Valuev he ain't no joke!

[Big_Deuce]

just stated the facts...as I always do.

No wonder you don't like what I have to say..

LOL

[Violent Demise]

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You must of been a break dancer in your youth Wack. Cuz you dance around questions pretty good. How the hell has he proven he's more than a sideshow? By getting gift wins (Donald, Ruiz)? By fighting smaller guys that put up no fight, what' s so ever (Beck, Etienne)? I consider Barrett (and so do a lot of people) to be a better fighter than McCline. So how's is it that his opposition has been improving? It hasn't. What former champ has he faced? The only difference is that Don King has put him in the publics view. That's it. He's a joke. I expected a lot more out of you Wack. Now that I think about it. No I didn't. Take your (what's becoming a daily thing) sc.

Everyone's smaller compared to him & the man has improved since he started fighting better fighters.

I never danced around any questions...I think I laid that out there pretty clearly for you...but again...as I said...your bitterness blinds you.

You expected more from me. Oh boo-hoo. Thanks for the & I'm glad that I could disappoint you again. You can have your saddy in another 24 hours.

Dance, boy. Dance. What former champions has he faced? How has he improved? How has his competition improved? Dance.

Heh heh heh.

Again...as I said...since you obviously are lacking the understanding of what it means to improve & what it means to fight better opposition...you need to watch his early fights & then watch his fights against the fighters that he has fought recently. That will possibley help you understand how he & his competition has improved.

Former champions that he has faced? Vidoz, Beck, Etienne, Ruiz, Barrett, Donald, & soon enough McCline. Just because you either don't know or refuse to recognize the named fighters doesn't change the fact that they out matched another champ or contender to get their straps & won their championship straps.

Once agian...the fact remains that Valuev has proved to be more than just a side show act & he's also knocked a shitload of men out in the process. Also...once again...he's remained undefeated & he's been dropped & gotten up to pull out the win. I hate to keep repeating myself on this matter...but I'm trying to help you see past your hate.

Once again, anyone who has seen his early fights & the way that he fought knows that he's improved.

Ha, ha, ha. Talk about reaching. Except for Ruiz, what titles did these other guys hold? And please don't give me no bullshit like the USBA championship, WWE championship or BC Youth Cab Driver Championship. Quit embarrassing yourself trying to defend this guy. It's not worth it.

"Some you win. Some you F****** lose" Dutch Schultz from the movie Hoodlum. Learn that line. It'll make your life easier, since you seem to lose a good amount of time.

What's funny is that you use some fictional characters chump ass thug life lines to get your points across.

Okay tuff guy...your bitter ways & ridiculous points have made me have a change of heart. Please.

Unless your blind or just ignorant...Valuev has won fights & he's won them by knockout or decision...like him or not...that's a fact. The thing is...I aint even a fan of the guy...I'm just stating facts & saying that he deserves a chance just like anyone. The fact of the matter is...I have an opinion...& you have yours...you just don't know how to discuss like a grown up & get your points across without coming across as a complete hard ass that can only diss to try & win a discussion that's not really worth winning.

The only one embarrassing themselves is you, son. Now as far as the other titles that the men he beat had? IBA, IBF, WBA, & others I am sure...but I really don't have the time to research that...I just know that all those fighters held titles & he defeated them.

That old tired cliche' about Cab Driver Championships is what you should be embarrassed about. Have fun arguing & dancing with yourself over this one...the fact remains that he's undefeated & has beaten championship level fighters...I did not dancing my friend...just stated the facts...as I always do.

No wonder you don't like what I have to say..

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy ass WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

[Wacko3205]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

[Violent Demise]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

No need to rest my case. You just did for me. Fedelatin Heavyweight Title? What will they think of next? Lord have mercy on this poor guy

[Wacko3205]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

No need to rest my case. You just did for me. Fedelatin Heavyweight Title? What will they think of next? Lord have mercy on this poor guy

A title is a title & a win is a win...no matter where your'e from.

To discredit a title or a fighter just because they are either from or fight from another country...that shows short sightedness.

Have mercy on me.

[Lords Gym]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

Wacko you point out some facts no doubt , but man this division is so fucking weak.... just a crying shame, and watching Valuve is just horrible . He looks amateurish and makes everyone he fight look amateurish.. its ridiculous, it really it is, its just a shame this is where the HW division stands. ! I hope McCline can win this fight and put an end to this kinda Carnival B.S.

[Violent Demise]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

No need to rest my case. You just did for me. Fedelatin Heavyweight Title? What will they think of next? Lord have mercy on this poor guy

A title is a title & a win is a win...no matter where your'e from.

To discredit a title or a fighter just because they are either from or fight from another country...that shows short sightedness.

Have mercy on me.

You still my homie, wack?

[Wacko3205]

Wacko you point out some facts no doubt , but man this division is so F****** weak.... just a crying shame, and watching Valuve is just horrible . He looks amateurish and makes everyone he fight look amateurish.. its ridiculous, it really it is, its just a shame this is where the HW division stands. ! I hope McCline can win this fight and put an end to this kinda Carnival B.S.

Agreed.

Believe you me...I'm not saying that the guy is a world beater...but he is winning & he is trying.

I just say that he's improved & he's fighting better opposition. I don't see him as the savior to the division...but as I said a long time ago...he will bring attention to the sport & it won't be all bad.

If McCline were to win the fight...no big deal...it would be putting off the inevitable...because once he get's in with Wlad...he's done.

[Wacko3205]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

No need to rest my case. You just did for me. Fedelatin Heavyweight Title? What will they think of next? Lord have mercy on this poor guy

A title is a title & a win is a win...no matter where your'e from.

To discredit a title or a fighter just because they are either from or fight from another country...that shows short sightedness.

Have mercy on me.

You still my homie, wack?

Do you even really have to ask that? You should know better than to have to.

[Lords Gym]

Wacko you point out some facts no doubt , but man this division is so F****** weak.... just a crying shame, and watching Valuve is just horrible . He looks amateurish and makes everyone he fight look amateurish.. its ridiculous, it really it is, its just a shame this is where the HW division stands. ! I hope McCline can win this fight and put an end to this kinda Carnival B.S.

Agreed.

Believe you me...I'm not saying that the guy is a world beater...but he is winning & he is trying.

I just say that he's improved & he's fighting better opposition. I don't see him as the savior to the division...but as I said a long time ago...he will bring attention to the sport & it won't be all bad.

If McCline were to win the fight...no big deal...it would be putting off the inevitable...because once he get's in with Wlad...he's done.

CC# 2454 yeah Klit should have a field day with Valuev.. I also think Peter would cash Valuve's check, Juliius Long style. hehe

[Violent Demise]

I'll look it up for you. Except for Ruiz (which he didn't beat) none of the fighters you named held a WBC, WBA, IBF or even a crappy a** WBO title. It's sad you have to lower yourself to straight lying to try (I said try) and make a point. Your right, we are done here. Plus your needed else where. I think they just said "last call". Take it and than go sleep it off. Sober up and than get at me.

You didn't look hard enough.

Barrett vs Jackson = WBC Continental Americas Heavyweight Title

Beck vs Arias = WBA Fedelatin Heavyweight Title
Ruiz = NABF, WBA, & NABA.
Donald = WBA, NABO, & NABC.
Etienne vs Ward = IBA Americas Heavyweight Title

Now...I don't have time or feel like wasting my energy on you over this...but again...facts...points made. Again...the fighters won titles...& that was my point...as I said...I didn't go through their records...but they won titles & Valuev beat them.

As far as all the insults you always like to throw out...I've never understood why you like to get into pissing contests with everyone...but facts are facts...he did defeat them...they were title holders...had I have taken the time to go through the records & sort out the letters of the alphabets...then you'd have some ground to stand on...but I'm sober tonight...& your'e the one who's proving to have weaker legs.

Sit down son...this is getting rather childish. You can have the last word...because in the morning...it's all just wasted breath.

No need to rest my case. You just did for me. Fedelatin Heavyweight Title? What will they think of next? Lord have mercy on this poor guy

A title is a title & a win is a win...no matter where your'e from.

To discredit a title or a fighter just because they are either from or fight from another country...that shows short sightedness.

Have mercy on me.

You still my homie, wack?

Do you even really have to ask that? You should know better than to have to.

You right. What the fuck was I thinking. This double shot of Don Patron is for you

[Wacko3205]

Wacko you point out some facts no doubt , but man this division is so F****** weak.... just a crying shame, and watching Valuve is just horrible . He looks amateurish and makes everyone he fight look amateurish.. its ridiculous, it really it is, its just a shame this is where the HW division stands. ! I hope McCline can win this fight and put an end to this kinda Carnival B.S.

Agreed.

Believe you me...I'm not saying that the guy is a world beater...but he is winning & he is trying.

I just say that he's improved & he's fighting better opposition. I don't see him as the savior to the division...but as I said a long time ago...he will bring attention to the sport & it won't be all bad.

If McCline were to win the fight...no big deal...it would be putting off the inevitable...because once he get's in with Wlad...he's done.

CC# 2454 yeah Klit should have a field day with Valuev.. I also think Peter would cash Valuve's check, Juliius Long style. hehe

You know...I've thought that too...but I wonder if Peter could get Valuev to fight down to his size & to fight his fight?

[Lords Gym]

Wacko you point out some facts no doubt , but man this division is so F****** weak.... just a crying shame, and watching Valuve is just horrible . He looks amateurish and makes everyone he fight look amateurish.. its ridiculous, it really it is, its just a shame this is where the HW division stands. ! I hope McCline can win this fight and put an end to this kinda Carnival B.S.

Agreed.

Believe you me...I'm not saying that the guy is a world beater...but he is winning & he is trying.

I just say that he's improved & he's fighting better opposition. I don't see him as the savior to the division...but as I said a long time ago...he will bring attention to the sport & it won't be all bad.

If McCline were to win the fight...no big deal...it would be putting off the inevitable...because once he get's in with Wlad...he's done.

CC# 2454 yeah Klit should have a field day with Valuev.. I also think Peter would cash Valuve's check, Juliius Long style. hehe

You know...I've thought that too...but I wonder if Peter could get Valuev to fight down to his size & to fight his fight?

I think for being so outrageously tall , Valuev is fairly cooperative in regards to hitability , you can find him . I think someone physically strong like Peter would not allow the tie ups . Peters wild awkward punches should find there mark with good results I would think.? Valuve does not move a lot, and prefers the smaller ring, so he is there to behit. its gonna take a wild swinger with power to get up there and hit that chin.. hehe

[Wacko3205]

Wacko you point out some facts no doubt , but man this division is so F****** weak.... just a crying shame, and watching Valuve is just horrible . He looks amateurish and makes everyone he fight look amateurish.. its ridiculous, it really it is, its just a shame this is where the HW division stands. ! I hope McCline can win this fight and put an end to this kinda Carnival B.S.

Agreed.

Believe you me...I'm not saying that the guy is a world beater...but he is winning & he is trying.

I just say that he's improved & he's fighting better opposition. I don't see him as the savior to the division...but as I said a long time ago...he will bring attention to the sport & it won't be all bad.

If McCline were to win the fight...no big deal...it would be putting off the inevitable...because once he get's in with Wlad...he's done.

CC# 2454 yeah Klit should have a field day with Valuev.. I also think Peter would cash Valuve's check, Juliius Long style. hehe

You know...I've thought that too...but I wonder if Peter could get Valuev to fight down to his size & to fight his fight?

I think for being so outrageously tall , Valuev is fairly cooperative in regards to hitability , you can find him . I think someone physically strong like Peter would not allow the tie ups . Peters wild awkward punches should find there mark with good results I would think.? Valuve does not move a lot, and prefers the smaller ring, so he is there to behit. its gonna take a wild swinger with power to get up there and hit that chin.. hehe

You know...you may be right.

Peter would have to go to the body...but with Valuev's height...that'd be the knees for Peter. Heh heh heh.

See...I think just the opposite though...& I aint trying to be difficult or arguementative. I think that it'll take someone huge...like Wlad or maybe even McCline (or someone with a good jab...like Wlad) to beat Valuev.

I think that Wlad would humiliate him.

If you watch Valuev...he uses his body to more or less smother his opopnent...he doesn't really hug...or even tie up...he just leans on em.

[Lords Gym]

You know...you may be right.

Peter would have to go to the body...but with Valuev's height...that'd be the knees for Peter. Heh heh heh.

See...I think just the opposite though...& I aint trying to be difficult or arguementative. I think that it'll take someone huge...like Wlad or maybe even McCline (or someone with a good jab...like Wlad) to beat Valuev.

I think that Wlad would humiliate him.

If you watch Valuev...he uses his body to more or less smother his opopnent...he doesn't really hug...or even tie up...he just leans on em.

Peter has that looping shot that I feel could hit the Valuev chin , Peter was able to hit Julius long who is 7"1 tall... pretty solid and flush. Peter have a way of extending his punches, and he has a decent reach ... I think he would tax Valuve something fierce maybe in 2 or 3 rounds. .

Let's go back in time and take a look at the long fight just as a referance


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