comesback to stop Julian Jackson in the middle rounds.

    Nigel Benn doesn't hit as hard as Julian Jackson IMO, although he did have some impressive wins over fighters with good chins like Doug DeWitt, Robbie Simms. But he was just as vunerable as Julian Jackson, although IMO he does have a better chin than Julian Jackson.

    But i can't see him being much more effective than Julian Jackson, he would stun Marvin Hagler early. But his chin would give out and he would be stopped round about the 7th round.

    John Mugabi is very overrated he may of hit hard but who did he ever stop worth mentioning ? and what was his best win ? i don't think your find any good names he beat at all. His record was inflated with nobodies, and he made his name giving a good effort against Marvin Hagler. Other than that everytime he stepped up he was blown away.

    And i don't think Thomas Hearns hit as hard as Nigel Benn/Julian Jackson at Middleweight. Im not saying he didn't hit hard of course he did, what he done to James Shuler was frightening, but just for overall punching power Nigel Benn/Julian Jackson hit harder.

    Lastly i'd just like to say Marvin Hagler was a better boxer than people give him credit for. The way he boxed against Bennie Briscoe, Eugene Hart, Vito Antuofermo 1, was just damn impressive. And his handspeed was pretty good aswell, he fought on the backfoot for majority of these fights, and he boxed very well on the backfoot.
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    To answer the original question .. I believe his chin would have held up to be as solid as it always was against these two...& I cant see it being any other way..

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    Default Re: Marvin Hagler's chin. How would it hold up to Julian Jackson or Nigel Benn.

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
    I just want to reply to this again because i know more boxing, than i did in 2006. Julian Jackson is the hardest 1 punch KO artist i've ever seen, he even had Mike McCallum wobbling in the 1st round of there fight, and i've never seen Mike McCallum hurt like that, and his chin was up there with Marvin Hagler.

    I can see the fight going pretty much the sameway as that, with Marvin Hagler maybe being knocked down early or being badly stunned early. But he weathers the onslaught and comesback to stop Julian Jackson in the middle rounds.

    Nigel Benn doesn't hit as hard as Julian Jackson IMO, although he did have some impressive wins over fighters with good chins like Doug DeWitt, Robbie Simms. But he was just as vunerable as Julian Jackson, although IMO he does have a better chin than Julian Jackson.

    But i can't see him being much more effective than Julian Jackson, he would stun Marvin Hagler early. But his chin would give out and he would be stopped round about the 7th round.

    John Mugabi is very overrated he may of hit hard but who did he ever stop worth mentioning ? and what was his best win ? i don't think your find any good names he beat at all. His record was inflated with nobodies, and he made his name giving a good effort against Marvin Hagler. Other than that everytime he stepped up he was blown away.

    And i don't think Thomas Hearns hit as hard as Nigel Benn/Julian Jackson at Middleweight. Im not saying he didn't hit hard of course he did, what he done to James Shuler was frightening, but just for overall punching power Nigel Benn/Julian Jackson hit harder.

    Lastly i'd just like to say Marvin Hagler was a better boxer than people give him credit for. The way he boxed against Bennie Briscoe, Eugene Hart, Vito Antuofermo 1, was just damn impressive. And his handspeed was pretty good aswell, he fought on the backfoot for majority of these fights, and he boxed very well on the backfoot.
    Being able to stun Hagler depends on landing the actual punches and flush with full power. Like you said, be had great boxing skills to add to his unbelievable toughness.

    With regards to the original question, i have no doubt that Marvin would tear both guys a new one. But if you're talking about just ability to take a punch, and you somehow persuade Marv to stand still with his chin out while Julian takes a run up................ well then who knows.

    From the footage I've seen, my opinion is that Julian is the hardest puncher of the lot mentioned. But that's just opionion, and i always find first hand accounts interesting like scrap's. KO ratios don't depend entirely on force (stating the obvious i know) but also where on the trajectory of the punch the power is greatest and manouvering the opponent there, e.g. Tzyu's power seemed to be way more damaging at close to full extension. So the debate has many angles, and the debate depends on what is the main criteria e.g. measured power on a bag or how many opponents unconcsious.

    I remember an interview with Mickey Rourke who said that Hearns was the hardest he was ever hit in sparring, yet when he had one look at Benn warming up he said to himself he ain't ever getting in the ring with that.

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