The Greatest Middleweight Ever?

[Bx730NY]

B-HOP got a boxing lesson from RJJ when he was in his prime. Monzon didn't defend againt the quality of oppositiion that Hagler did.

Bernard was pre prime then
like a wine getting better with age
Peace

Plus Marvin ran from Spinks and carried on beating the little guys.

Bernard thrashed Tarver and is debating a fight at heavyweight.....


Can you really envision Hagler mixing it with the heavies?

Tarver is a quitter in the ring and that wasn't an impressive win IMO. All he did was come in with the right hand and his head down and hold and hit in the back to wear him down.

The only heavy he wants to fight is Maskaev so you do the math on that one.

BTW, he started his career at light heavy so it's not like hes a small guy.

[Taeth]

I'd say Hagler out of that list.

Surely Roy Jones Jr must be on your list?

Roy Jones JR. didnt' stay at the weight to really do anything he was too big for it. If you include super middleweights I say he beats them all.

Hagler destroys Jones at middle or supermiddle IMO, He would terrify Jones!!

Yeah just like he destroyed Leonard who hadn't foughten in three years? Roy JOnes hits harder than Hagler, is way faster than Hagler, and his fight with James Toney should show that though Toney could deal with the fast Nunn he couldn't deal with the speed and power of Roy. People will say what about Hearns, but Hearns had a snaping ko punch, but he didn't have the strength of Roy which changes a punch. Even Emanuel overexagerates all his fighters thought Hearns didn't hit particularly hard, but Roy did at 160 and 168, and he was too fast (especially of reflexes) for Hagler. Nobody has ever countered like Roy.

[dantheman5166]

I think they do - but I think they also realize the original Sugar Ray was a Welterweight - he may have won the Middleweight belt 5 times, but he had to lose to gain it back. Monzon & Hagler didn't lose their belts! SRR is the G.O.T but not the greatest Middleweight imo


well lets see here if you dont think sugar ray robinson would outpoint marvin hagler but ray leonard could then you jus dont know anything about boxing!!!!!!! theres a reason why SRR is the best ever. Thats because he was the best welterweight and probably also the best middleweight ever. Hopkins lost JT who would get crushed by hagler dont 4get monzon although benvenuti was great no where near who Robinson fought. he fought more champs than any1. So again think about it who wins hopkins over SRR wow you dont anything about boxing.Yes he lost his belt a few times but dont 4get he usually fought opponents who were muych bigger than him and knocked a lot of them out. Lets get serious here

[silent assassin]

B-HOP got a boxing lesson from RJJ when he was in his prime. Monzon didn't defend againt the quality of oppositiion that Hagler did.

Bernard was pre prime then
like a wine getting better with age
Peace

Plus Marvin ran from Spinks and carried on beating the little guys.

Bernard thrashed Tarver and is debating a fight at heavyweight.....


Can you really envision Hagler mixing it with the heavies?

Tarver is a quitter in the ring and that wasn't an impressive win IMO. All he did was come in with the right hand and his head down and hold and hit in the back to wear him down.

The only heavy he wants to fight is Maskaev so you do the math on that one.

BTW, he started his career at light heavy so it's not like hes a small guy.

Not that it matters but technically B-Hop had his first fight at cruiserweight (177lbs I think. 2lbs over the lt. heavy limit)

[dantheman5166]

YOur full of S***. No way can Robinson handle Roy JOnes Jr.. Roy is faster, albeit by a sliver, he is way too big, and strong for Robinson. By the time RObinson was big enough to fight at LHW he was an old man and Roy would have beaten that version of Ray pretty easily. Also how is Lamotta one of the best ever? Who did he beat besides RObinson? He finished 83-19(only 30 by ko which means he didn't have that much power). Zivic was the only "big" name besides Robinson he beat. I think heart and him weighing, at the weigh-in, 16 pounds more than RObinson was the reason he won the fight. Also he was the first middleweight Robinson faced, and he was as tough as nails. But could have he handled the guys his own size like Hopkins, Hagler, Monzon, etc.? No way. Also about Greb, whos actually seen him fight? I doubt most of you have. And he didn't fight at middleweight. IF you go on boxrec whenever it shows his weight it was almost always over 160.


Taeth you make me sick. "BIG NAMES" YOUR NUTS. First of all Marcel Cerdan was a GREAT CHAMPION, BOB MURPHY HAD GREAT POWER,TONY JANIRO WAS 80-15 LAMOTTA BEAT THEM ALL. He would have Lost to hopkins and hagler but would have given monzon trouble see 30 kos in 80 wins is deceiving because he wasnt a Knockout puncher he was a slugger he wore you down similiar to juan diaz does today.Still a top 15 middleweight of all time possibly top ten.you think roy jones would beat sugar ray robinson we arent talking past there prime hear sugar was and Roy is now. See If sugar weighs 160 and roy is 175 he still outpoints him hes the best ever man. Roy jones wouldnt even beat Archie moore or any of the other great light heavys in my eyes he is vastly overrated. Yes he was 157 when he fought maxim and almost won. if he didnt pass out he cruises to a decision and dont forget we only fight 12 rounds now. Little things you arent taking into account that makes me realize you arent thinking b4 you write this. Maxim beat floyd Patterson and Jersey joe walcott true heavyweight robinson stood toe to ttoe with a man who was nearly 20 pounds heavier than he was. YOUR ON CRACK HARRY GREB WAS GREAT MY GREAT GRANDFATHER WATCHED HIM LIVE I DIDNT NEED TO SEE HIM FIGHT (259-21) OH I BET THAT SUX TO RIGHT ROT JONES WOULD PROBABLY KNOCK HIM OUT RIGHT GET OUT OF HERE.YES HE WAS TRULY A SUPERMIDDLEWEIGHT JUST LIKE YOUR BOYFRIEND ROY JONES JR. WHO HE WOULD DISMANTLE AT 168 BUT NOT AT LIGHTHEAVY PROBABLY. IN MODERN DAYS HE WOULD PROBABLY CUT TO MIDDLE DUE TO DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASSES BUT YOU PROBABLY DONT KNOW THAT EITHER CUS EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE SAID DOSENT MAKE SENSE SO THERE YA GO.

[taansend]

Ketchal would have KO'd Jones and then fight another 25 guys before lunch (pork and beans)

[undefeated]

hopkins is---20 title defenses, lost his first fight as a light heavy, and didnt loose again till he fought roy jones. hopkins did loose 2 taylor 2x--however the first fight should have been a draw. hes a smart fighter,has a chin. hell find out your weakness, expose u, then execute. the only way 2 beat hopkins is 2 have no flaws yourself.

[overhandright]

Of the three, I've got to go with the Marvelous One. Monzon would fall in second and Hopkins third. Hopkins loses some ground after losing twice to Taylor to end his reign at Middleweight, though he does deserve props for beating Tarver that is another division all together.

[Brockton Bomber]

Looking at career accomplishment at middleweight, you've gotta have Monzon, Hagler and Hopkins at the front, then you have guys that were better (SRL, SRR, Hearns, Duran) who just passed thru the division.

But if you want to know who the most unstoppable MW was prime for prime, look no further than the G-Man.

[the phenom]

i think hopkins desercves to be considred cuz his loss to jones doesnt really matter cuz jones didnt stay at middleweight, jones mayb greater in overall legacy but not in middleweight, hopkins is up there it between him and hagler

[southakron314]

My opionion
1. Harry Greb
2. Brenard Hopkins
3. Marvin Hagler

[X]

Ketchal would have KO'd Jones and then fight another 25 guys before lunch (pork and beans)

It would have been breakfast he was eating, as no doubt he would have been sleeping with Jones' wife

[El Gamo]

hopkins is---20 title defenses, lost his first fight as a light heavy, and didnt loose again till he fought roy jones. hopkins did loose 2 taylor 2x--however the first fight should have been a draw. hes a smart fighter,has a chin. hell find out your weakness, expose u, then execute. the only way 2 beat hopkins is 2 have no flaws yourself.

You're just looking at numbers,you have to dissect the numbers.20 defences but was anyone as good as Hearns? Duran? Also, JT has LOTS of flaws but he beat B Hop. B Hop is a legend but I don't think he is the greatest MW ever.

[Galaxy]

For me it's as follows:

Greb
Robinson
Monzon
Hagler

[Kev]

hopkins is---20 title defenses, lost his first fight as a light heavy, and didnt loose again till he fought roy jones. hopkins did loose 2 taylor 2x--however the first fight should have been a draw. hes a smart fighter,has a chin. hell find out your weakness, expose u, then execute. the only way 2 beat hopkins is 2 have no flaws yourself.

You're just looking at numbers,you have to dissect the numbers.20 defences but was anyone as good as Hearns? Duran? Also, JT has LOTS of flaws but he beat B Hop. B Hop is a legend but I don't think he is the greatest MW ever.

In my opinion Hopkins beats both Hearns and Duran.